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dissss posted:Which has since been replaced with this awkward looking thing based of the Ranger This is the one that is totally absolutely 100% not the new bronco they're working on, right? Also since its christmas and miracles might happen I really want ford to bring back the falcon as a four door on the mustang platform.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:It has the face of a creature that's run face-first into a glass door. It's just the Ranger front - I guess we all expect utes to be hideously ugly and don't notice it so much on them. Anyway all of the ute based 'SUV's have awful proportions   
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dissss posted:Pity the body/chassis rust was a standard feature (or at least it was until the facelift by which time the reputation was already trashed). Yeah, they were rust buckets. I don't like territories as I dislike all SUVs, and they were hilariously thristy. But more of them around, means more junkyard drivetrains for people to buy and put into better cars later.
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As Nero Danced posted:This is the one that is totally absolutely 100% not the new bronco they're working on, right? I have bad news for you that you aren't going to like. The new Bronco is very likely to be a minimum-effort mid-cycle refresh to the current Ranger T6-based Ford Everest. The latest spy photos of the Ranger prototypes around Detroit are also showing what looks like a revised bed and some front fascia tweaks an otherwise unchanged existing LHD (Chinese market?) Ranger T6.
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EnergizerFellow posted:I have bad news for you that you aren't going to like. The new Bronco is very likely to be a minimum-effort mid-cycle refresh to the current Ranger T6-based Ford Everest. The latest spy photos of the Ranger prototypes around Detroit are also showing what looks like a revised bed and some front fascia tweaks an otherwise unchanged existing LHD (Chinese market?) Ranger T6. Hey if it was good enough for the Colorado...
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dissss posted:Hey if it was good enough for the Colorado... And to that end I fully expect the next global Colorado/Trailblazer to come stateside here in a few years as that's when it's up for a refresh and GM's big SUV/CUV re-org should be wrapped up by then. I suspect the reason we didn't get the current Trailblazer stateside this time around was too many competing same-size unibody CUVs at the time and it's that certain kind of Chinese ugly that just won't fly here. There's also that huge Trailblazer-sized sub-Escalade hole in Cadillac's lineup that needs to be plugged. Given the strength of the Escalade brand, it wouldn't surprise me for GM to pull a JLR and call it the Escalade Sport.
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https://jalopnik.com/even-more-leaked-mid-engine-corvette-cad-images-show-ne-1821585349 The mid engine vette is happening, but I’m more interested in how these turbo V8s will end up in other GM products
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cool startup feel posted:https://jalopnik.com/even-more-leaked-mid-engine-corvette-cad-images-show-ne-1821585349 I’m still holding out hope that it’s not a Corvette at all, and we’re about to see a badass, $200,000 revival of the Fiero.
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cool startup feel posted:https://jalopnik.com/even-more-leaked-mid-engine-corvette-cad-images-show-ne-1821585349 Most interesting bit from that engineering drawing is that the upper intake manifold assembly looks to be a pair of air to water heat exchangers. Makes total sense from an engineering and packaging perspective on the "why didn't I think of that" level. EnergizerFellow fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Dec 27, 2017 |
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eyebeem posted:I’m still holding out hope that it’s not a Corvette at all, and we’re about to see a badass, $200,000 revival of the Fiero. The Furioso.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:The Furioso. Furiosa, the top level trim can be call Imperator.
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BigPaddy posted:Furiosa, the top level trim can be call Imperator.  
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cool startup feel posted:https://jalopnik.com/even-more-leaked-mid-engine-corvette-cad-images-show-ne-1821585349 Hhrrrrnngh those inlet pipes, I dunno exactly why they're all swoopy like that but you don't go away from circular tubes without good reason. Bet there's some batshit crazy flow optimization going on there. That or just super-tight packaging but w/e they look cool. I always wondered with air/water intercoolers, do they just use radiator water or do they have a dedicated water cooler mounted elsewhere?
