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Z the IVth posted:
I have been looking to break into Yu-Jing for a bit now, you still looking for a buyer?
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Sorry for all these stupid questions, but has N3 invalidated Human Sphere in regards to sectorials and link-teams?
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Dec 22, 2014 06:18
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DJ Dizzy posted:Sorry for all these stupid questions, but has N3 invalidated Human Sphere in regards to sectorials and link-teams? No, not as far as we know. Indeed, CB has gone to some length to say that HS & Paradiso are both still valid as rulebooks. In terms of army lists and unit profiles, well, CB will be releasing a .pdf with updated costs and such sometime soon-ish (probably early January).
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Dec 22, 2014 06:21
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Oh, sweet
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Dec 22, 2014 07:44
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JoshTheStampede posted:More and more, though, it becomes a term that means "something about a game I don't like" because people realized their complaints get taken more seriously that way. Well, isn't that the very definition of a NPE though? This is the game and I don't like X. In Malifaux Perdita is likely balanced, and I've never actually lost a game against her. I still hate that bitch. I hate her in large part because winning against her is laying down on the objectives and letting the other player kick the ever living poo poo out of you until they run out of activations and you win. It isn't fun. It doesn't feel like you have any control or decisions to make other than deciding how keep her from finishing squashing your nuts before the clock runs out. If my choice is between playing against Perdita and not playing Malifaux, I'll not play Malifaux. Hence, there is something I think is beatable and likely balanced in Malifaux and my only complaint about it boils down to: I don't like it. Which seems like a legitimate position, because the point of a game is to have fun. If they game isn't fun, people won't play it. Which is why those complaints get taken more seriously. Not everyone is going to like everything about any given game. However, if there is something about a game that seems like a fair number of people would not like it and there does not appear to be any actual reason that justifies the rules being that way... then that seriously seems like the very definition of bad game design. An element of the game that is objectively bad. Perdita is arguably bad. Magic grenades appear to be objectively bad. I'm not seeing what justifies the removal of shadow zones. Seriously, does anyone have any idea what they were trying to accomplish with the removal? In general, there are a lot of things in Infinity that I'm not sure I'd say are balanced or don't actually boil down to pure dumb luck instead of skill, and I don't care because they are fun and I don't really see a better game mechanic that would feel the same. There is some stuff like the lack of pre-measure that I think is a lovely design decision but I'm basically fine with because you usually just get kicked down to the next range band and that feels a lot less un-fun than completely losing your action like other games. I'm nearly entirely certain that having someone shell you with 7 to 9 magic grenades is not going to be fun for the player getting shelled. Especially since those grenades are likely going to be aimed at the models they least want to die, like their specialists or coolest model. I suppose it is possible it could be the most fun experience ever, but I really truly highly doubt it. I'm not convinced that it not being mathematically wunderbar is valid. The split second anything changes in the game as a whole or the game state of a specific table that makes the math work it turns into airbursting 2.0. Or someone just doesn't do the math and decides to start airbursting anyways. I suppose the position that it is such an egregiously pants on the head stupid mechanic that it will clearly get an errata so lets not worry about it is more or less reasonable. Then again, CB does have a long history of making mystifying decisions. These are the same guys who keep writing deviation rules that are don't make any thematic sense and are aggressively retarded mechanically.
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Dec 22, 2014 09:00
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I liked shadow zones even before I started playing the game, so I can't put any argument there. I'm still not sure if I like the silhouette thing. I know I hate it when it comes down to mathhammering stuff and like. How you can't take termies in Kill Team because more manz = better, since you can make that 2+ save only so many times.
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Dec 22, 2014 11:49
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Comrade Merf posted:I have been looking to break into Yu-Jing for a bit now, you still looking for a buyer? Yes! Fire me an email on snip. I've got plenty of excess infinity stuff lying around if you need anything else. Cyclomatic posted:Snip By these rules can you speculative fire at figures enclosed within bunkers? Silhouette system is a good idea, coming from a modeller's point of view, as it give us freedom to convert like crazy without invalidating a miniature's function as a game piece. Z the IVth fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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Dec 22, 2014 12:01
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Cyclomatic posted:Well, isn't that the very definition of a NPE though? This is the game and I don't like X. I don't like losing. Anything I lose to is an "NPE" and needs to be changed. That's the reasoning I'm talking about. Removal of shadow zones might be a legit one, I wasn't talking about that. I was defining the term for the person who asked. I also don't agree with you about ones options vs Perdita but this is the wrong thread for that obviously.
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Dec 22, 2014 13:46
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The most awful of problems: I don't know which EVA Unit to paint my O-Yoroi as.
