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Nissan are pretty terrible. the 370Z is like $50k in Australia, and its only that cheap because the $35k BRZ/86 launched and ate its loving lunch for a whole quarter so they lopped 10K off the price in some weird attempt to try and make it seem more palatable for a car with 2 less seats, not a whole lot more performance, and similar build quality.
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I would honestly say that the BRZ/86 have better much better quality despite costing less.
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Dec 6, 2017 01:22
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I'm pretty sure the local Nissan dealership here was advertising outgoing model year stripper Versas for like 10k so that's something. Anyone with sense would be better off taking 10k and buying a few years old Honda or Toyota but some folks just gotta have something new I guess.
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Dec 6, 2017 01:25
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Laserface posted:Nissan are pretty terrible. the 370Z is like $50k in Australia, and its only that cheap because the $35k BRZ/86 launched and ate its loving lunch for a whole quarter so they lopped 10K off the price in some weird attempt to try and make it seem more palatable for a car with 2 less seats, not a whole lot more performance, and similar build quality. Seriously what are they thinking with the pricing of the 370Z in Australia? They want 64K for a convertible one in standard Nissan grey so I'm surprised they sold any of them!
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tobu posted:Seriously what are they thinking with the pricing of the 370Z in Australia? They want 64K for a convertible one in standard Nissan grey so I'm surprised they sold any of them! has Nissan ever made a good looking convertible? the S15, the 350z and the Murano are all loving hideous. I think the S13 might be the only good looking Nissan (datsuns excluded) convertible ever made.
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Dec 6, 2017 01:29
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Personally I don't think anything looks quite as bad as the Lincoln MKT. I haven't seen one in the wild in quite a while. 
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Human Grand Prix posted:2002. The M-Class is cool because it basically ruined Mercedes-Benz's "bulletproof" reputation overnight. There were other factors of course (the late 90s wasn't a great time for Mercedes road cars) but it was the main one. It was also in that awful Jurassic Park sequel I think. The neon green striped Explorers with the red wheels ruled, though
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Dec 6, 2017 02:52
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Hansolio posted:Personally I don't think anything looks quite as bad as the Lincoln MKT. I haven't seen one in the wild in quite a while. Yeah, it's the worst looking by far. However: it's extremely good from a passenger standpoint as a livery vehicle, and apparently it's not awful for the drivers either (way more forgiving than a Town Car in winter, obviously), according to my friend who used to drive for a limo service. So who really gives a gently caress what it looks like? I can't imagine buying one as my own vehicle, though. Non-fleet sales must be ridiculously low.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:I wish luxury SUVs didnt sell so loving well. At least the Escalade looks good. All but the first gen
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Previa_fun posted:I'm pretty sure the local Nissan dealership here was advertising outgoing model year stripper Versas for like 10k so that's something. Have you driven a stripper Versa though? I rented one once and it was a weird experience because the exterior styling is contemporary but stepping inside is like a time warp to the 80s, all the way down to the square interior plastics, hand-cranked windows, and manual locks.
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Dec 6, 2017 03:00
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Laserface posted:has Nissan ever made a good looking convertible? the S15, the 350z and the Murano are all loving hideous. The Z32 convertible was boss as gently caress.
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Dec 6, 2017 03:19
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Hansolio posted:Personally I don't think anything looks quite as bad as the Lincoln MKT. I haven't seen one in the wild in quite a while. Wow, I completely forgot about that/blanked it out. Lincoln's design language before the new continental was dreadful.
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Dec 6, 2017 03:35
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Q_res posted:The Z32
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:At least the Escalade looks good. All but the first gen While it hasn't aged well at all, the first gen Escalade was pretty decent looking when it came out.
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Dec 6, 2017 05:57
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Nissan is definitely the Chrysler of Japan, and it rings true now more than ever. I still like the styling off the Juke (I'm a broken person who likes quirky) but after having driven one I was astounded by how small it was inside. It's much less roomy inside than our Veloster yet it looks like it should be bigger from the outside. Can't say I remember the driving experience much. And Nissan has terrible "sport" trims lately, they're as bad or worst with Nismo and Spec V as Toyota is with TRD.
