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 I hope the 'take our planes and go west' contingency isn't going to be invoked, or things are going to be very, very dicey for us if we leave the Angolans to their fate.
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Yvonmukluk posted:
This is why so many of us were willing to dedicate our precious SDB Gripens towards hunting down the S-300.
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Yeah, taking that thing out was the primary focus of my plan, as letting it just hang around would be a serious pain in the arsenal for our own operations.
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It's going to be really annoying when we fire a single HARM at the S-300 and we kill it
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Apr 26, 2017 18:32
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Vando posted:It's going to be really annoying when we fire a single HARM at the S-300 and we kill it But then what would we talk about?
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Apr 26, 2017 18:37
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Vando posted:It's going to be really annoying when we fire a single HARM at the S-300 and we kill it Don't worry, the Chinese hate us and are packing SA-21s. Same with India, and all it takes is for Rohan to fly south and hit an orphanage in Namibia while getting millions from us for India to come say hello too.
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Dong Quixote posted:Don't worry, the Chinese hate us and are packing SA-21s. Same with India, and all it takes is for Rohan to fly south and hit an orphanage in Namibia while getting millions from us for India to come say hello too. Oh no I mean when the time comes to face this sort of thing again in future it'll mean half the thread will be all "BUT YOU SAID IT WOULD BE HARD LAST TIME BUT LOOK IT WAS EASY! SEND ONE PLANE THEN CONGA LINE PAST BC IT WILL BE DEAD" and I'll full on pop a vein
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xthetenth posted:The Tornadoes are dispensers for some really excellent standoff capability that we don't get from the low end strike force being built around dispensing laser guided bombs like goddamn candy. Do you have a problem with that candy? Because I sure don't! Hey we needed those Frogfeet for, uh, reasons, like all their unique abilities such as "going slowly". And it's a great thing we bought those Sperwers in a theater they literally could not operate in. Maximum value there. I think the most useful one we got was the Hawks and iirc they were thrown in as a bonus that we didn't even know we were getting.
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power crystals posted:Do you have a problem with that candy? Because I sure don't! Ah now, you're going too far by saying the Hawks are useful.
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Quinntan posted:Ah now, you're going too far by saying the Hawks are useful. Hey, I'm in one of those Hawks until we get my F-35.
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CirclMastr posted:Hey, I'm in one of those Hawks until we get my F-35. Would you take an upgrade to a skyhawk?
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I will not rest until we have electric lightnings flying CAP for super tucanos
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Apr 26, 2017 19:13
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Quinntan posted:Ah now, you're going too far by saying the Hawks are useful. In game terms,.they've been moderately-useful aircraft. They can each lob a few Mavericks and kill a few tanks, and that's about it. They're basically SK 60s that can actually hit things. But in real life, they'd actually be a pretty useful aircraft for a mercenary outfit like ours to have. They're a cheap way to do lots of mundane, but important stuff. Train up new pilots, keep pilot hours up when we can't afford to fly the Gripens, and tow gunner targets. They could even act as our very own mini aggressor squadron.
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Yeah anything that can at least fire modern atg weapons is fine they'll blow up tanks in permissive airspace and that's good, at least they aren't sk60s
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RentACop posted:I will not rest until we have Phantoms flying CAP for A-1D Skyraiders ftfy
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Quinntan posted:Ah now, you're going too far by saying the Hawks are useful. The Mavericks are F&F and can outrange lovely AA weapons  plus they're dirt cheap to operate. I wouldn't start with that option but out of Hawks, Frogfeet, and Sperwers (lol) I'd go with Hawks.
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power crystals posted:The Mavericks are F&F and can outrange lovely AA weapons The Hawk has a pair of Mavericks, the Frogfoot can haul 16 vikhrs.
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Apr 26, 2017 19:39
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gently caress it. Just buy one of these.
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Sean 'Pike' Baker posted:The waiting's the worst part, right now. I mean, not just because I'm stuck on the ground waiting until they give me one of the support birds. Part of becoming aircrew in this outfit is you get a bird when the company buys a new one, basically. Which takes a while, in our line of work. We've lost four pilots already since we arrived. So there's that to look forward to. But the other part? Is this limbo time, between when we get the orders and finish the prep, before we even launch a bird. Hayerd-Gunnes likes to keep us informed, helps with morale they say. But that just means when you'll waiting for the off, you find yourself second-guessing everything. Even if you're not even getting into the air on the op. At least that way, you have some control. Down here, there's nothing you can do but wait. Even the actual mission launching, things are happening, even if you have no control. But as ground crew? You're passengers, the whole way through. You get the birds ready, you hope that everyone else's preparation is as thorough as yours was, and you watch and hope that the same number of birds come back that left. And it's not just us on the line this time. If this goes bad, a lot of people on the ground are going to die.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:gently caress it. Just buy one of these. Find me a price tag and Ill put it on the list 
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Loel posted:Find me a price tag and Ill put it on the list $378.5M plus the cost of modifications and ordnance. Since this is military R&D probably double the cost just to be sure. Meanwhile we probably could retrofit our C-130 with a few modifications. 