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Dec 22, 2014 14:08
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I've got a worse one. Nobody plays Infinity in my town/state.  I'm hyped about N3 and everyone at my LGS is just 
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Dec 22, 2014 15:10
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Verr posted:I've got a worse one. Nobody plays Infinity in my town/state. The time is right. Bring in some proxies, or just start  about how America devolved into an even more fundamentalist space crusades to fight not Klingons, cyborgs and alien werewolves.
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Dec 22, 2014 15:20
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Verr posted:I've got a worse one. Nobody plays Infinity in my town/state. Well, one dude here in denmark pretty much built the entire copenhagen Infinity community by himself. And then travelled to Jutland and did the same there.
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Dec 22, 2014 16:25
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Verr posted:I've got a worse one. Nobody plays Infinity in my town/state. 
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Dec 22, 2014 16:42
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WAR FOOT posted:The most awful of problems: I don't know which EVA Unit to paint my O-Yoroi as. They're AVA 2, have a red one and a purple one. Get an Anaconda or Scarface and paint it blue or orange to taste and field the most terrible lists possible.
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Dec 22, 2014 16:44
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Is it worth it now to bring bolts over fusiliers in a neoterran list?
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Dec 22, 2014 17:30
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Depends on how much value you put into Bioimmunity, Veteran L1, better stats and equipment for spending more points, they're a good profile if you want a stronger link team in NCA over Fusiliers. If you're just looking for linkable cheerleaders, stick to Fusiliers. Not to mention, being able to ignore LoL lets you take an aggressive Lt option (like the Squalo) in NCA and keep your link team functioning when/if it gets brought down. I think the ability to ignore retreat is a bit marginal if you're linking them thanks to the lower retreat threshold. Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Dec 22, 2014 |
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Dec 22, 2014 17:41
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DJ Dizzy posted:Is it worth it now to bring bolts over fusiliers in a neoterran list? If I played NCA, the multisniper bolt would be in every list. I've had my poo poo pushed in by a haqq viral sniper and bioimmunity seems like a good solution.
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 NEOTERRAN CAPITALINE ARMY────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1   8  0  0 FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10)FUSILIER Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (14)FUSILIER HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 19)FUSILIER (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (14)FUSILIER Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 22) AQUILA Lieutenant MULTI Rifle / Pistol, Shock CCW. (59) HEXA Spitfire / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 31) BOLT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (26)3 SWC | 195 Points Open with Army 4 Is this in any shape or form, good for learning the game?
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Dec 22, 2014 18:09
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DJ Dizzy posted:Is this in any shape or form, good for learning the game? Start with just 3-4 fusiliers with rifles to get the hang of orders/aros. Proxy these first few games with whatever. Add lieutenants and different range bands. Add in new rules that you want to play with (i.e. camo, link teams, mines) one at a time as you come to terms with the last one.
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Dec 22, 2014 19:52
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The list is OK, why the Bolt paramedic? For the same points you can throw in a Trauma Doc (14pts) leaving yourself 12pts to spare for either another model, or upgrading one and adding in a Palbot or two for the Trauma Doc. There is nothing wrong with the list though so you don't have to change it. +1 to what Bear Throne said though, much like other games, start off lower on the points scale if you're new and work your way up. Just got out of a game with a buddy using N2 profiles where I managed to rack up BS24 on a Riot Grrl link team using a Boarding Shotgun, I think his eyes were about to pop out of his head. We played the Supremacy scenario in the book which isn't a bad little one.
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Dec 22, 2014 21:22
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Veteran L1 on the Bolts also contains a little line I really like for additional sturdiness in their link teams. They ignore Isolated from both E/M and Hacking programs. So people cannot pull it apart from outside of LoF with spec E/M and the like.
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Dec 23, 2014 00:34
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Yeah ignoring Isolation is really nice on them too, they're a good profile and getting massively underrated on the forums by people who have yet to play them.
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Dec 23, 2014 00:50
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Flipswitch posted:The list is OK, why the Bolt paramedic? For the same points you can throw in a Trauma Doc (14pts) leaving yourself 12pts to spare for either another model, or upgrading one and adding in a Palbot or two for the Trauma Doc. Because I have some bolt models already  I do know the basic of the rules, having played a few games with 3 fusis and whatnot.
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Dec 23, 2014 04:02
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That seems fair then dude, I'd say go for it.
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Dec 23, 2014 04:24
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The official site is down again. Is it too much to hope for profile updates?
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Dec 23, 2014 18:52
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brother-joseph posted:The official site is down again. Is it too much to hope for profile updates? Probably too much to hope for, since word is that CB is on vacation this week.