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Dec 6, 2017 06:00
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As Nero Danced posted:Wow, I completely forgot about that/blanked it out. Lincoln's design language before the new continental was dreadful. Some guy a few pages ago was lumping Lincoln and Cadillac in the same tier and I was like what era are you thinking of? Lincoln is still pretty much Fords with different styling. Isn't the new Continental basically a Ford Taurus?
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Dec 6, 2017 06:52
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In the same way an ATS is basically a Camaro.
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Q_res posted:In the same way an ATS is basically a Camaro. No they're much closer. The new international Taurus (no longer sold in the US) shares I believe some interior stuff as well as size and layout
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The Taurus is already pretty plush, massaging seats and what not. The Camaro is... not.
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Okay, then pretend I said XTS, XT5 or Escalade. (Audi A4 or A6, Lexus ES or I guess an Infiniti if I could keep their names straight) They're not that different from the ATS. Well, except for the part where people actually buy them. I just don't think "it's basically a Chinese-market Taurus" is a particularly useful or meaningful criticism of Lincoln's strategy. Which, frankly, looks better than Cadillac's at this point. Because Lincoln's lineup looks like it's not that different from Cadillac's, the part of Cadillac that actually sells and makes money anyway. Being American BMW didn't work. Hiring the guy from Infiniti so they could be American, Japanese BMW didn't work. To me it looks like Lincoln learned from Cadillac's mistakes.
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Dec 6, 2017 07:59
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Previa_fun posted:I'm pretty sure the local Nissan dealership here was advertising outgoing model year stripper Versas for like 10k so that's something. You can't roll your outstanding balance on your trade-in into a 10 year loan on a used car as easily as you can on a new one. Bajaha posted:Nissan is definitely the Chrysler of Japan, and it rings true now more than ever. Yup. Every lower-income neighborhood around me is nothing but new Nissans and Charger/Challengers. I have to imagine those companies know the subprime bubble is going to burst and take them down entirely, so might as well get as much money as you can now.
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:They sell well enough to keep the companies producing cool cars. The Cayenne is a license to print money for Porsche. I wish another class of car would be what luxSUVs are. Imagine how different car design priorities would be if luxury Sedans were the big ticket money makers. Or wagons, or 2+2 GTs. I know SUV popularity is reflective of road quality in the US and a self feeding loop where the more people buy SUVs the more other people feel dwarfed in their regular cars and thus have more incentive to buy SUVs, and bunch of other things but this is a hypothetical.
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Hansolio posted:Personally I don't think anything looks quite as bad as the Lincoln MKT. I haven't seen one in the wild in quite a while. There are so many ways in which this thing offends my eyes. That rear light cluster in particular is loving heinous.
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Dec 6, 2017 10:34
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It looks like someone knifed its rear end laterally.
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:Some guy a few pages ago was lumping Lincoln and Cadillac in the same tier and I was like what era are you thinking of? Cadillac’s best selling car is basically a Chevrolet Impala. Q_res posted:Okay, then pretend I said XTS, XT5 or Escalade. (Audi A4 or A6, Lexus ES or I guess an Infiniti if I could keep their names straight) They're not that different from the ATS. Well, except for the part where people actually buy them. Lincoln feels forgettable to me, but they seem like they’re good deals off-lease if you just want a nice car. And that brand likely requires way less effort than GM has pumped into Cadillac, a personally maddening brand. Take the CTS. It’s one of my favorite current designs, a great drive, and the first owner ate nearly half of the car’s depreciation. But the center stack and CUE are reminiscent of a 6-year old Android phone, except executed by General Motors.  In addition, the combined sales of the current CTS and ATS are down from the last-gen CTS, and Cadillac was beaten to the luxury crossover craze by the Germans somehow.
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Godzilla07 posted:Cadillac’s best selling car is basically a Chevrolet Impala. GM could really drastically improve their product across the entire range by developing a common infotainment system that isn’t a godamned abomination. CarPlay/AndroidPlay or whatever needs more attention both from the Automotive OEs, as well as from the iOS/Android teams. It’s like, 85% of a solution, but not quite where it should be, yet.
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Dec 6, 2017 12:58
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CarPlay is such a loving embarrassment. It’s so far away from what Apple stuff should be. It was “promising” three years ago when it was introduced but the fact they haven’t addressed its shortcomings at all is inexcusable.
