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Dr. VooDoo posted:No that was the n-word episode. Terry and Matt said it's totally cool to use fag and queer as everyday language cause really no one uses it to mean gay people or mean gay people are bad anymore so it's not a big deal and gay people who get upset about it are making a big deal about nothing. See it's cool cause two straight guys said that there's nothing negative associated with gay people in those words anymore so it's a-ok to use! No no, this is like the one episode of South Park I ever saw (by accident), it was a thing in the episode where anyone saying "poo poo" or "fag" got censor-bleeped, like in-story they were being censored, but a gay person was allowed to say both, don't remember why "poo poo" was involved, I remember distinctly this character walking down the street singing "poo poo, fag, lovely lovely fag fag" to himself. E: also "What? We can't say f** any more?" "Hey, that's bullshit that we can't say fag!" "...You didn't get bleeped."
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Yeah, I think you're not going to see the usual suspects defend the SC shooting (besides that Chuck dude above,whoever the hell he is). For what it's worth (anecdotal evidence time!) my elderly, conservative, southern great aunt was discussing the case earlier and pretty much bluntly said the cop needs to be sent to jail for life. So, yeah, can't speak for others but I'm going to guess among most of the public (even the more right-leaning parts) this particular incident will be pretty bluntly a murder.
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So the guy's lawyer dropped him, the department fired him, he was arrested and denied bail, and now the gofundme is pulled? Seeing who still defends him is gonna be great for weeding out the hardcore racist authoritarians from the half-assers. Dabir posted:No no, this is like the one episode of South Park I ever saw (by accident), it was a thing in the episode where anyone saying "poo poo" or "fag" got censor-bleeped, like in-story they were being censored, but a gay person was allowed to say both, don't remember why "poo poo" was involved, I remember distinctly this character walking down the street singing "poo poo, fag, lovely lovely fag fag" to himself.
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I can't help but feel the episode was made because of the Naggers episode of South Park. They had a big spiel at the end of that one about how people who aren't part of a historical persecuted minority group can't understand why hearing a slur word that was created about them in any context hurts when said by someone not from that minority group and I imagine someone pointed out to Terry and Matt how they used gay slur words in their show pretty often. A few seasons later and we get an episode of why it's totally ok to use these slur words for a minority group cause when they say them they don't mean it badly!
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Hey folks, this is a cross-post from the April USPols thread as I was told it might be better to discuss this topic here. Today, I had this article gracing my news feed on facebook, with many of my republican friends commenting and liking it. Here is the article in question: http://www.usherald.com/maine-welfare-recipients-must-work-for-their-benefits/#.VSMk815brdk.facebook I don't know much about the US Herald but it seems like your typical right-wing media outlet that likes to point out how dumb the liberals are for wasting taxpayer money. In reading the article though, it seems like they are mandating that able-bodied adults with no children are required to perform some level of community service in order to receive their benefits. Something about this just doesn't feel right to me but I am having trouble articulating it in a logical argument. It disgusts me that people commenting on this article find so much pleasure in "saving" taxpayer money by going after the absolute poorest people in the country, but I know that appealing to anyone on a compassionate level is pointless. It also feels like this policy is almost a form of indentured servitude, where people are essentially performing a "job", but getting paid through benefits instead of a salary. Again, my apologies if this is not the correct thread for this type of discussion. One person from the other thread suggested that a lot of the people losing welfare could be students who cannot spend the 20hrs/week doing services. MrSargent fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Apr 9, 2015 |
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MrSargent posted:Hey folks, this is a cross-post from the April USPols thread as I was told it might be better to discuss this topic here. Today, I had this article gracing my news feed on facebook, with many of my republican friends commenting and liking it. Here is the article in question: That link doesn't seem to work but the able bodied welfare recipient is near-mythical at this point. These days if you're on "welfare" you're almost certainly either disabled, a child, and/or it isn't "welfare," it's unemployment insurance because you just got laid off, etc. The other side of the coin with these proposals is that there isn't always "community service" available for people to just up and perform.
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Apr 9, 2015 05:49
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I am achingly jealous of those of you who aren't familiar with Charles C Johnson.
