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nrook
Jun 25, 2009

Just let yourself become a worthless person!
I don’t play much anymore and was a breakeven 1/3 live bozo even when I did, so I’m not in a position to give anyone any advice. But that was also my take. Getting run over by the nuts is the price of getting paid by sets and overpairs.

I would have to be insanely bored and leaking to play 23s in the cutoff and even then I’d raise. I never played over 200bb deep though.

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Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
23s is useless at online stack sizes but it's awesome in position and super deep. Assuming you have the discipline not to go broke on 2 pair.

Stefan Prodan
Jan 7, 2002

I deeply respect you as a human being... Some day I'm gonna make you *Mrs* Buck Turgidson!


Grimey Drawer

Eric the Mauve posted:

23s is useless at online stack sizes but it's awesome in position and super deep. Assuming you have the discipline not to go broke on 2 pair.

The problem is your flush is worth very little and you can't even really comfortably put in 100 bb with it if you hit a lot of the times, and you're basically just trying to hit exactly an A45 board so it's pretty bad

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
If you can handread and range well and are in position, you can get away from a losing flush without losing the whole stack. And you'll take down small pots just from being in position when everyone misses. With deep stacks your semibluffs can be really strong--it's very hard to put in 250bb on an overpair.

All that's just treading water while you hunt the big jackpot, though, which is taking the whole stack off of AA (or 44/55 when they get there) or a sizable pot off AK when you hit the wheel. Certainly you're folding on the flop most of the time.

Fun hand to play in position and deep and profitable in that situation imo. Just don't play it for less than 200bb, and don't play it out of position.

Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Dec 23, 2023

MY INEVITABLE DEBT
Apr 21, 2011
I am lonely and spend most of my time on 4Chan talking about the superiority of BBC porn.

Eric the Mauve posted:

If you can handread and range well and are in position, you can get away from a losing flush without losing the whole stack. And you'll take down small pots just from being in position when everyone misses. With deep stacks your semibluffs can be really strong--it's very hard to put in 250bb on an overpair.

All that's just treading water while you hunt the big jackpot, though, which is taking the whole stack off of AA (or 44/55 when they get there) or a sizable pot off AK when you hit the wheel. Certainly you're folding on the flop most of the time.

Fun hand to play in position and deep and profitable in that situation imo. Just don't play it for less than 200bb, and don't play it out of position.

you could say this about basically any 2 cards to justify playing whatever random trash you want. doesnt make it true

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Hey everyone. Just a quick Q: who all is still playing some online poker? Are you finding it OK? A year or two ago I was convinced by a bart hanson video that online poker is essentially broken due to the ability of cheaters to cheat, but I dunno that's just one guy's opinion.

PotatoJudge
May 22, 2004

Tell me about the rabbits, George

Leperflesh posted:

Hey everyone. Just a quick Q: who all is still playing some online poker? Are you finding it OK? A year or two ago I was convinced by a bart hanson video that online poker is essentially broken due to the ability of cheaters to cheat, but I dunno that's just one guy's opinion.

I was wondering the same thing. Rumor is online poker is going to be legalized in Indiana next year (could have been this year but the guy who brought the bill that legalized sports betting got caught taking bribes). But I don't want to get into it if I'm just running into tables full of people running solvers and whatnot.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy
I mean, there's plenty of fish still around in the world market, at least at the low stakes.

MY INEVITABLE DEBT
Apr 21, 2011
I am lonely and spend most of my time on 4Chan talking about the superiority of BBC porn.

Leperflesh posted:

Hey everyone. Just a quick Q: who all is still playing some online poker? Are you finding it OK? A year or two ago I was convinced by a bart hanson video that online poker is essentially broken due to the ability of cheaters to cheat, but I dunno that's just one guy's opinion.

it's harder every year like it always has been. but you can still win at it.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:

it's harder every year like it always has been. but you can still win at it.

Back in the day people would multitable like 20 1/2 games at once and grind it out hour by hour. Is that how you're doing things nowadays, or are you playing larger stakes?

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Leperflesh posted:

Back in the day people would multitable like 20 1/2 games at once and grind it out hour by hour. Is that how you're doing things nowadays, or are you playing larger stakes?

In addition, like how much do you need a thing like flopzilla and do you have to run four tables at once?

MY INEVITABLE DEBT
Apr 21, 2011
I am lonely and spend most of my time on 4Chan talking about the superiority of BBC porn.

Leperflesh posted:

Back in the day people would multitable like 20 1/2 games at once and grind it out hour by hour. Is that how you're doing things nowadays, or are you playing larger stakes?

theres not as much traffic but yeah you still play as many tables as you're comfortable with for the highest hourly


Mooseontheloose posted:

In addition, like how much do you need a thing like flopzilla and do you have to run four tables at once?

flopzilla is the stone age now that we have poo poo like gtowizard spitting out full sims. and no you dont "have to" play multiple tables but if you want a good hourly you do

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

I've seen that several sites offer various ways to fund an account, but the concern is always whether/how you successfully withdraw. And I guess, the usual questions of security and fair games. Do you have a favorite right now?

Also thanks for answering all these questions. I feel like there's no "consensus state of the game" right now because the PitR forum is so low-traffic.

Baddog
May 12, 2001
I'm still having a hell of a time with pokerstars. Which is weird, cus obviously they used to be the biggest/most responsive.

I asked if I could just speak with one person, because when every email gets answered by someone different, the answers are all over the place. And then they just stopped responding altogether, lol.

But I think I've just lost my ~5k in tournament money when China closed. And I'm going have to use some shady rear end payment processor to get my real dollars out, cus they don't do wires or ach anymore, apparently.

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

I'ma buck you up.

Baddog posted:

I'm still having a hell of a time with pokerstars. Which is weird, cus obviously they used to be the biggest/most responsive.

I asked if I could just speak with one person, because when every email gets answered by someone different, the answers are all over the place. And then they just stopped responding altogether, lol.

But I think I've just lost my ~5k in tournament money when China closed. And I'm going have to use some shady rear end payment processor to get my real dollars out, cus they don't do wires or ach anymore, apparently.

They don’t do bitcoin? I know it seems like a huge pain in the rear end, but it’s not too bad. Withdrawal (from ignition) takes like 6-24 hours with pretty much no fees.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy

Tetramin posted:

They don’t do bitcoin? I know it seems like a huge pain in the rear end, but it’s not too bad. Withdrawal (from ignition) takes like 6-24 hours with pretty much no fees.

No? It makes no sense for Stars to do Bitcoin, they only operate inside of regulation

algebra testes
Mar 5, 2011


Lipstick Apathy
I have 2 problems

1) I'm terrible at cash games. I should stick to SNGs which is where I learned.

2 I ran good for my first 5 PLO8 SNGs so now I'm convinced PLO8 is "my game"

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Darude - Adam Sandstorm
Aug 16, 2012

Leperflesh posted:

Hey everyone. Just a quick Q: who all is still playing some online poker? Are you finding it OK? A year or two ago I was convinced by a bart hanson video that online poker is essentially broken due to the ability of cheaters to cheat, but I dunno that's just one guy's opinion.

Online poker in Ontario fuckin rocks. Alberta is currently in the process of regulating and more than likely joining the Alberta player pool which lol drunk and bored 23 year oil workers in the pool is gonna be incredible.

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