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i own every Bionicle posted:CarPlay is such a loving embarrassment. It’s so far away from what Apple stuff should be. It was “promising” three years ago when it was introduced but the fact they haven’t addressed its shortcomings at all is inexcusable. I use CarPlay and it works fine? The only piece I really want is Waze. I imagine it depends on the automaker on how well it is implemented.
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Waze is amazing I love it so much. It's saved me from at least 3 tickets. Not to mention avoiding traffic jams.
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i own every Bionicle posted:CarPlay is such a loving embarrassment. It’s so far away from what Apple stuff should be. It was “promising” three years ago when it was introduced but the fact they haven’t addressed its shortcomings at all is inexcusable. Yeah, I don’t know what you’re talking about. CarPlay works fine. But I’d love to hear a list of these shortcomings.
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:I use CarPlay and it works fine? The only piece I really want is Waze. I imagine it depends on the automaker on how well it is implemented. carplay is fine, but it seems unlikely that apple will allow any map app other than waze (most likely because its owned by google) which sucks.
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The only map app available is Apple maps. This would be fine if it were as good as Waze or Google Maps but it just isn't. It rarely does traffic well and about once every six months it will notify me of an accident or police which means the feature is there but it's just never working. I can't set multiple stops on my trip either. I use Soundcloud and Amazon music a lot and neither of them have a Carplay app. When I hit "Now Playing" from the home screen it's a crapshoot as to whether or not it will actually open and let me see track information or controls or whatever. However it will always open if I open the app itself on the phone. It would be better if I could have the navigation running on the screen in the car head unit and the music app on the phone but it can only show one thing at a time on both displays because it's designed for you to never need to look at the phone when using it, but due to shortcomings you kind of do. When I open Podcasts, most of the time nothing loads until I take the phone and open it on the phone itself so that it gives it its full attention. Messages and Pandora sometimes do this as well. Maybe some of this is my fault for daring to use a two year old phone or a cheaper headunit (SPH-DA120) but all in all it really feels buggy and cumbersome and limited and not at all like an Apple experience. Most of the time I use it I need to do something on the phone itself, instead of just leaving it in the console like you'd think you'd be able to. Yeah it’s still better than most car infotainment systems, and I use it, but I’m disappointed and I feel like this is the kind of area where Apple should do really well.
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I think they're also terribly loving frightened about the liability of allowing an app over which they don't have complete control to be used while driving. Given that it's a legal problem and not a tech problem, I don't see it being fixed any time soon.
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MrYenko posted:GM could really drastically improve their product across the entire range by developing a common infotainment system that isn’t a godamned abomination. I just heard a thing where the latest GM infotainment thing will let you order a Starbucks from the touchscreen so I guess they're trying?? 
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PT6A posted:I think they're also terribly loving frightened about the liability of allowing an app over which they don't have complete control to be used while driving. Given that it's a legal problem and not a tech problem, I don't see it being fixed any time soon. There's several apps that car play runs that aren't owned by apple Amazon music Overcast (iOS 11 podcast app is trash anyway) Pandora (lol who uses this in 2017) Spotify
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And Google Play Music. GM and FCA have the best ICE imho. Which is sad but they're not as bad to deal with on a day to day basis as the choices from Honda or Toyota.
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euphronius posted:Waze is amazing I love it so much. It's saved me from at least 3 tickets. Not to mention avoiding traffic jams. I trusted Waze today and I swear to god it sent me on the worst drat most congested route possible. I guess there weren't enough Waze users on that road or something.
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TheWevel posted:And Google Play Music. I was quite happy with Toyota’s new infotainment system in the 2018 Camry. They don’t have CarPlay and use some weird janky system called Entune so that’s the downside.
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MrOnBicycle posted:I trusted Waze today and I swear to god it sent me on the worst drat most congested route possible. I guess there weren't enough Waze users on that road or something. I used Waze once and I sent me to the worst on ramp straight into a traffic jam, I was better off just checking google maps before I leave work and making a guess.
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I'm gonna take this infotainment opportunity to once again bitch about the Microsoft UVO system in my 2012 Optima, just because it insists on playing songs alphabetically by ID3 tag song title, so I edit every song to add the track number before the song title in every album before putting it on my usb drive. If I load Guns N' Roses Appetite for Destruction and Welcome to the Jungle isn't the very first song I hear you done hosed up Microsoft!
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