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Apr 9, 2015 06:03
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That link doesn't seem to work but the able bodied welfare recipient is near-mythical at this point. These days if you're on "welfare" you're almost certainly either disabled, a child, and/or it isn't "welfare," it's unemployment insurance because you just got laid off, etc. My apologies, I fixed the link to the article and it seems to work now.
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MrSargent posted:Hey folks, this is a cross-post from the April USPols thread as I was told it might be better to discuss this topic here. Today, I had this article gracing my news feed on facebook, with many of my republican friends commenting and liking it. Here is the article in question: If you're going to pay people to work then you might as well create real job programs with real job training that pay real wages. But that sounds an awful lot like socialism, so lets call it community service so we can treat being poor like it's a crime.
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MrSargent posted:My apologies, I fixed the link to the article and it seems to work now. still didn't but here's a working link: http://www.usherald.com/maine-welfare-recipients-must-work-for-their-benefits/ What I want to know is what happens if people can't find a place to volunteer. My guess is that they're poo poo out of luck and that's the idea. Food stamps are pretty basic aid and if you need them you honestly need them, they're for food. hahah, yeah, yup, after some research: quote:While that might seem fair -- after all, critics of the program would question giving food to people who aren't apparently willing to work -- the CBPP notes that most states don't offer job training to every adult who is at risk of losing their food stamp benefits. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/food-stamp-cuts-may-force-1-million-into-hardship/ So Maine requires that you participate in work training, volunteering, etc., but YOU have to find it; they aren't going to guarantee that training, volunteer opportunities, etc. will be made available to you. So, people are going to get told they have to find X non-job opportunity or starve; they won't be able to find those opportunities; they'll starve to death or leave the state, thus saving valuable taxpayer dollars. Generally speaking I've found anyone who advocates cuts to food stamps is either a horrible person or horribly ignorant. It's literally advocating for starvation.
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[quote="Hieronymous Alloy" post="443833046" Generally speaking I've found anyone who advocates cuts to food stamps is either a horrible person or horribly ignorant. It's literally advocating for starvation. [/quote] Huh, the link works for me now, not sure what happened. Really appreciate the additional information which is enlightening. I am basically in the same camp as you and find it disgusting that of all the things we could do to save money and improve spending efficiency, taking away people's food stamps is even in the discussion. And the complete lack of empathy for other humans is concerning to say the least.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:
Starvation, extreme debt or poverty... which are all just wonderful choices.
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To be fair if you really did want efficiency, you WOULD take away food stamps... ...because you'd replace all the myriad individual programs people are put under into a single cash/real debit payment format, simplifying benefits processing greatly, removing the extraneous extra balances and such that need to be maintained as "food only" et cetera, Instead of $x in food stamps, $y in regular "welfare" money, maybe $z in supplemental social security stuff or a heating bill credit or housing payments, you'd simply receive $x+y+z as a lump sum, from one agency. But then poor people might buy things with YOUR MONEY!! So we can't have that. And we can't pay people more money by shifting the extra cost of running multiple seperate agencies into increased payouts for the same funding caused by removing redundancies and streamlining the application process. That's immoral!
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I have a friend who receives food stamps. She is a grad student and also works part-time to cover basic living expenses and supports herself. If this policy were to be in place in CA, would it apply to someone in her situation? I can't see anything to indicate it would not apply and that would be pretty terrifying to be put in that situation.
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MrSargent posted:I have a friend who receives food stamps. She is a grad student and also works part-time to cover basic living expenses and supports herself. If this policy were to be in place in CA, would it apply to someone in her situation? I can't see anything to indicate it would not apply and that would be pretty terrifying to be put in that situation. It would apply to everyone. Instead of getting restricted use payments from multiple agencies, you'd get at least the same face value as straight up cash or government backed debit account. You get $50 of food stamps credit a month? Now it's just plain $50. Maybe, depending on the actual efficiencies incurred, it could go from $50 food stamps to $55 regular money or more. You'd never lose money under this program unless you were the 1 legitimate benefits fraudster in the country who somehow played off different agencies to attain an unfair amount of payments. This system is essentially how government payments function in many other countries.