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Enourmo posted:Hhrrrrnngh those inlet pipes, I dunno exactly why they're all swoopy like that but you don't go away from circular tubes without good reason. Bet there's some batshit crazy flow optimization going on there. That or just super-tight packaging but w/e they look cool. Its probably just for packaging constraints to turn them around the manifold intake pipes and still have enough clearance from the body.
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Enourmo posted:I always wondered with air/water intercoolers, do they just use radiator water or do they have a dedicated water cooler mounted elsewhere? I think they use their own separate radiator and have their own loop. Not sure it’s for cleaner parts sharing with non-turbo engines or because the coolant needs to behave differently though.
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donut posted:Surely everyone remembers Isdera already made a car called the Imperator! Periscope ruining the doorstop shape. e: \/ \/ GM commonly runs air/water intercoolers on the CTS-V supercharger. A buddy of mine put a blower off a CTS-V on his BloodBag fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Dec 27, 2017 |
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Enourmo posted:I always wondered with air/water intercoolers, do they just use radiator water or do they have a dedicated water cooler mounted elsewhere? Jeez, sometimes I think I was the only one here that was an adult in the 1990s  . Air/water intercoolers were popular back in the day.Before the rx7 or subaru hood mount air to air, it was either no intercooler or an air/water one. Back then long piping for front mount air to air was deemed bad due to lag. E: sorry to mess up my post bloodbag, I just got rambling. Yeah, supercharged cars are in a similar state. Either nothing or water/air Fo3 fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Dec 27, 2017 |
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Lots of old diesels did air/water charge cooling with the engine coolant, in that situation called an aftercooler (the terminology is a bit backwards there when you think about it). Under high boost the air is still hotter than the coolant. Much more predictable in varying weather conditions and quicker warmup, at least.
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Some typical old Corvette enthusiast got mad at me the other week for pointing out we're likely to see a mid-engine Vette and he launched into a tirade about human being euro engines, millenials and the decline of Western Civilization
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Did you mention the prototype mid engine rotary 'vette from the 70s? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Aerovette I don't think it ever worked right, but it was the first quad rotor I believe. Fo3 fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Dec 27, 2017 |
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BloodBag posted:GM commonly runs air/water intercoolers on the CTS-V supercharger. A buddy of mine put a blower off a CTS-V on his GM has a top-exit supercharger with the heat exchangers are above/beside and part of the screw casing in the LC3/LSA/LS9/LT4, along with Chrysler on the Hellcat, but doing it in an on-road turbocharged application like this is new, near as I can tell. Even with top-mount Subaru and Mazda applications you still have a pretty conventional looking heat exchanger that is separate from the intake and not part of the intake itself. Shrugs Not Drugs posted:Lots of old diesels did air/water charge cooling with the engine coolant, in that situation called an aftercooler (the terminology is a bit backwards there when you think about it). Under high boost the air is still hotter than the coolant. Much more predictable in varying weather conditions and quicker warmup, at least. Interestingly, I can find some examples of marine and locomotive turbo diesels with intercoolers built into the intake, but nothing on-road that I'm aware of. EnergizerFellow fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Dec 27, 2017 |
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EnergizerFellow posted:GM has a top-exit supercharger with the heat exchangers are above/beside and part of the screw casing in the LC3/LSA/LS9/LT4, along with Chrysler on the Hellcat, but doing it in an on-road turbocharged application like this is new, near as I can tell. Even with top-mount Subaru and Mazda applications you still have a pretty conventional looking heat exchanger that is separate from the intake and not part of the intake itself. Marine is really easy since you should have a steady source of fresh coolant at all times. V8s and V6s are packed in such a way that this approach makes sense.
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EnergizerFellow posted:Interestingly, I can find some examples of marine and locomotive turbo diesels with intercoolers built into the intake, but nothing on-road that I'm aware of. Cummins 855 camsnappers used em for a bit in on road applications, Deere liked them a lot in the 70s too (most 6404Ts had them) but they obviously didn't make on road stuff. They would've been pretty popular with farm equipment in general I'd imagine since it's one less heat exchanger to get plugged up with dust and organics. Turbo Fondant fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Dec 27, 2017 |
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Fo3 posted:Did you mention the prototype mid engine rotary 'vette from the 70s? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Aerovette There was also an aluminium-bodied mid-engined prototype in 1972, and CERV III in the 1990s: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2015/07/gms-heritage-collection-fuel-cells-evs-concept-cars-and-more/
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    Some kind of supercharged 5.2l Mustang is on the way.
