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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I thought they just had to be approved by a (now) simple majority in the Senate; I remember hearing Republicans howling about Kagan in 2010, but she's still on. Reminder that they blocked Harriet Miers in 2005 as an overwhelming bipartisan effort because she had no experience as a judge.
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McDowell posted:Myers was a brilliant feint to get John Roberts in with minimal fuss. Kennedy getting in unanimously after Bork was better.
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ThirdPartyView posted:Kennedy getting in unanimously after Bork was better. That one was before my time. Bork was practically a Klansman, right?
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Wait, who did Scalia get in after? He replaced Warren Burger - there wasn't a guy rejected before he was appointed.
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McDowell posted:That one was before my time. Basically he was Scalia except less of a corporate schill. Also he certainly was no Klansman he supported Brown, and hated the "NRA view" of the second amendment. Seriously Bork would have been better I argue than Kennedy on the court. Also less of a rear end in a top hat.
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Crowsbeak posted:Seriously Bork would have been better I argue than Kennedy on the court. How could you possibly think that?
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If you thought Scalia's dissent to Lawrence v. Texas was a thing Bork would have blown it out of the water.
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Don't forget that Bork was Nixon's hatchet man in the Saturday Night Massacre in return (purportedly) for a Supreme Court appointment (which didn't happen for obvious reasons).
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Crowsbeak posted:Basically he was Scalia except less of a corporate schill. Also he certainly was no Klansman he supported Brown, and hated the "NRA view" of the second amendment. Seriously Bork would have been better I argue than Kennedy on the court. Also less of a rear end in a top hat. Plus he would have died during Obama's term and we would have gotten another liberal justice by now.
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Geoff Peterson posted:Talk to me when we get congressmen destroying watermelons in their back yard to prove that Barack and Michelle murdered a political rival. This is the other side of the availability heuristic-people tend to forget how badly hated the Clintons actually were... and that's people on both sides of the aisle forgetting. Your crazier elements of the base that we tend to connect most tightly with racial animus towards Obama (especially militia movements) are still practically asleep compared to how they were when Clinton was in charge. While people certainly forget how crazy the right was during Clinton, I think you're severely underestimating the amount of standing crazy right now. Remember, there are a number of congressmen who are birthers, and alledge that the President was not born in the United States, including watermelon guy. quote:Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind.: Paranoia is how Burton gets in the news. In the 1990s, the Indiana Republican shot a pumpkin in his backyard to demonstrate how the Clintons could have whacked Vince Foster. Now he’s a co-sponsor of the birther bill. Says a spokesperson, explaining Burton’s co-sponsorhip, “You don’t want to needlessly expose presidents to crazy conspiracy theories.” No, of course not. Paranoid theories are pretty rampant about Obama as well: that he's actually someone named "Barry Sotero", that he's the product of a weird conspiracy to create a presidential sleeper cell and weaken America, that his elections were fixed by a left-wing conspiracy including Acorn. That he's secretly a black militant, complete with videos of Michelle Obama talking about how much she hates "whitey". It is a mainstream position on Fox News that Obama intentionally allowed American diplomats to be killed in Benghazi; that he has altered job numbers and other government statistics; that he ordered the IRS to attack conservative groups. Rush Limbaugh and few Fox News personalities openly suggested that Obama had sabotaged the BP oil rig to create a disaster. The central strategy against Obamacare was based around the allegation that Obama wanted to kill old white people. Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann alleged that Obama wanted to create re-education camps in the guise of a youth service program, to indoctrinate young people. The idea that Obama is using the federal government to brainwash the youth is a recurring idea on Fox News, which manifests even with programs as benign as Michelle Obama's children's health initiatives. Roughly a third of conservatives thought Obama was a muslim at one point. Clinton conspiracy theories alleged that he was a psychopathic crook interested only in himself. Obama conspiracy theories allege that he is an anti-white outsider trying to fundamentally destroy America forever. Also, lets not forget that Clinton really was an adulterer and scumbag. The Kenneth Starr investigation became ridiculous, but there really was an attempt to cover up his affair, and the president really did commit perjury. Periodiko fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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Then again, Clinton was investigated and harassed until he was actually impeached. Honestly, he may have had it worse than Obama. But I think the difference is that Clinton could deal with it better than Obama. He masterfully swung the shithose back on the Republicans and in the end made them look like they were the assholes for impeaching him. Despite the fact that everyone was talking about Clinton's pubic hair, sticking a cigar in Lewinsky's pussy, and basically a money shot in the oval office all over Lewinsky. Yep, that was all revealed for the public to read about and discuss during his presidency. Obama for some reason doesn't have that skill.