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:gently caress it. Just buy one of these. *sniff, wipes tear* it's... it's so beautiful
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Added at 750m.
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Loel posted:Added at 750m. Put a "~" in front of it so that we're scientifically accurate.
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30 billion: Manhattan Project 10 billion; Ford CVN 5 billion: Columbia SSBN 3 billion: MEADS 3 billion: Virginia SSN 3 billion: Nuclear Destroyer 2 billion: Ohio SSGN 1 billion: AEGIS Ashore 750 million: THAAD battery ~750 million: 747 CMC 737 million: B-2 400 million: SA-21 270 million: E-3D 253 million: AC-130U 250 million: David's Sling 244 million: E8-C 178 million: B1-B 175 million: JLENS 150 million: F-22 130 million: AC-130H 125 million: B-52B 120 million: SS-26 115 million: SA-10 111 million: F-117 105 million: F-15K 90 million: Typhoon 85 million: F-35A 72 million: V-22 68 million: EA-18G 60 million: Rafale 60 million: JAS 39C 50 million: Iron Dome 50 million: PAK-FA 43 million: JAS 39E 32 million: Tornado 31 million: SR-71 30 million: F-15E 28 million: CH-53 20 million: F-16D 20 million: RS-24 17 million: MQ-9 15 million: SA-22 14 million: F-111 7 million: WR-40 7 million: PLZ-45 5 million: T-14 3 million: BMP-3 3 million: MIM-104 2 million: F-104G 1 million: CH-4 Loel fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Apr 27, 2017 |
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Why the 104G? Can't we get some S ASA/M-s from Italy?
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Mikl posted:Why the 104G? Can't we get some S ASA/M-s from Italy? Only price I saw on wiki 
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Quinntan posted:The Hawk has a pair of Mavericks, the Frogfoot can haul 16 vikhrs. Someone earlier mentioned that those are always rippled in pairs, so 8 effective shots. Worse though is Vikhrs are SALH which is a spectacularly bad idea to snipe AA with vs firing and immediately running away.
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Quinntan posted:$20M for a Gripen? Are you sure about that? Im not sure of anything This is all late night googling.
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what was the pricetag on an Arleigh Burke DDG again? ~1.8 billion? And for maximum pie-in-the-sky, let's add a Zumwalt class, I think they're ~22.5b Yooper: In our timeline how thoroughly did the USN throw its weight behind railgun research? You know, for when Boatse becomes a reality
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power crystals posted:Someone earlier mentioned that those are always rippled in pairs, so 8 effective shots. Worse though is Vikhrs are SALH which is a spectacularly bad idea to snipe AA with vs firing and immediately running away. You'd think so, but apparently our Frogfoots have 360 degree laser targeting?
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Hexenritter posted:what was the pricetag on an Arleigh Burke DDG again? ~1.8 billion? No. We're a PMC. What we need to do is Iowa-as-a-Service™. Think about it. The US always wants Iowas for some sick reason. What we do is we make them less ludicrously expensive to man and operate by spreading the costs out more. We can sell preferred access to our time slots, getting money for nothing, and maintain the tech base better than the USN can. For profit bombardment ships are the best thing since profit driven prison! xthetenth fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Apr 26, 2017 |
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Loel posted:2 million: F-104G BTW, those slow CAs planes definitly have a place in our airforce, They perform well enough for tasks like blowing up mobile targets and tents! And if not that, they at least have a place in our hearts at least, I mean who could say no to a squad of 60's planes taking out a bunch of 5th generation planes.
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Come on. F-104s are a matter of a metal detector, tickets to Germany and good walking shoes.
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xthetenth posted:No. We're a PMC. What we need to do is Iowa-as-a-Service™.  please, continue. This is brilliant.
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xthetenth posted:No. We're a PMC. What we need to do is Iowa-as-a-Service™. No.
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Loel posted:Only price I saw on wiki Fuselages go for approx. 25000 euros each, though you'll need to replace the internals (engine, avionics, etc.). I'd say 1,5-2 million is probably a good ballpark to get one in working order.
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So you plane-goons, any ideas how much better the new JAS 39E/F would be if we had them right now instead of the older C's? How would a 39E compare to say, an newer version of the F-16 or the Rafale?
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Hexenritter posted:what was the pricetag on an Arleigh Burke DDG again? ~1.8 billion? The US Navy continued on the current trajectory as we are on today. High-End anti-missile systems are now so effective that high velocity railgun shells are now seen as the only way to truly get through the shield of iron.
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