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Dec 23, 2014 18:56
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So the best advice I have to anyone getting into N3 from N2 is to just purge N2 from your mind, 90% of the queries from my play group have been N2isms going over to N3. It's been the cause of some confusion in my play group, indirect template weapons (shotguns etc) caused some of this earlier today as they now function a bit differently.brother-joseph posted:The official site is down again. Is it too much to hope for profile updates?
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Dec 23, 2014 19:12
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Finally got some N3 action and other than the frustration of having to constantly refer to stuff game, I think the changes have done a really nice job of making combat a lot more varied. The HMG is no longer a catchall beatstick, and I actually had some real problems when getting rushed down by shotguns. Command Tokens are neat, and I like how the cheaper coordinated orders seems to get more units in action a lot quicker. Loss of Lieutenant is still a bad enough disadvantage with being as completely game crippling as it used to be. Also close combat is a somewhat more viable option now, with some of my tougher NCA units getting beaten down from enemy CC hitting 20+ in many cases. If I had any complaints it'd probably be around the odd way they've handled scatter in all cases. While I guess it could have been a bit better streamlined from N2, completely removing it in some cases, and making it a set number in others just kinda seems like a really inelegant solution.
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Dec 24, 2014 12:26
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So, a local store is hosting a learning infinity night soonish, 150 pts no linkteams (because gently caress Tohaa, right) I was thinking something along the lines of: 3 fusiliers (one FO, one medic and one LT), a nisse sniper, an akali with a combirifle, 2 auxilia and a hexa spitfire. It comes out to 149/3. Would it work, or do I need a hacker?
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Dec 24, 2014 14:32
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DJ Dizzy posted:So, a local store is hosting a learning infinity night soonish, 150 pts no linkteams (because gently caress Tohaa, right) If you're running ITS scenarios that need specialists, turning that akali into a hacker wouldn't be a bad idea. Otherwise this looks like a pretty well-rounded list.
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Dec 24, 2014 14:42
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Are you playing N3 or N2 with it? Assuming N3. But I don't think you need a hacker at 150pts. Shame you're not one more point under, you could've upped the paramedic into a Trauma Doc.Hortism posted:Finally got some N3 action and other than the frustration of having to constantly refer to stuff game, I think the changes have done a really nice job of making combat a lot more varied. The HMG is no longer a catchall beatstick, and I actually had some real problems when getting rushed down by shotguns.
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Dec 24, 2014 14:53
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How does it work in WMH?
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Dec 24, 2014 15:07
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Not a viking posted:How does it work in WMH? Important to note though that WMH only uses D6s and weapon ranges are a lot shorter, so the range bands aren't as extreme as Infinity can be. Aix Athanatos posted:If I played NCA, the multisniper bolt would be in every list. I've had my poo poo pushed in by a haqq viral sniper and bioimmunity seems like a good solution.  The ability to completely ignore E/M ammunition on Bolts is insanely good with how strong E/M is now in N3. As we see more profiles released that use E/M weaponry, Bolts only get better. Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Dec 24, 2014 |
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Dec 24, 2014 15:13
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Apparently Ariadna HI are E/M vulnerable to Immobilisation. Come on CB, seriously...
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Dec 24, 2014 16:49
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The Dark Project posted:Apparently Ariadna HI are E/M vulnerable to Immobilisation. I'm sorry your dudes are no longer immune to everything. 
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Dec 24, 2014 17:28
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The Dark Project posted:Apparently Ariadna HI are E/M vulnerable to Immobilisation.
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Dec 24, 2014 17:30
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Even 1970s tech used elevtronic circuit boards.
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Dec 24, 2014 17:39
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DJ Dizzy posted:Even 1970s tech used elevtronic circuit boards. Another important note is Ariadna troops can also be targeted by hacking attacks (with the relevant programs) and are vulnerable to EM weaponry now, but EM weaponry no longer disables weapons. If you'd like a fluff explanation as to EM attacks: quote:"Teseum is a strong, lightweight material with superconductor properties... Due to their inefficient processing capabilities, numerous impurities are introduced into the resulting alloy. Due to the impurities, the close range Electromagnetic burst triggers an inductive current in the alloy, and the impurities heat up, destabilizing and even melting the teseum alloy into joints, crippling the armour wearer until someone comes along with a blowtorch to break him out of his shell..."
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Dec 24, 2014 17:47
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I'm really displeased with how the new dispersion rules are going to affect my Netrods. Let me just roll a die WHOOPS NOW IT'S WAY THE gently caress OVER THERE.
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Deviant posted:I'm really displeased with how the new dispersion rules are going to affect my Netrods. Netrods will probably change somehow though, as I assume with Posthumans.
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