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Even if it 'works' it's still a move made out of desperation. Anyone who believes it'll bring more native apps to winpho or increase Windows phone adoption is delusional at best.
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cisco privilege posted:Even if it 'works' it's still a move made out of desperation. Anyone who believes it'll bring more native apps to winpho or increase Windows phone adoption is delusional at best. Worked for Blackberry.
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LifeSizePotato posted:Worked for Blackberry. It's both sad and funny that MS looked at how that went for BlackBerry and was like, let's do it, this will be what saves us!
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Apr 29, 2015 18:46
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Gotta capture that 8,000 phone sales per quarter.
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Apr 29, 2015 18:48
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I stand by what I said earlier: good idea, lovely execution on BB10  Probably won't save the platform by itself, but it's a good counterargument to the main point it's always had against it (no apps)
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Apr 29, 2015 18:50
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Project Spartan's actual name revealed: (just kidding, it's Edge)
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Apr 29, 2015 18:51
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Still no new hardware for phones....
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Talking about phones now, apparently you can plug your phone into a monitor and run full Office from it?
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Apr 29, 2015 19:02
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This is legit cool.
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Apr 29, 2015 19:06
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can somebody give me the highlights? namely, have they fixed the loving music player yet?
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Apr 29, 2015 19:09
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Suspicious Dish posted:can somebody give me the highlights? namely, have they fixed the loving music player yet? No, but now you can get a good music player from Android or iOS, if the developer will put in minimal effort to do so (they won't)
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They're on to HoloLens now btw; interesting but questionably on-topic for this threadSuspicious Dish posted:can somebody give me the highlights? namely, have they fixed the loving music player yet? Updates to apps aren't really the kind of thing they cover in Build keynotes most of the time; most of them are getting a makeover for WP10 though so it'll probably be heavily different (wishful thinking perhaps)
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Apr 29, 2015 19:14
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will be able to finally play music on my nokia lumia 520
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Suspicious Dish posted:will be able to finally play music on my nokia lumia 520 I've been telling you this over and over: dude, throw away your $20 third-world phone Or at the very least stop talking about it, your investment was $20
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Apr 29, 2015 19:18
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Apr 29, 2015 19:19
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Doomsday Jesus posted:Did I miss phone hardware? You most certainly did not  Build is mostly for developers, I don't think they'd announce something like that there anyway, but it'd be cool if they did I'd rather hear nothing than "announcing the Lumia 645, the cheapest Windows Phone ever!" though
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Apr 29, 2015 19:37
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I thought Joe said they'd talk about hardware "later," but I guess that didn't mean "later in this keynote."
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Apr 29, 2015 19:37
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Yeah, they said they'd talk about hardware later. Looking at the schedule makes me think it'll be part of the keynote tomorrow morning. If they release a decent phone that will work on TMo I'll give WP a shot now.
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Drastic Actions posted:If they make tools to help port Android apps to Windows Phone, then i'm cool with it. 
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xylo posted:Are you happy with today's announcements? To this specifically? I'm indifferent. Not as bad as Blackberries "Just give us the APK ANYTHING PLEASE" approach. And seeing UIKit/Objective C running native was pretty sweet. So I'll give it a pass. About what I was expecting. But it should also be said that Amazon themselves also have the issue of getting vendors to keep their stores Android apps up to date verses the Google Play versions (and how few apps they have now anyway). So I'm not sure what this is going to solve in the long run. Sure, they'll be more apps maybe, but they'll probably end up being just as out of date as the native Windows Phone ones.  The other stuff was pretty cool though IMO.
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Drastic Actions posted:Amazon themselves also have the issue of getting vendors to keep their stores Android apps up to date verses the Google Play versions (and how few apps they have now anyway). So I'm not sure what this is going to solve in the long run. Sure, they'll be more apps maybe, but they'll probably end up being just as out of date as the native Windows Phone ones.
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Just read this article that is somewhat more optimistic than this thread has been -- basically, the move makes a lot of sense in the context of the rest of MS's moves today, including a bunch of Azure improvements and Visual Studio Code, which is a free code editor for Windows, OSX, and Linux that can support pretty much any kind of development. Basically they're trying to be more of a presence in the mind of developers (developers developers) while also making it very convenient for them to push code to all Windows devices at once.
