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jeffersonlives posted:Warrior got fired three different times (in 91, 92, and 96) for his poo poo and Michaels had several different planned comebacks during the Attitude Era (where he would have made shitloads of money) aborted because of his poo poo, so it's hard to say that they didn't get held back by their behavior. Shawn also got away with a LOT of poo poo.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Shawn also got away with a LOT of poo poo. So has Teddy Hart compared to his lot in life.
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Only because he's too much of a pissant to deal with. All ROH could do was not book him. So they did.
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Any conversation about the mishandling of Low-Ki needs to be prefaced with the fact that he is notoriously difficult and literally got dragged out kicking and screaming like a child from a wrestling show he was working once.
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achillesforever6 posted:Wasn't Vince pissed because he wanted Michael McGuilicutty to win it and then the Genesis promo happened and they had to give to Kaval? The winner was determined by a fan vote at the time (as a shoot) so I think it was out of everyone's hands at that point.
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John Cena posted:The winner was determined by a fan vote at the time (as a shoot) so I think it was out of everyone's hands at that point. I believe this also explained why Johnny Curtis won NXT 4, which was built around Brodus Clay.
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"You're the brokest rich guy I ever met" was the best thing Brodus ever said. It described Ted Jr perfectly.
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WeaponX posted:Any conversation about the mishandling of Low-Ki needs to be prefaced with the fact that he is notoriously difficult and literally got dragged out kicking and screaming like a child from a wrestling show he was working once. When? Where? Why? 
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budreck posted:When? Where? Why? Cross post from the Carnies thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3487630&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=42#post406760828 Complete with picture of him being hauled away.
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Did video ever get leaked of that? And thanks for the corrections on the Warrior and Michaels, though I guess I'd point out I wouldn't consider "drinking a lot" to be quite the same as "stabbing people in the back." (And were they talking about bringing Michaels back from his back injury? Because I thought that really wasn't on the table at that point.) Punch McLightning fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Oct 14, 2013 |
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Oct 14, 2013 02:16
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Rodney the Piper posted:Did video ever get leaked of that? Consider this: HBK and Jannetty were such partyboys they got cut from the 1980's WWE roster. It's not like it was a one night thing.
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Rodney the Piper posted:(And were they talking about bringing Michaels back from his back injury? Because I thought that really wasn't on the table at that point.) They had several angles in 1999 and 2000 that were supposed to lead to Michaels returning in a major capacity and ultimately wrestling, but kept getting sent home because he was impossible to work and/or unable to perform.
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jeffersonlives posted:They had several angles in 1999 and 2000 that were supposed to lead to Michaels returning in a major capacity and ultimately wrestling, but kept getting sent home because he was impossible to work and/or unable to perform. The most notable was prior to WM X7.
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Other than for his wallet, it was probably for the best. His body got time to actually heal up from like 15 years of abuse, and being sent home repeatedly likely taught him to cool off that poo poo and led to the comparatively more chill HBK we have now.
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Wow that's the first I heard of that. Do you have any details on what the rough plans were?
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oldpainless posted:Wow that's the first I heard of that. Do you have any details on what the rough plans were? I believe WMX7 was supposed to be HHH vs HBK rather than HHH vs UT.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I believe WMX7 was supposed to be HHH vs HBK rather than HHH vs UT. If I remember right, Triple H was supposed to go over Undertaker at WrestleMania but got to do the job as punishment for vouching for Shawn. It might seem odd, but keep in mind, the Streak wasn't THE STREAK yet, and early 2001 Triple H may have been the best in the world at the time.
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TL posted:If I remember right, Triple H was supposed to go over Undertaker at WrestleMania but got to do the job as punishment for vouching for Shawn. It might seem odd, but keep in mind, the Streak wasn't THE STREAK yet, and early 2001 Triple H may have been the best in the world at the time. As a fan, it really sucked being teased about Shawn coming back, only to hear about him loving up his chance. It was really frustrating at the time.
