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Well, for starters, Australia hasn't become the 51st state. So we'd be jumping ahead about a decade in schedule.
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the TPP eh
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Jul 28, 2015 00:36
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Few days ago (Tim Groser):quote:''I can guarantee that we've made it absolutely clear we are not going to dismantle the fundamentals of Pharmac. The provisions that guarantee affordable medicines - we don't want to change the system of health we've got in our country so that people can get medicines only if they can afford it. Today: quote:Mr Key said despite the probability that some medicines would cost more the deal was still in the country's best interests. It looks like this meeting in Hawaii is going to be kinda big for TPP. Really glad to hear that NZ is going in willing to give away basically anything! http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/279879/tpp-key-admits-medicine-costs-will-rise
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Jul 28, 2015 00:37
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No increased access to markets for milk either
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Jul 28, 2015 00:38
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That STUIPD IDIOT SHITFUCK PRICK.
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Jul 28, 2015 00:54
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echinopsis posted:It's a free trade agreement with the world's largest economy. What's not to love Nice try Obama
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Jul 28, 2015 00:56
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If it was going to be a proper Free Trade agreement then the US would have to cut a lot of agriculture subsidies, but I think the biggest barrier will be Canada not wanting to open up their dairy market. Funnily enough, if Labours stance was implemented it would be a lot fairer for us, but the US (or the Corporations behind it) would never agree to it.
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Jul 28, 2015 00:56
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I'm just gonna go with Swampland here and say "don't y'all dare have 300 posts in a single day and it not be about John Key's horrifying demise in a hair-pulling accident." you got me so excited
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Jul 28, 2015 01:04
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It's not even about free trade. It's about empowering corporations to overrule elected governments.
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Jul 28, 2015 01:04
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Exclamation Marx posted:It's not even about free trade. Actually it's about ethics in empowering corporations to overrule elected governments.
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Jul 28, 2015 01:05
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And I'd just put Shadowrun behind me, too.
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Jul 28, 2015 01:08
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If this poo poo adversely effects my father's medication costs I will slit john key's throat.
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Jul 28, 2015 01:14
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I'm pretty sure I made it clear, you know, that patients will not be disadvantaged by increased costs. The government will weather that cost at the end of the day, and if necessary we'll raise revenue to pay for it by, uh, you know, selling Pharmac.
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Jul 28, 2015 01:17
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The last thing we need is loving longer patents. Seriously, what the gently caress. John Key is an unmitigated sack of poo poo.
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Jul 28, 2015 02:16
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Is there anyone pro-tppa? How are national loving blogs and stuff selling this as a good thing?
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Jul 28, 2015 02:49
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I don't think they are. Instead they are attacking the opponents as fringe looneys who are holding back progress.
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Jul 28, 2015 03:09
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:If this poo poo adversely effects my father's medication costs I will slit john key's throat. this sounds like a harmful digital communication to me
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Jul 28, 2015 03:39
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focal ischemia posted:this sounds like a harmful digital communication to me John Key can't feel emotional distress.
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Jul 28, 2015 03:48
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Don't worry, they just put it on Barons' tab
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Jul 28, 2015 04:08
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John Key was talking about how there are often multiple different drugs available for a particular condition, and that it just means people may have to use a different drug. That is the case, but the reason they were on the particular drug they were on is that it is the most effective one for their particular situation. Unless you pump a whole lot of extra money into the system then we will need to make do with less effective drugs. He also said that we might have to wait a 'little' longer for drugs. The way the system works in the US means that drug companies can prevent people from buying generic versions of their drugs indefinitely- they can just continue filing appeals which automatically prevent health care providers from buying the generic. Bizarrely the TPPA specifies only national drug buying programs would be effected. This is to exclude the various states that have their own similar programs- they will be able to continue buying generics as they please.
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Jul 28, 2015 05:04
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Varkk posted:I don't think they are. Instead they are attacking the opponents as fringe looneys who are holding back progress. Last time I checked Farrar was agreeing with Labour's suggestions and wanted additional IP protection in there to ensure our internet didn't get all hosed up.
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Jul 28, 2015 05:07
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newtestleper posted:John Key was talking about how there are often multiple different drugs available for a particular condition, and that it just means people may have to use a different drug. That is the case, but the reason they were on the particular drug they were on is that it is the most effective one for their particular situation. Unless you pump a whole lot of extra money into the system then we will need to make do with less effective drugs. Also changing meds is amazingly loving dangerous for a LOT of conditions. gently caress John Key.