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Vladimir Putin posted:Then again, Clinton was investigated and harassed until he was actually impeached. Honestly, he may have had it worse than Obama. But I think the difference is that Clinton could deal with it better than Obama. He masterfully swung the shithose back on the Republicans and in the end made them look like they were the assholes for impeaching him. Despite the fact that everyone was talking about Clinton's pubic hair, sticking a cigar in Lewinsky's pussy, and basically a money shot in the oval office all over Lewinsky. Yep, that was all revealed for the public to read about and discuss during his presidency. What examples do you have of Clinton "dealing with it better". Republicans were way more willing to deal back in the 90s, I hate this constant expectation that it is somehow Obama's fault for not negotiating with peoples who starting and final position is "the opposite of what you want no matter what it is ever"
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socialsecurity posted:What examples do you have of Clinton "dealing with it better". Republicans were way more willing to deal back in the 90s, I hate this constant expectation that it is somehow Obama's fault for not negotiating with peoples who starting and final position is "the opposite of what you want no matter what it is ever" Not a single thing he said has to do with negotiating with the GOP. Reread.
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It has very little to do with a difference in political acumen between Clinton and Obama and a whole lot to do with republicans overreaching when they impeached Clinton, learning their lesson, and going full obstructionist with Obama. Bill clinton didn't turn around anybody's poo poo hose, he just stood around grinning while republicans inserted the poo poo hose in their own collective mouth. Obama hasn't been as lucky.
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JeffersonClay posted:It has very little to do with a difference in political acumen between Clinton and Obama and a whole lot to do with republicans overreaching when they impeached Clinton, learning their lesson, and going full obstructionist with Obama. Bill clinton didn't turn around anybody's poo poo hose, he just stood around grinning while republicans inserted the poo poo hose in their own collective mouth. Obama hasn't been as lucky.
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Periodiko posted:While people certainly forget how crazy the right was during Clinton, I think you're severely underestimating the amount of standing crazy right now. Remember, there are a number of congressmen who are birthers, and alledge that the President was not born in the United States, including watermelon guy. Let's remember that this is not a phenomenon that started with, or is contained to, the right wing. I do not mean to diminish the aggressive amount of horseshit that Obama has faced from the right wing, fringe or mainstream. Periodiko posted:Clinton conspiracy theories alleged that he was a psychopathic crook interested only in himself. Obama conspiracy theories allege that he is an anti-white outsider trying to fundamentally destroy America forever. Also, lets not forget that Clinton really was an adulterer and scumbag. The Kenneth Starr investigation became ridiculous, but there really was an attempt to cover up his affair, and the president really did commit perjury. Reacquaint yourself with the Brady Bill and Assault Weapons Ban. In both cases, those were clearly attempts to prevent citizens from protecting themselves from the UN taking over and instituting a NWO under a One World Government. You had an outbreak of militia criminal activity and standoffs that make Bundy Ranch look like child's play. And let's not get started on what NAFTA represented. Progressives (or "Progressives") want to destroy the comfortable ideals of the American Way of Life because they hate America and don't want to return the country you grew up in. It's like being "the most liberal" governor/senator/congressman. The most they've had against Michelle was an "October Surprise" whiteytape that never materialized and that she's a fatty fat fat who wants to take away our hamburgers and french fries. Compare that to what Hillary underwent as First Lady. Obama doesn't need to be the most hated, most attacked or most abused president for him to have been excessively hated, attacked or abused. There's a heavier racial tinge to most of the Obama attacks, but the "fundamentally destroy America forever" is hardly novel or stronger than it has been before. Vladimir Putin posted:Then again, Clinton was investigated and harassed until he was actually impeached. Honestly, he may have had it worse than Obama. But I think the difference is that Clinton could deal with it better than Obama. He masterfully swung the shithose back on the Republicans and in the end made them look like they were the assholes for impeaching him. Despite the fact that everyone was talking about Clinton's pubic hair, sticking a cigar in Lewinsky's pussy, and basically a money shot in the oval office all over Lewinsky. Yep, that was all revealed for the public to read about and discuss during his presidency. People, even terrible political hacks, learn lessons. Issa's happy to comment semi-privately that Fast and Furious was Obama's plan to take all of our guns, but he won't say it in committee or on the house floor. He's happy to hold-or threaten to hold-cabinet members and administration officials in contempt, but he's not calling for articles of impeachment. In fact, nobody has presented articles of impeachment on Obama-which is more than Bush can say for his presidency. Instead you have Boehner intentionally stopping short in what is widely read as a mollification tactic. Clinton, with this crowd, would be in the same boat Obama's in. It's profoundly annoying, often childish and usually backfires on their image (Debt Ceiling, Shutdown, Green Eggs and Ham), but doesn't rise to the level that they receive the same sort of "petty politics" punishment that the GOP did under Clinton. The perpetual outrage machine on the right helps provide cover as well.