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HulkaMatt posted:This is so overblown. He's going for his cartwheel kick spot in the corner after an irish whip and Dolph just stops running and turns into it. Yeah, I always saw that as more Dolph's fault than anyone's. Just a miscommunication in the end however. Low Ki is an rear end in a top hat, but he was (and still is) a very talented dude. Seeing him get over with his in ring work alone and watching a guy like Curt Axle go down in flames says plenty IMO. I get why you'd rather have a Wade Barrett type, but give me a thousand tantrum throwing midgets over someone who can't get the crowd to do poo poo except go piss.
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Glamorama26 posted:Yeah, I always saw that as more Dolph's fault than anyone's. Just a miscommunication in the end however. Have fun getting those midgets to do a job.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Have fun getting those midgets to do a job. I'd bribe him with boot lifts.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Have fun getting those midgets to do a job. Just put them on NXT.
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MassRafTer posted:The most notable was prior to WM X7. What were the other ones? I wasn't watching at the time and didn't realize there was even talk of him coming back before he finally did return.
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Who thought up the Biker Undertaker gimmick, why did they do it, and why did they switch back to the more traditional gimmick?
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Bigass Moth posted:Who thought up the Biker Undertaker gimmick, why did they do it, and why did they switch back to the more traditional gimmick? Not sure who thought it up, they did it because everything was becoming "More real" in that time and the Undertaker couldn't be the Deadman in an era of "We're shooting, totally." It came back because they felt Biker had run its course, and as it turns out, The Undertaker is the best gimmick in professional wrestling and he can sell that poo poo to anyone, no matter the decade.
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Yeah, he was edging towards Bikertaker at the end of his last Dead Man run. Talking more and giving Learning Tree-ish promos (the Big Show in the desert promo comes to mind). Then he got storyline suspended for reasons I can't remember, and when he came back he was a biker.
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You're not a real man until you've carried a motorcycle on your back through the desert.
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DeathChicken posted:Yeah, he was edging towards Bikertaker at the end of his last Dead Man run. Talking more and giving Learning Tree-ish promos (the Big Show in the desert promo comes to mind). Then he got storyline suspended for reasons I can't remember, and when he came back he was a biker. If I recall correctly, he got legit injured in 1999 and was out for a year, wasn't he? That was why they storyline suspended him. Zack_Gochuck fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Oct 14, 2013 |
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Zack_Gochuck posted:If I recall correctly, he got legit injured in spring 1999 and was out for a year, wasn't he? Groin injury in September 99, then tore a pectoral muscle in Jan 2000 just before he was scheduled to come back at the Rumble.
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jeffersonlives posted:They had several angles in 1999 and 2000 that were supposed to lead to Michaels returning in a major capacity and ultimately wrestling, but kept getting sent home because he was impossible to work and/or unable to perform. I've never heard this/can't remember it. Could anyone elaborate further?
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Bigass Moth posted:Who thought up the Biker Undertaker gimmick, why did they do it, and why did they switch back to the more traditional gimmick? Pretty sure it was The Undertaker himself who wanted that gimmick since it's basically just what he's like in real life. Vince supposedly hates it though and it's a subject you're never supposed to bring up in front of him.
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DGib posted:I've never heard this/can't remember it. Could anyone elaborate further? Jericho's second book has a story from early 2001 where Shawn ends up passed out in the back before being fired. He also passed out from "dehydration" at his school later that year.
