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RPATDO_LAMD posted:The Chinese mining farms had the advantage that you can pay for miners and electricity in RMB (which can't easily be used to buy stuff overseas due to China's strict currency controls), and then sell your bit corns for USD that you can do whatever you please with. Lol at the "strict currency controls". What rich people in the PRC do is just pay a horde of mules to each use their $20K limit to send the money. It's kinda money laundering, but banks in Canada and the US facilitate this.
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BlueBlazer posted:So what they will do is optimize their plan to take advantage of the lowest possible consumer prices available at whatever their plan specifies. Thats the thing with the Texas power plan market, you can choose among 300+ different ponzi schemes of power savings, I would think you could write a super restrictive one for certain times a day and piggy back them off each other with a pretty straight forward service switch gear. And Texas deserves them.
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BiggerBoat posted:And Texas deserves them. Watch Chinese Venture Capitalist techbros buy out ERCOT.
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El Paso is the smartest city in Texas.
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Platystemon posted:El Paso is the smartest city in Texas. Keep Austin blacked out
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Wrap it up, flying car sceptics: https://www.engadget.com/aircar-first-inter-city-flight-092852060.html https://youtu.be/a2tDOYkFCYo The terrestrial configuration looks like a Cessna mated to The Homer  .quote:As part of its latest breakthrough, the two-seater AirCar reached a cruising speed of 170km/h That's only 30% faster than the average driver on the 401  .
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Jun 30, 2021 12:44
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I can't wait to start worrying about rich techbros falling out of the sky and crashing into me.
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Jun 30, 2021 12:54
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"What do you mean *I* was supposed to make sure it was fueled? Aren't there like, people for that? What the hell does everyone do at the airport all day?"
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I was thinking about this yesterday but aren't almost all of our modern problems a direct result of the industrial revolution and our pursuit of efficiency, speed and easing our burden of labor through technology? I recognize the incredible advances we've made in medicine, transportation and construction but it all comes at the cost of pollution, global warming, privacy concerns, automation eliminating jobs, disinformation and cyber crimes on the web, and things like infrastructure issues to support it all that no one wants to pay for. I don't know too many people that feel like they have a ton of free time on their hands or that much of this is all that convenient or makes our lives easier. In fact, it seems quite the opposite where most of us are beholden to the machines and almost dependent on them. I'm not suggesting we all live in grass huts with no electricity so much as noticing that it seems like a never ending chase to finally be able to relax that never comes.
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Jun 30, 2021 13:08
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The technology isn't the problem. It's the assumption that work-saving advances need to be compensated with more work.
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Labor-saving device is really a misnomer; they should be called productivity-increasing, because Capital never uses them to reduce workers' weekly hours, or increase days off for leisure. What's that saying in cycling? "It doesn't get easier, you only get faster."
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BiggerBoat posted:I was thinking about this yesterday but aren't almost all of our modern problems a direct result of the industrial revolution and our pursuit of efficiency, speed and easing our burden of labor through technology? I recognize the incredible advances we've made in medicine, transportation and construction but it all comes at the cost of pollution, global warming, privacy concerns, automation eliminating jobs, disinformation and cyber crimes on the web, and things like infrastructure issues to support it all that no one wants to pay for. This is kind of a truism, to me. The industrial revolution was such a gigantic change to the way humans live that it was going to have a profound impact on everything. I agree with the thrust of your post, I just don't know what that gets me, I guess.
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Jun 30, 2021 14:27
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Seems to me this is just glorifying the pre-IR times. The general well being of anyone in an OECD nation in almost any metric is far better now than it was before. Prolly the few exceptions would be in environmental impact, which is a big fat negative. (OTOH the the pre-IR just lacked the ability to gently caress up the environment, it’s not like their societies were setup to avoid environmental damage)
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Tehdas posted:Prolly the few exceptions would be in environmental impact, which is a big fat negative. (OTOH the the pre-IR just lacked the ability to gently caress up the environment, it’s not like their societies were setup to avoid environmental damage) While they couldn't gently caress up the global environment, their local environments were their own kind of hell, especially in big cities.  (not pre-industrial, but the Thames was heavily polluted even before the industrial age) CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Jun 30, 2021 |
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Very few people in a modern city have worse air quality on average than someone living in a hut with a cooking / heating fire burning inside.