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JeffersonClay posted:It has very little to do with a difference in political acumen between Clinton and Obama and a whole lot to do with republicans overreaching when they impeached Clinton, learning their lesson, and going full obstructionist with Obama. Bill clinton didn't turn around anybody's poo poo hose, he just stood around grinning while republicans inserted the poo poo hose in their own collective mouth. Obama hasn't been as lucky. The key was that the Republicans spent all that time and money investigating the gently caress out of Clinton, and then they managed to get him on getting a blow job. It was ridiculous and backfired on them simply because no one actually cared if the President got a blow job. Especially since impeaching a guy for getting a blow job was pure insanity, no matter how much the Republicans tried to sell it as being about perjury.
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The media landscape has changed alot since Clinton was in office - Rush Limbaugh, National Review, and a couple other publications were the voice of the opposition; now we have infowars, breitbart, The Blaze, and dozens of other outlets spewing anything that will get them clicks and politicians that have to (at least indirectly) acknowledge these narratives in order to win votes.
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Geoff Peterson posted:Progressives (or "Progressives") want to destroy the comfortable ideals of the American Way of Life because they hate America and don't want to return the country you grew up in. It's like being "the most liberal" governor/senator/congressman. The most they've had against Michelle was an "October Surprise" whiteytape that never materialized and that she's a fatty fat fat who wants to take away our hamburgers and french fries. Compare that to what Hillary underwent as First Lady. In fairness, Hillary did try to turn herself into a kind of quasi-cabinet member with health care. Not that she deserved any of the flak she got throughout the whole administration. Michelle has been strictly appropriate at all times, yet is the most popular and dynamic of First Ladies since...gosh. I wanted to say Jackie Kennedy but she was a ditz compared to Mrs. Obama.
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Um, excuse me, "Moochelle" is clearly a fat fatty who wants to take away  ARE BURGERS AND FRIES and is obviously a No racism here, no sir!
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 Worst President says man on chair.
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Ankle-biter posted:I know how much you all hate fox news, so here's a copy of the Washington Times. Oh good thanks for that
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McDowell posted:now we have infowars To be fair Infowars isn't exactly a part of the Republican party's media. They're a bunch of paranoid nutjobs who will hate anybody who is in power and I commend their consistency on that. (Source: They despised Bush even more than goons did.)
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Limerick posted:To be fair Infowars isn't exactly a part of the Republican party's media. They're a bunch of paranoid nutjobs who will hate anybody who is in power and I commend their consistency on that. Alex Jones was part of the Clinton NWO conspiracies and Infowars stories generally push GOP talking points. But in terms of the rightwing strategy of 'vote (R) or stay home' they are definitely on the 'stay home' tack. They also serve Russian propaganda interests - but as I said, their main interest is in generating clicks.
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Geoff Peterson posted:Reacquaint yourself with the Brady Bill and Assault Weapons Ban. In both cases, those were clearly attempts to prevent citizens from protecting themselves from the UN taking over and instituting a NWO under a One World Government. You had an outbreak of militia criminal activity and standoffs that make Bundy Ranch look like child's play. And let's not get started on what NAFTA represented. You certainly make a convincing case that Clinton had to deal with serious opposition that Obama hasn't, but case in point - at least the Brady Bill passed, and with Republican votes. All this rhetoric about some outside force, the feds, or the NWO, still exists, and militias have returned, and become more prevalent every year of Obama's presidency. In fact, now we get the crazy NWO One World Government Marxist Feds argument even though there isn't a prayer for gun control legislation, even though the NRA effectively has complete control over GOP gun policy. I wasn't an adult during the Clinton years so it's hard to make comparisons, but this bubbling reserve of resentment and despair amongst old white conservatives seems unique. It's not about weirdos in their 20's and 30's living in a bunker in the woods, it's Grandma and Grandpa living with a bunker mentality, fed by a constant stream of conservative media. It feels like something's broken in the GOP's relationship to their far right, and whereas the GOP used to use far right rhetoric as a political tool, they're increasingly being destabilized by far right true believers who - most importantly - have genuine popular support.
