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The_Franz posted:mock them if you will, but distros like this and devuan are providing a valuable public service much like Linux threads
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FlapYoJacks posted:I'll use ext4 until the heat-death of the universe. same, my dude zfs and butterfs can take their poo poo and gtfo, I use ext4 everywhere and have literally never had to care about it at all Poopernickel fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Dec 2, 2023 |
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The_Franz posted:mock them if you will, but distros like this and devuan are providing a valuable public service actually I use regular debian, op
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Berkeley FFS has been fine longer than Linux has existed
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Soricidus posted:actually I use regular debian, op lol
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i've been using xfs for a while and it's also a fine fs
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Progressive JPEG posted:i've been using xfs for a while and it's also a fine fs xfs is good yea
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Mr. Crow posted:xfs is good yea I wish to be able to shrink a XFS volume if need be. Can XFS do this yet? ( No LOL )
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Soricidus posted:actually I use regular debian, op
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FlapYoJacks posted:I wish to be able to shrink a XFS volume if need be. Can XFS do this yet? ( No LOL ) who cares? shrinking filesystem's is inherently risky, probably slow and storage is cheap. If for some reason you need to shrink its simpler and safer to just copy to a new smaller partition anyway
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FlapYoJacks posted:I wish to be able to shrink a XFS volume if need be. Can XFS do this yet? ( No LOL ) here's a dollar, buy a terabyte
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Nah, I’ll stick with ext4 until the heat death of the universe.
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well ur gonnna feel real silly when ext5 comes out
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Mr. Crow posted:well ur gonnna feel real silly when ext5 comes out I very well may!
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so you’re saying you’d prefer the nth iteration of a quick and dirty knockoff of FFS to the real thing
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eschaton posted:Berkeley FFS has been fine longer than Linux has existed
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has anyone said failsystem yet
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Soricidus posted:has anyone said failsystem yet me, but not on purpose. apparently the way I say "file" sounds like "fail" to a great number of americans, leading to unnecessarily panicked clients asking what failed
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eschaton posted:so you’re saying you’d prefer the nth iteration of a quick and dirty knockoff of FFS to the real thing Yes
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Mr. Crow posted:well ur gonnna feel real silly when ext5 comes out no, you see they called it ext4 because they discovered it in the year 2004, the next one will be ext31
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Poopernickel posted:no, you see they called it ext4 because they discovered it in the year 2004, the next one will be ext31 cracking open the sealed vault beneath Hoover Dam to reveal the last word in file systems, ext3000
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Soricidus posted:has anyone said failsystem yet We already talked about exfat yes.
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The_Franz posted:mock them if you will, but distros like this and devuan are providing a valuable public service to me systemd seems like a culture war proxy, if someone hates systemd they probably also hate queer people and jews
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Woolie Wool posted:to me systemd seems like a culture war proxy, if someone hates systemd they probably also hate queer people and jews this seems like a really weird generalization to make. though i have no particular opinion on systemd and admittedly i have seen a fair amount of crossover between those groups
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Woolie Wool posted:to me systemd seems like a culture war proxy, if someone hates systemd they probably also hate queer people and jews I never really thought about this but it as at least a very similar brand of brain worms where anything, anywhere that changes is being 'forced on me aaaagh"
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mycophobia posted:this seems like a really weird generalization to make. though i have no particular opinion on systemd and admittedly i have seen a fair amount of crossover between those groups google image searched the systemd bsod to see what it looked like and the first result was a site called "LULZ" where people were arguing over whether gentoo was better than systemd based distros because it had runit or whether it was worse because of "Google tr---ies", plus watching linux poo poo on youtube leads to recs for youtubers with moeblob/pepe thumbnails who hate systemd and also want you to know about their awful reactionary politics
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shitface posted:I never really thought about this but it as at least a very similar brand of brain worms where anything, anywhere that changes is being 'forced on me aaaagh" the devuan weirdos who hack the systemd dependencies out of their debian fork call themselves "Veteran Unix Admins", they are absolutely hearkening back to a nostalgic and mythological past (where linux systems could be reliably booted with a pile of buggy shell scripts) and believe the changes today are being forced on them by outsiders the debian project periodically has a developer vote about systemd (e.g. https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002_results.png) that the systemd detractors lose and some of them rage quit the project, because an issue they cared about was decided by a democratic vote and they lost and they couldn't handle that
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shackleford posted:the devuan weirdos who hack the systemd dependencies out of their debian fork call themselves "Veteran Unix Admins", they are absolutely hearkening back to a nostalgic and mythological past (where linux systems could be reliably booted with a pile of buggy shell scripts) and believe the changes today are being forced on them by outsiders the early incarnation of systemd "upset" me for like a month, not because I have weird hate boner for lennart or an inability to adapt, but just because anything you've been doing in one particular way for 20 years that flips on you is, naturally, a bit of a jolt. but then I learned it and realized it was cool and good and now lol in the general direction of sysv init on the rare occasion I see it. welp, that's my systemd story
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go play outside Skyler posted:from boot to the initd gnu/linux will be free That is not much. I would also prefer things after PID 1 to be free.
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go play outside Skyler posted:from boot to the initd gnu+linux will be free
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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in other systemd news, systemd defaults are often insanely loving stupid. a friend of mine is having issues with losing desktop sessions or having konsole windows just disappear at work. i've also had a konsole disappear once or twice on me last year despite having 64gb ram and 64gb swap, but i was doing stupid poo poo with my pc at the time so i didn't think much of it, at work it's all been working fine he finally tracked it down to this https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/25376 apparently, if you run oom (because you accidentally ran teams or similar in a chrome tab like some maniac), kernel will, naturally, kill chrome but then systemd will also notice you ran out of oom and start killing the entire process tree that caused the OOM, often up to and including the x/wayland session/login manager. why? nobody knows lmfao there's systemd-oomd that already exists (and that one kicks in before kernel reaper and has, allegedly, better logic for it so it's not just a stupid redundancy), but systemd apparently also has that feature duplicated now and it's not documented on how it works or how to disable it lol
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gentoo's kde team finally added kde 6 / plasma 6 live packages, so there's some compiling going on over here! really looking forward to a new wayland experience, hope it'll be worthwhile. seems like there's some mixing of qt5 and qt6 packages still, a chunk of kde-apps/* isn't ported to qt6 yet so it seems you need to run a frankenstein of qt5 and qt6 while support are added
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