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CommieGIR posted:While they couldn't gently caress up the global environment, their local environments were their own kind of hell, especially in big cities. Isn’t half the reason you build on a river is to use it as a sewer?
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skooma512 posted:Isn’t half the reason you build on a river is to use it as a sewer? "Invariably good sir. That's why all the poors are downstream."  The other half is of course, communication and transportation.
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increases in population during the early modern/industrial revolution greatly increased the volume of waste dumped in the river. in preindustrial london the population was lower, and a lot of waste-producing production (think leather tanning, pig slaughtering) was also displaced outside of the city. large, large pre-industrial cities are scarce for this reason, you need a high degree of local, natural 'waste management' capacity to deal with it all, as well as a lot of labor involved in literal poo poo-pit digging and poo poo haulage to deal with the human waste. most large pre-industrial cities have a robust underclass of people whose job it is to lug buckets of poo poo for dispersal/sale for nearby farmers, or just to dump it in a different river or hole starting in the mid 18thc the population of europe especially starts to go up, and more of those people end up in cities. because the areas near cities are used for housing now and not food or agricultural/industrial production (which also generates waste) this is where cities start getting really nasty, and is the origin of tales like "medieval people threw poo poo buckets out their windows" and "medieval people couldn't drink water for lack of clean water" because the people of the 18th and 19thc didn't want to think they were living in filthier conditions than the savages of the past. but yeah, cities like london got so crowded that the thames river literally went stagnant and rotted, which lead directly to the birth of modern sewer engineering, because just crapping in pits or hoping the river would flush turds away wasn't cutting it anymore
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Tehdas posted:the the pre-IR just lacked the ability to gently caress up the environment They hosed up the environment quite a lot.  
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The technology isn't the problem. It's the assumption that work-saving advances need to be compensated with more work. Well put. But then what's the point of the innovation? Ostensibly, it's always been designed and created with idea in mind that people can work less. Even leaving work out of it, almost all of the other poo poo designed to ease the stress in our personal lives, the mundane chores we have to do or managing the things we have to do in our lives - poo poo like that. None of it seems to have delivered on that promise. Tehdas posted:Seems to me this is just glorifying the pre-IR times. I was worried about that and didn't mean to come off that way. I was more thinking about how we poo poo in our own nest by filling our oceans with plastic, our air with carcinogens and that sort of poo poo. Supposedly so our free time when we're not working frees up our time. But I don't feel it. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Jun 30, 2021 |
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BiggerBoat posted:Well put. But then what's the point of the innovation? Ostensibly, it's always been designed and created with idea in mind that people can work less. i dunno, i'm really not stressed that i dont have to carry water on my back for miles every day, live in fear of simple cuts getting infected, or worry that i've salted enough food for my family to survive for 4-6 months without nutritional deficiency
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Fair enough. But stuff like that wasn't what I was really trying to make central to my argument. I'm not stressed out about any of those things either and tried to go out of my way to point that out with examples. I dunno. Could be I'm just an old grouch but it seems to be going around.
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Just read the history of capitalism. Attributing this to technology is missing the intentionality of this system. The slave economies in the new world fueled prompted the nascent imperial powers to start finding ways to use the productive surplus being generated, which involved forcing the peasentry off land and into the cities as workers. But contemparenous to that, other nations like the various German principalities that didn't have major overseas empires until much later were also racheting up the pressure on their peasant classes to keep up, increasing the taxes and fees they charged them and leading to peasant revolts and instability. People who romanticize the pre-IR times usually forget that the feudal nobility was in charge and could easily be the reason you starved in a bad year when they took all your grain anyway, or when you died in one of their stupid wars. That's literally what Marx was writing about, how capitalism was not actually freeing people from the cycle of oppresion and the need to evolve past it. He at least saw hope in the fact that capitalist societies had interest in educating their workforces. And it's not a coincidence that things like free time, the death of employment stability and the 40 hour work week, all start to fade after the fall of the Communist block.
