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General Dog posted:Are Utah and Wazzu and Oregon and Oregon State like, public ivies? No shade at those schools, I really don’t know, but that’s not my connotation. My understanding is that save OSU and ASU the Pac12 schools are all pretty solid. Not amazing top to bottom, but pretty good schools.
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harperdc posted:Right, but it’s difficult because there’s fewer candidates in the same footprint or as logical extensions, and far less precedent of what they value. The Pac-8 existed as it was for ~50 years before adding the Arizona schools in 1978, and then Colorado (a Public Ivy that was more so looking west socially as a school) and Utah (flagship public university of a growing state in the region). This is part of my UC Irvine "joke" (is it a joke when I acknowledge it will never ever happen but think it's a good idea for it to happen). They immediately tick off all the academic boxes and they already are practically a Pac 12 member in Soccer and Baseball which are sports that matter out here at least a bit, and they have a div 1 basketball program that's decent enough that you could probably build it up to eventually competing.. Of course the fact that they've never played football is . . . . a problem . . . . . . . . . . .. . but whatever. Go Anteaters.
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Nov 8, 2022 20:51
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General Dog posted:Are Utah and Wazzu and Oregon and Oregon State like, public ivies? No shade at those schools, I really don’t know, but that’s not my connotation. OSU is a very good school from an academic standpoint. Oregon and Utah are fine academically but both have other priorities at the moment. I think that ASU and WSU are the better comparisons to adding SDSU. Both of those schools aren't necessarily big on academics and are known as party schools in their respective parts of the country. If folks are against SDSU joining because of their reputation, I would imagine it is because of WSU and ASU setting the bar.
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I wish Hoover Dam was here to write 20 paragraphs at you about why ASU is actually a good academic school just because I miss that weirdo.
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Nov 8, 2022 20:53
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-should-the-big-ten-expand-next-we-crunched-the-numbers/amp/ Five thirty eight did a good article on this sort of question for the Big 10 specifically
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Nov 8, 2022 21:12
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I think of it like the circle of friends you keep. You're all different, but there's more commonalities than differences. If you're a group of ten Frasier Cranes, you're looking a Niles or, at worst, a Cam Winston. Bulldog is not what you want. Universities are the same. Like the Big Ten tend to be massive research universities in engineering, ag, and the hard sciences with enormous undergraduate bodies. Pitt, for example, is a pretty good fit there. Virginia Tech too. Those guys are like the kind of guy you want to hang out with. UPenn and Princeton? Uh, probably not. They're cool and all, but they're in a different crowd.
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Nov 8, 2022 21:55
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Some conferences have academic connections as well that go into things like sharing research. Here is one example, The Big 10 Cancer Research Consortium.
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General Dog posted:Are Utah and Wazzu and Oregon and Oregon State like, public ivies? No shade at those schools, I really don’t know, but that’s not my connotation. From memory, Cal, UCLA, Colorado and Washington are the top public schools academically in the conference. Oregon is in the AAU, Oregon State has every grant (land, sun, sea, space) and is a surprisingly good ag/engineering school, Wazzu similarly has good ag and research activity. All have endowments over $1 bil. harperdc fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Nov 8, 2022 |
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Nov 8, 2022 23:07
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LeeMajors posted:I would hate this for Kentucky. I'm not sure where he goes though. Auburn? Tech? Personally, I would love it if Mark Stoops got so mad at football being second fiddle at Kentucky to leave One of the premier Big Ten jobs feels like the best fit for him, since he's made a lot of his hay recruiting Ohio at Kentucky
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Godzilla07 posted:Personally, I would love it if Mark Stoops got so mad at football being second fiddle at Kentucky to leave Ah yeah, thats a good point--I always forget about them being Youngstown folks. Maybe Wisconsin? Penn St and Ohio St will be occupied forever. Nebraska?
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https://twitter.com/nocontextcfb/status/1590136846616760321
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Tennessee gets in by just falling forward after the last week, then, right
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Soul Glo posted:Tennessee gets in by just falling forward after the last week, then, right No they'd get jumped by Oregon because (if Oregon win out) they'd have 1 more win and be conference champs and Tenn. would have one less win and be a division runner-up. They'd probably get jumped by LSU if LSU won out too. PostNouveau fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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Where does USC end up if they run the table? UCLA, Norte Dame, and Oregon (presumably) in the Pac 12 CG?
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a neat cape posted:Where does USC end up if they run the table? UCLA, Norte Dame, and Oregon (presumably) in the Pac 12 CG? If USC runs the table I’m positive they make it in. They’re a big name brand even if they’ve sucked for almost 20 years now.
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a neat cape posted:Where does USC end up if they run the table? UCLA, Norte Dame, and Oregon (presumably) in the Pac 12 CG? Probably No. 4, same as Oregon. 1-loss conference champ (assuming their competition here is Tennessee, who is only a divisional runner-up with 1 fewer win). Where they are now and how many spots they would have to rise to get there do not matter.
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a neat cape posted:Where does USC end up if they run the table? UCLA, Norte Dame, and Oregon (presumably) in the Pac 12 CG? Definitely in, probably at absolute worst 4th behind an undefeated SEC champ UGA, an undefeated Big 10 champ of your choice, and undefeated TCU.