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Jul 28, 2015 05:15
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Making do with drugs, especially when used long term like the ones for mental health is a really, really bad idea. A lot of the time, only one combination will work or is best due to it being having the lowest number of side effects for that person. Losing access to them for whatever reason is going to put a lot of formerly well adjusted people into Toontown.
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Jul 28, 2015 05:16
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I hope like gently caress he means changing from a generic to a brand name or vice versa because lol if like a tenth of the country has to come off Effexor at once.
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Jul 28, 2015 05:21
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We could be overlooking the fact that extending the patent length on drugs doesn't help us in any way yet means we have to pay lots more money to other people. Like all these points are valid, but it was never a good idea anyway
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Jul 28, 2015 05:22
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newtestleper posted:Bizarrely the TPPA specifies only national drug buying programs would be effected. This is to exclude the various states that have their own similar programs- they will be able to continue buying generics as they please. Yeah quote:The Annex applies very specifically to a ‘national health care program’ that makes recommendations/decisions about listing pharmaceutical products or medical devices for reimbursement, or the sum of that reimbursement, where these programmes are run by a ‘national health care authority’.10
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Jul 28, 2015 05:22
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Also changing meds is amazingly loving dangerous for a LOT of conditions. gently caress John Key. I would be surprised if it meant drugs we currently purchase generic versions of would be cut completely. It still means we get less bang per health-care buck, though.
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Jul 28, 2015 05:24
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newtestleper posted:I would be surprised if it meant drugs we currently purchase generic versions of would be cut completely. It still means we get less bang per health-care buck, though. exponentially less
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Jul 28, 2015 05:26
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The Pharma system in the US is so insanely hosed up lolButt Wizard posted:I hope like gently caress he means changing from a generic to a brand name It's this; stopping cheaper generics from being used. e: though there's no guarantee that they won't just stop buying certain drugs whose non-generic versions are too expensive
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Jul 28, 2015 05:26
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bobbilljim posted:exponentially less I don't think this is supported by any evidence. I would say significantly less is a more reasonable assessment.
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Jul 28, 2015 05:28
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Exclamation Marx posted:It's this; stopping cheaper generics from being used. Ah cool, thanks for clarifying.
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Jul 28, 2015 05:30
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look at the price of some generics vs branded and tell me there aren't a couple more zeros on the end then again I haven't exactly done the math, I could be wrong
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Jul 28, 2015 05:30
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bobbilljim posted:look at the price of some generics vs branded and tell me there aren't a couple more zeros on the end But an exponential increase means that increases more and more over time in a steepening curve. That doesn't sound right. Also our health care dollar is spent on many things, only part of which is drugs and medical equipment. Just take a second before you hit post to make sure you aren't being histrionic.
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Jul 28, 2015 05:37
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newtestleper posted:Just take a second before you hit post to make sure you aren't being histrionic. I liked you picked this post to complain about being histrionic, not the one about slitting John Key's throat.
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Jul 28, 2015 05:39
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newtestleper posted:But an exponential increase means that increases more and more over time in a steepening curve. That doesn't sound right. Also our health care dollar is spent on many things, only part of which is drugs and medical equipment. quote:New Zealand currently grants five years data exclusivity. The US is asking for 12. Even a compromise at eight would add $125-250 million to the current medicines budget. Biologics is a growth area, so the cost would increase exponentially over time. Kelsey, again. idk if that's true though.
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Jul 28, 2015 05:41
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Butt Wizard posted:I liked you picked this post to complain about being histrionic, not the one about slitting John Key's throat. edit: Oh fine. But you were all thinking it! WarpedNaba fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Jul 28, 2015 |
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Jul 28, 2015 05:41
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Butt Wizard posted:I liked you picked this post to complain about being histrionic, not the one about slitting John Key's throat. Barons holds up a mirror to the conscience of our nation through his posting.
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Jul 28, 2015 05:43
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please don't threaten heads of state, government, etc. on this website
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Jul 28, 2015 05:43
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newtestleper posted:Bizarrely the TPPA specifies only national drug buying programs would be effected. This is to exclude the various states that have their own similar programs- they will be able to continue buying generics as they please. e: harmful digital communications itt again
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WarpedNaba posted:Please, we all want him dead. Some of us just want him publicly executed. I personally want him necklace'd, but eh. You need mental help pal
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