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Mister Facetious posted:Wrap it up, flying car sceptics: I will never understand who the target market for these is meant to be. As a car and a plane this type of hybrid is always going to be inferior to a dedicated vehicle. Anyone who has the money to properly maintain and use one of these is going to have the money to buy a better car and a better small aircraft.
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Senor Tron posted:I will never understand who the target market for these is meant to be. These people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airpark
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Senor Tron posted:I will never understand who the target market for these is meant to be. there's a shitload of credulous technology adopters out there who get wowed by new and shiny things without considering the implications see: fans of musk, elon; anyone who wants to dial up their refrigerator on their smartphone to livestream the interior contents at the grocery store
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If you already have/need a runway, and you have the money for an airplane, you can certainly get something that cruises faster than 170km/h with all the compromises of also having to be a car, and then also buy or rent a car. The plane will be much better at flying, and the car will be much better at driving. It's a nifty idea in terms of "wow, we can do this," but it ends up being pretty impractical.
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PT6A posted:If you already have/need a runway, and you have the money for an airplane, you can certainly get something that cruises faster than 170km/h with all the compromises of also having to be a car, and then also buy or rent a car. The plane will be much better at flying, and the car will be much better at driving. LBJ had an aquatic car and would terrify White House guests by pretending to lose control and driving into the Potomac. If we can get one of these to Biden and he starts driving off cliffs with foreign dignitaries in the passenger seat, I see this as an absolute win.
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Shrecknet posted:LBJ had an aquatic car and would terrify White House guests by pretending to lose control and driving into the Potomac. If we can get one of these to Biden and he starts driving off cliffs with foreign dignitaries in the passenger seat, I see this as an absolute win. This is the narrow use case for when the flying car would be good.
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no, DC is famously in a swamp. the next best thing would be to relocate the white house into the head of george washington at mount rushmore, so the the presidential flying car can egress directly through washington's gaping mouth
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PT6A posted:If you already have/need a runway, and you have the money for an airplane, you can certainly get something that cruises faster than 170km/h with all the compromises of also having to be a car, and then also buy or rent a car. The plane will be much better at flying, and the car will be much better at driving. If practicality mattered to people, we wouldn't have the level of inequality we do. Rational thinking doesn't apply here, only futurism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3j9muCo4o0 Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Jul 1, 2021 |
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Mister Facetious posted:If practicality mattered to people, we wouldn't have the level of inequality we do Right, but it's even impractical compared to normal small airplanes, which are themselves fairly impractical.
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:no, DC is famously in a swamp. the next best thing would be to relocate the white house into the head of george washington at mount rushmore, so the the presidential flying car can egress directly through washington's gaping mouth This is the future I wish we got.
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When I think “flying car” I’m not imagining a car with wings, I’m imagining the Blade Runner spinner or the Fifth Element taxi. A car with wings is way too dorky and I’m not interested 
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TACD posted:When I think “flying car” I’m not imagining a car with wings, I’m imagining the Blade Runner spinner or the Fifth Element taxi. Speak for yourself, a car with folding wings would be extremely my poo poo. Becoming a fold out rotorcraft is the only way it could be better.
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Folding wings are passé; they need to be swing wings, and come out from underneath the car. Basically I want a stretched Dodge Intrepid R/T with wings. Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Jul 2, 2021 |
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Just found out that cops are now playing copyrighted music when they do their crimes so that the videos get DCMA striked.
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Detective No. 27 posted:Just found out that cops are now playing copyrighted music when they do their crimes so that the videos get DCMA striked. Too bad Squarespace isn't crazy enough to use independent hosting for people's dirty cop videos as an advertising point.
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