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Speaking of Facebook poo poo, for those who were saying they hadn't seen much defending of the cop's shooting Walter Scott, I would like to (sadistically) recommend checking any local news station's post about the story on social media. I happened to hop on FB in time to see one posted like a minute earlier, and literally the first response was "WELL HE WAS TRYING TO GET AWAY SO HE MUST HAVE BEEN DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL." Local news comments really give YT a run for the money.
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Nintendo Kid posted:But then poor people might buy things with YOUR MONEY!! So we can't have that. And we can't pay people more money by shifting the extra cost of running multiple seperate agencies into increased payouts for the same funding caused by removing redundancies and streamlining the application process. That's immoral! It's funny how conservatives are always about lowering taxes because "well you know what you need more than some government bureaucrat", free markets are perfectly efficient at moving goods to where they're needed, blah blah blah...but when it comes to the poor it's like "oh no we need a government run nanny service to watch over everyone because humans have no innate biological desire to consume food, and will spend all their money on DVDs and bling while starving to death"
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VitalSigns posted:It's funny how conservatives are always about lowering taxes because "well you know what you need more than some government bureaucrat", free markets are perfectly efficient at moving goods to where they're needed, blah blah blah...but when it comes to the poor it's like "oh no we need a government run nanny service to watch over everyone because humans have no innate biological desire to consume food, and will spend all their money on DVDs and bling while starving to death" Poor = bad, therefore poor people = bad. Stupid = bad, therefore poor people = stupid. This means they can't be trusted with money. 
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That link doesn't seem to work but the able bodied welfare recipient is near-mythical at this point. These days if you're on "welfare" you're almost certainly either disabled, a child, and/or it isn't "welfare," it's unemployment insurance because you just got laid off, etc. I am in a lovely situation, complete with impending homelessness, and debilitating health problems that came out of nowhere in the last year. I can't tell you how many times friends have asked me, "Why don't you go on welfare?" I keep having to explain that I don't go on welfare because welfare doesn't loving exist outside of Republican talking points. I recently qualified for Medicaid, but even that would have been out of the question before my state expanded Medicaid as part of the ACA. I am a single male with no children. I may be able to get $137 per month in food stamps. For everything else, I am on my own. That's usually followed up with, "Well, get some disability." Then I point out a mutual friend who is sincerely crippled by a huge number of physical health problems, and utterly unable to support herself, and is now in her fourth year of trying to get $800/month in disability benefits. When she does get them, she won't even get the full amount, because the law firm handling her case works on contingency and gets a percentage for life after she starts receiving payments. She's four years into trying to get some help, and she has the assistance of a law firm who does this full-time. Yet, my friends and acquaintances think I'm just too lazy to wander into the local free money office and get a stack of cash to solve my problems. It's loving unreal.
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VitalSigns posted:It's funny how conservatives are always about lowering taxes because "well you know what you need more than some government bureaucrat", free markets are perfectly efficient at moving goods to where they're needed, blah blah blah...but when it comes to the poor it's like "oh no we need a government run nanny service to watch over everyone because humans have no innate biological desire to consume food, and will spend all their money on DVDs and bling while starving to death" They're all for unfettered freedom from the nanny state, unless you're poor, in which case they pretty much want a fascist police state, complete with jackbooted poverty police, to monitor the most vulnerable in society to ensure they have nothing nice and live in perpetual misery until they get these mythical jobs that will just solve all of their problems. The public shaming tumblr's last updates months ago were about people tweeting over the $15/hr wage for fast food workers, saying they're lazy and undeserving, usually followed by tweets about how they hate their lovely jobs and how money's tight. 
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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/04/08/3644461/gofundme-rejects-campaign-support-south-carolina-officer-charged-murder/ I don't know if you guys have already seen this, but not even GoFundMe wants this guy.