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Nov 9, 2022 01:54
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The more interesting question I think is not Tenn. vs. 1-loss PAC-12 champ, but 1-loss PAC-12 champ vs. Clemson
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Counting on Gary Patterson to channel all of his remaining power into punishing TCU and the shiny new coach they replaced him with by loving up their playoff run.
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Thermos H Christ posted:Counting on Gary Patterson to channel all of his remaining power into punishing TCU and the shiny new coach they replaced him with by loving up their playoff run. TCU is also jinxed now that they've climbed into the Top 4. Perfect storm. Texas is gonna beat TCU.
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PostNouveau posted:The more interesting question I think is not Tenn. vs. 1-loss PAC-12 champ, but 1-loss PAC-12 champ vs. Clemson I think no matter what a one loss PAC-12 champ has better wins than Clemson unless I guess the whole fricken conference melts down. Right now Clemson’s best win is NC State plus whomever loses the ACC title game to Clemson. USC as a one loss PAC-12 champ will have beaten Notre Dame so I don’t see how you take Clemson over them, plus higher quality wins. UCLA as a one loss PAC-12 champ has better wins than Clemson with wins over USC and Oregon and Utah. Assuming all of those teams don’t melt down. Oregon as a one loss PAC-12 champ has either two good wins over a UCLA team that beat everyone but Oregon, or a win over a decent UCLA team and a good USC team. Assuming USC beats ND, that’s kind of a transitive win over Clemson. Plus a pretty solid win over Utah that is better than any of Clemson’s wins.
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I don’t really give a poo poo that UGA murdered Oregon, if they win out they should be in the playoff. They’ve clearly figured some poo poo out and Georgia certainly has no argument against second chances.
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LeeMajors posted:I don’t really give a poo poo that UGA murdered Oregon, if they win out they should be in the playoff. They’ve clearly figured some poo poo out and Georgia certainly has no argument against second chances. Also, Bo Nix has earned this in his 12th year of collegiate football.
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drat Dirty Ape posted:Also, Bo Nix has earned this in his 12th year of collegiate football. He really is. Wild that all he had to do was flee the plains. Also I’m onboard with Oregon because it’s a tremendously damning indictment of Mario Cristobal—almost as much as his dogshit performance in coral gables.
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LeeMajors posted:He really is. Wild that all he had to do was flee the plains. Mario getting owned is very funny.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I think no matter what a one loss PAC-12 champ has better wins than Clemson unless I guess the whole fricken conference melts down. Right now Clemson’s best win is NC State plus whomever loses the ACC title game to Clemson. These are all very good arguments, but have you considered that Clemson has been good recently and that seems to matter a whole lot to poll voters/the committee?
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LeeMajors posted:Also I’m onboard with Oregon because it’s a tremendously damning indictment of Mario Cristobal—almost as much as his dogshit performance in coral gables. this is the strongest argument thus far. gently caress Cristobal
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has anyone created a "hooked on bo nix worked for me" meme yet
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Remember how A&M had a ceremony where they presented Jimbo with a plaque commemorating his national championship win at A&M, with the year left blank to be filled in later? Well I remember, and I laugh.
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oregon has been surprisingly cool to watch. i've decided i'll allow it.
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Thermos H Christ posted:Remember how A&M had a ceremony where they presented Jimbo with a plaque commemorating his national championship win at A&M, with the year left blank to be filled in later? Well I remember, and I laugh. I missed this pls share evidence
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Thermos H Christ posted:Remember how A&M had a ceremony where they presented Jimbo with a plaque commemorating his national championship win at A&M, with the year left blank to be filled in later? Well I remember, and I laugh. Oh poo poo did I miss this? Splice w the VT future championship trophy case
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Thermos H Christ posted:Remember how A&M had a ceremony where they presented Jimbo with a plaque commemorating his national championship win at A&M, with the year left blank to be filled in later? Well I remember, and I laugh. I don’t remember this but I remember it’s predecessor. 
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drat Dirty Ape posted:Also, Bo Nix has earned this in his 12th year of collegiate football. I extremely did not believe that Bo Nix was the answer for the ducks and I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop but uhhhh that dude is ballin out for real. He has only done a few insanely stupid things since the UGA game.
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Thermos H Christ posted:Remember how A&M had a ceremony where they presented Jimbo with a plaque commemorating his national championship win at A&M, with the year left blank to be filled in later? Well I remember, and I laugh. As well you should, because that is some funny rear end poo poo.
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couple things about Oregon: - I'd be all for Bo Nix getting a fifth crack at UGA's defense because lol why not, maybe now he won't throw interceptiohahahaaha - It's tough to weigh UGA's Mesozoic asskicking of Oregon because the Ducks clearly packed it in after halftime (while UT was still desperately trying to do anything against UGA and running into a brick wall while the Dawgs were happy to just run out the clock)
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What if we, and hear me out here, put Bama in at 4?
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Warbird posted:What if we, and hear me out here, put Bama in at 4? It's going to drive people insane when a non-SEC West champ 2 loss Bama gets put in
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Warbird posted:What if we, and hear me out here, put Bama in at 4? Been so long since you’ve had a four loss season you want to know what it feels like again? I’m assuming Auburn is going to beat y’all because interim coach and weak Bama team seems like a prime year for Auburn bullshit.
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Oh I fully expect Lane to sneak one in and there is too much bullshit going on for Auburn to not pull out a win.
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