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DGib posted:I've never heard this/can't remember it. Could anyone elaborate further? Shawn appeared sporadically in 1998 and early-1999 around to keep him in the mix. In late-1998, he turned on DX and joined the Corporation and was named WWF Commissioner, which was supposed to lead to his in-ring return as a heel against face DX, but he had more back problems (allegedly) so they had the Corporation turn on him and wrote him out after he re-aligned with DX as a face. Then he came back in summer 1999 in the face Commissioner role, but turned heel and superkicked The Rock in a special ref role to help heel Triple H retain the title. That was supposed to lead to a Michaels vs. Rock program and Michaels's return as the top heel, but Michaels got sent home for "personal reasons" and it went nowhere. Michaels then showed back up as the face commissioner in spring 2000, ultimately refereeing the Triple H/Rock Ironman match as a way to lead to a return to the ring as a top face feuding with the McMahon-Helmsley Faction, but shortly after that match Michaels got sent home again, this time vacating the commissionership which was how we got Commissioner Foley. Then they brought him back to TV for one last attempt around the end of 2000/beginning of 2001, to build to the WrestleMania X-7 match with Triple H, but Michaels got sent home after I think like two appearances and they didn't even start the angle. Somewhere shortly after that point he went and found religion and got himself cleaned up (at least the wrestling version of cleaned up) and had his big run from 2002-10 with few problems.
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What was up with Carlito's entrance theme always being really minimal and lovely, even when they were intermittently pushing him? In contrast to literally everyone else in the company, Carlito had a vocal sample and then about 40 seconds of a really lazy Caribbean-ish loop, and then it was so short it usually repeated by the time he got to the ring. Was it just Jim Johnston being  and they never fixed it? When watching old shows from the post-Attitude era, it really sticks out, especially because they were focusing way more on real full-length songs at the time.
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Had no idea he was planned to come back this much. The only one I saw live was the one where he came back, superkicked vince and refereed the Iron Man match.
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sticklefifer posted:What was up with Carlito's entrance theme always being really minimal and lovely, even when they were intermittently pushing him? In contrast to literally everyone else in the company, Carlito had a vocal sample and then about 40 seconds of a really lazy Caribbean-ish loop, and then it was so short it usually repeated by the time he got to the ring. Was it just Jim Johnston being I've always wondered this. I think in either the 08 or 09 Rumble, it does repeat, but I could be wrong there.
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I guess Jason Sensation as HBL "dropping the ball" fits the late 98 part as HBK was off TV shortly after this promo Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmhF08jf6lQ
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Did the Road Warriors really create the idea for Zubaz? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zubaz
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Bigass Moth posted:Did the Road Warriors really create the idea for Zubaz? Yup! They pitched the idea of comfortable pants for working out.
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jeffersonlives posted:Shawn appeared sporadically in 1998 and early-1999 around to keep him in the mix. In late-1998, he turned on DX and joined the Corporation and was named WWF Commissioner, which was supposed to lead to his in-ring return as a heel against face DX, but he had more back problems (allegedly) so they had the Corporation turn on him and wrote him out after he re-aligned with DX as a face. Then he came back in summer 1999 in the face Commissioner role, but turned heel and superkicked The Rock in a special ref role to help heel Triple H retain the title. That was supposed to lead to a Michaels vs. Rock program and Michaels's return as the top heel, but Michaels got sent home for "personal reasons" and it went nowhere. Michaels then showed back up as the face commissioner in spring 2000, ultimately refereeing the Triple H/Rock Ironman match as a way to lead to a return to the ring as a top face feuding with the McMahon-Helmsley Faction, but shortly after that match Michaels got sent home again, this time vacating the commissionership which was how we got Commissioner Foley. Then they brought him back to TV for one last attempt around the end of 2000/beginning of 2001, to build to the WrestleMania X-7 match with Triple H, but Michaels got sent home after I think like two appearances and they didn't even start the angle. Somewhere shortly after that point he went and found religion and got himself cleaned up (at least the wrestling version of cleaned up) and had his big run from 2002-10 with few problems. Wow, thanks. I remember all his returns but I never knew that they were planned as jump-off points for an in-ring return. I always just thought his back was hosed and they were tossing him some non-wrestling angles because he was under contact. What could have been, huh? DGib fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Oct 14, 2013 |
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