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orange sky posted:http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/04/08/3644461/gofundme-rejects-campaign-support-south-carolina-officer-charged-murder/ Bottom of last page, but it bears repeating, at least the people at gofundme saw through the bullshit. Everytime something like this happens some idiot is going to start a gofundme for the other side for exposure ala Dana Lousch
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Centripetal Horse posted:I am in a lovely situation, complete with impending homelessness, and debilitating health problems that came out of nowhere in the last year. I can't tell you how many times friends have asked me, "Why don't you go on welfare?" I keep having to explain that I don't go on welfare because welfare doesn't loving exist outside of Republican talking points. I recently qualified for Medicaid, but even that would have been out of the question before my state expanded Medicaid as part of the ACA. I am a single male with no children. I may be able to get $137 per month in food stamps. For everything else, I am on my own. So did your right leaning friends say how unkwown "others" are welfare queens while saying that YOU their friend is different for "reasons"? Also GoFundMe is censoring that poor cop/true American.
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Apr 9, 2015 16:36
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VideoTapir posted:Maybe they just thought the pizza place thing was bad publicity and they didn't want more of it? Someone needs to start an IndieGoGo fund for GoFundMe.
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It's not about race folks. Also, I hope those blacks understand the cop was arrested so NO RIOTING, mmkay? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXgxr5aHsTk
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beatlegs posted:It's not about race folks. Also, I hope those blacks understand the cop was arrested so NO RIOTING, mmkay? Everyone should watch this video, as it's exactly what we're going to be seeing from these people for quite some time. edit: Holy poo poo, that Gutfield guy is insufferable.
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Apr 9, 2015 18:48
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Anyone catching Limbaugh today? I'm curious as to how he is playing this murder by police.
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beatlegs posted:It's not about race folks. Also, I hope those blacks understand the cop was arrested so NO RIOTING, mmkay? Looting, rioting, destruction of property! Police defend you from this! (dogs barking) No true police officer.
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"Greg, what are your thoughts?" Five of the most dreaded words in modern broadcasting.
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Apr 9, 2015 18:57
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beatlegs posted:"Greg, what are your thoughts?" Five of the most dreaded words in modern broadcasting. He's grown really intolerable. I realize he was probably always like this, but I seem to recall enjoying "Red Eye" a while back. Now? He's kind of gone from Libertarian to pretty conservative now to go along with the base. As soon as I saw him go "KIDS THESE DAYS" I knew he was a goner.
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Centripetal Horse posted:I am in a lovely situation, complete with impending homelessness, and debilitating health problems that came out of nowhere in the last year. I can't tell you how many times friends have asked me, "Why don't you go on welfare?" I keep having to explain that I don't go on welfare because welfare doesn't loving exist outside of Republican talking points. I recently qualified for Medicaid, but even that would have been out of the question before my state expanded Medicaid as part of the ACA. I am a single male with no children. I may be able to get $137 per month in food stamps. For everything else, I am on my own.
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FuzzySkinner posted:He's grown really intolerable. I realize he was probably always like this, but I seem to recall enjoying "Red Eye" a while back.
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site posted:Has your friend checked out your local NAMI chapter? I'm starting the process and my doc told me that they do and/or keep in contact with advocacy groups that do pro bono work for this kind of stuff. I was told that being denied multiple times and it taking years is unfortunately the norm though. I started my application in November of 2012. Still waiting.
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FuzzySkinner posted:He's grown really intolerable. I realize he was probably always like this, but I seem to recall enjoying "Red Eye" a while back. Aren't all Libertarians like that when you boil them down?
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loving LINOs, man. Now let me tell you why affirmative action is really keeping the blacks down...
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beatlegs posted:Aren't all Libertarians like that when you boil them down? It seems like a trend lately for conservatives with no actual libertarian policy positions to just rebrand themselves and libertarians because it has less negative connotations. The funny thing is that the one group of people who seem to try to be consistent in their libertarianism, the reason.com type people, are considered closet liberals and are generally distrusted by the conservative base.
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Phone posted:loving LINOs, man. Give a man equality and you free him for a day, teach a man to seize equality and you free him for a lifetime. 
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UFOTofuTacoCat posted:Anyone catching Limbaugh today? I'm curious as to how he is playing this murder by police. Same as all the Fox News types. Ignoring it outright.
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