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I test drove a Stinger premium yesterday. It was really solid and really good. I've only driven 2 other Kias and the Stinger didn't feel like it was made by Kia at all.
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TheWevel posted:I test drove a Stinger premium yesterday. It was really solid and really good. I've only driven 2 other Kias and the Stinger didn't feel like it was made by Kia at all. My friend just got one so I’ll be trying it out later this week.
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TheWevel posted:I test drove a Stinger premium yesterday. It was really solid and really good. I've only driven 2 other Kias and the Stinger didn't feel like it was made by Kia at all. As someone following it closely I can say there's already a service bulletin for dealers to replace the rear hatch bumpers which have been rattling, and many reports of people with the 15-speaker sound system saying the two under-seat subwoofers aren't actually working. Waiting to hear something official on that. I loved sitting in it at my local dealer but didn't bother test driving as we've been having 20 degree days this week and figured the summer tires wouldn't hold up, then this morning it snowed.
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Speaking of the Ranger... https://jalopnik.com/looks-like-the-new-ford-ranger-is-already-off-roading-i-1821660039
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So it's larger than a goddamn F150 from a couple years ago?
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BlackMK4 posted:So it's larger than a goddamn F150 from a couple years ago? A bit of hyperbole, but it's about the same size as a Colorado. Barely shorter lengthwise, the same height, a foot narrower than the 1/2 tons. CAFE works off footprint, length/width. so we'll never get anything smaller than a RCSB f-150.
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Given that the Ranger is already equipped with the 3.2L diesel that's federalized here via the Ford Transit, there's a decent chance we'll see a diesel Ranger here, but who knows. There's also still active rumors the F150/Expedition will get the JLR V6 diesel in the next year last I heard, so who knows.
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The diesel F-150 isn't a rumor, it's official. The Ranger Raptor, which is official for australia at least, is rumored to have a 2 liter 4 cylinder diesel with as much power as the 3.2
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EnergizerFellow posted:There's also still active rumors the F150/Expedition will get the JLR V6 diesel in the next year last I heard, so who knows. Considering it's a Ford designed and built engine, I'd say it's a safe bet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_AJD-V6/PSA_DT17
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Powershift posted:A bit of hyperbole, but it's about the same size as a Colorado. Barely shorter lengthwise, the same height, a foot narrower than the 1/2 tons. And that foot narrower width is a big deal in normal driving, towing, parking, cargo....
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Speaking of Fords, my company car is a new V6 AWD taurus. It's super great ergonomically, the sync works well with my phone, the car looks nice, it moves fast enough, etc. I can't buy one for the family, though, because a sedan doesn't work - how great would it be in a wagon body though! I just wish ford would bring that here. Never dreamed I'd want a Taurus.
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Mr. Wiggles posted:Speaking of Fords, my company car is a new V6 AWD taurus. It's super great ergonomically, the sync works well with my phone, the car looks nice, it moves fast enough, etc. I can't buy one for the family, though, because a sedan doesn't work - how great would it be in a wagon body though! I just wish ford would bring that here. Your wish has been answered and it's called the Ford Flex. It's the Taurus wagon you want, same platform and all, and effectively identical mechanically. Ford is looking to unload a bunch of Flex inventory too, so there's some screaming deals to be had, both sale and lease.
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Monkey Fracas posted:Yeah I don't think the Flex went over very well but it's apparently a decent family station-wagon-ey people-mover. I think people were put off by the design or something It survived for 10 years basically unchanged. Sure, it sold as many units in 10 years as the Explorer does in 1, but someone liked it enough to keep building them.
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