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Did you read that article? It's basically a probably-misguided white person (the man on the chair) calling the tea party racist. His use of the word is more Pryor than Klansman.
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Bifner McDoogle posted:(though Teddy Roosevelt has a life story that sounds completely made up to be honest). It was quote:In today's excerpt - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt, a New Yorker born to extraordinary wealth, was the first master of the political imagery made possible by the new mediums of photography and mass produced books. He used this skill adroitly in his rise to be America's 26th president: Also, speaking to his control of image, he had a tennis court installed at the white house but never allowed anyone to photograph him playing tennis
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McDowell posted:Press 1 for English? FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU this is genocide lol
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Rodatose posted:It was This article is kind of bullshit. The definitive Roosevelt biography is a two volume piece by Edmund Morris. Roosevelt was every bit the tough guy that his image was. Not saying that he didn't control his image, but there was a lot of substance behind it.
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Vladimir Putin posted:This article is kind of bullshit. The definitive Roosevelt biography is a two volume piece by Edmund Morris. Roosevelt was every bit the tough guy that his image was. Not saying that he didn't control his image, but there was a lot of substance behind it. This is 100% true. The man survived an assassination attempt because he had a thick speech in his breast pocket, and that's where the bullet hit him. He delivered the speech anyway WITH THE BULLET LODGED IN HIS CHEST, opening his remarks with this: "Friends, I shall ask you to be as quiet as possible. I don't know whether you fully understand that I have just been shot; but it takes more than that to kill a Bull Moose. But fortunately I had my manuscript, so you see I was going to make a long speech, and there is a bullet - there is where the bullet went through - and it probably saved me from it going into my heart. The bullet is in me now, so that I cannot make a very long speech, but I will try my best." There's a short list of badass Presidents, but TR is definitely at the top of the list.
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Winner of the Medal of Honor and the Nobel Peace Prize. He quit his desk job in the Navy to enlist and fight in the Spanish American war. Dude backed is talk.
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Alter Ego posted:This is 100% true. The man survived an assassination attempt because he had a thick speech in his breast pocket, and that's where the bullet hit him. He delivered the speech anyway WITH THE BULLET LODGED IN HIS CHEST, opening his remarks with this: "Friends, I shall ask you to be as quiet as possible. I don't know whether you fully understand that I have just been shot; but it takes more than that to kill a Bull Moose. But fortunately I had my manuscript, so you see I was going to make a long speech, and there is a bullet - there is where the bullet went through - and it probably saved me from it going into my heart. The bullet is in me now, so that I cannot make a very long speech, but I will try my best." I'd say that Grant also belongs on that list: quote:In Monterrey, Grant risked his life through a sniper-riddled street to carry a message on horseback; in another battle, he saved his friend and future brother-in-law Fred Dent, after Dent had been shot in the leg. Grant rushed to pull him off of the battlefield, and was almost killed by a Mexican soldier. Another comrade saved him just in time. And yet, despite his renown as a great Civil War general, he wasn't afraid to admit when a war was unjust. on the Mexican-American War posted:He disagreed with actions taken by superiors, and believed the entire premise of the war to be a front for acquiring more land that was unopposed to slavery. In his best-selling memoirs written at the end of his life, Grant reflected on his experience in the war, saying, "I was bitterly opposed to the measure, and to this day, regard the war, which resulted, as one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger against a weaker nation." He also stated, "I do not think there was ever a more wicked war...I thought so at the time...only I had not moral courage enough to resign."
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Grant's memoir is a very good read actually and I highly recommend it.
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Nikaer Drekin posted:I'd say that Grant also belongs on that list: Grant also couldn't abide the sight of blood. Odd for a man who was the Union's greatest general.
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ThirdPartyView posted:Kennedy getting in unanimously after Bork was better. I like to post this every time Bork comes up: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/12/postscript-robert-bork-1927-2012.html
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Theodore was a hard rear end who also understood how to control image. Part of the reason he decided to be a police commissioner was public access and he could walk a street at night every so often to make it look like he was being as hands on as he probably was.
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