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Drastic Actions posted:To this specifically? I'm indifferent. Not as bad as Blackberries "Just give us the APK ANYTHING PLEASE" approach. And seeing UIKit/Objective C running native was pretty sweet. So I'll give it a pass. About what I was expecting. But it should also be said that Amazon themselves also have the issue of getting vendors to keep their stores Android apps up to date verses the Google Play versions (and how few apps they have now anyway). So I'm not sure what this is going to solve in the long run. Sure, they'll be more apps maybe, but they'll probably end up being just as out of date as the native Windows Phone ones. As a user, the "Just give us the APK ANYTHING PLEASE" approach is far better, though. You don't have to care about a developer putting in the (minimal) effort to port an app. You side load the up-to-date Android version, and can bypass the developer indifference. Sure you'll have api and Play services issues most likely, but that beats the alternative MS went with, which will just continue meaning no apps rather than buggy apps, right?
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i really don't understand how they reimplemented all of uikit and google play services and don't think they're gonna get slapped with a giant lawsuit
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loquacius posted:Visual Studio Code, which is a free code editor for Windows, OSX, and Linux that can support pretty much any kind of development. Visual studio code, better known as Atom.  Okay, that's kinda unfair. it's actually more than just a rebadge of Atom, and it has some cool features. But still. 
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Drastic Actions posted:Visual studio code, better known as Atom. As long as they don't go, "What, Atom? Never heard of it before!"
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Suspicious Dish posted:Atom, Brackets, Code are basically all the same editor Hanselman says otherwise: https://twitter.com/shanselman/status/593559211369320448
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Has there been any information about SMS syncing (such as iphones ability to send and receive text messages from a mac)? I notice that my lumia 920 which I upgraded to windows phone 10 and which doesn't have a sim card will attempt to sync my text messages (although its like 20-30 minutes behind). Hopefully this will be a feature upon release as its one of the few things I truly envy about my full apple ecosystem friends. It'd be a shame (however totally Microsoft) to have Windows 10 and Windows phone 10 run the same underlying code but still be unable to talk to each other.
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clandestine cactus posted:Hanselman says otherwise: https://twitter.com/shanselman/status/593559211369320448 it even uses Electron, the shell that Atom built, as a framework
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Suspicious Dish posted:it even uses Electron, the shell that Atom built, as a framework It uses the shell, yes. But it isn't Atom. Edit (to clarify): The editor is mostly based on Monaco, the Visual Studio Online editor. clandestine cactus fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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clandestine cactus posted:It uses the shell, yes. But it isn't Atom. Code is WAY faster than Atom at loading large files, the editor component itself so much better. Too bad the rest of it isn't as good as Sublime Text, but I'm still really impressed at that editor component.
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Suspicious Dish posted:i really don't understand how they reimplemented all of uikit and google play services and don't think they're gonna get slapped with a giant lawsuit The wonders of the patent system: Microsoft likely has as many patents on what goes on in uikit and google play as Apple and Google do.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:The wonders of the patent system: Microsoft likely has as many patents on what goes on in uikit and google play as Apple and Google do. My thoughts exactly. It is weird how it all works.
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RVProfootballer posted:As a user, the "Just give us the APK ANYTHING PLEASE" approach is far better, though. You don't have to care about a developer putting in the (minimal) effort to port an app. You side load the up-to-date Android version, and can bypass the developer indifference. Sure you'll have api and Play services issues most likely, but that beats the alternative MS went with, which will just continue meaning no apps rather than buggy apps, right? The idea is that developers can easily port apps to Windows. Then, if/when Windows 10 takes off and they have millions of users, they will update Windows apps along with iOS and Android. It's a smart move if the user base is there.
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RVProfootballer posted:As a user, the "Just give us the APK ANYTHING PLEASE" approach is far better, though. Having users directly sideload apk's would have been a terrible product strategy. The announced bridges at least has a chance of working. "Windows Phone" is dead now, though.
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Factor Mystic posted:Having users directly sideload apk's would have been a terrible product strategy. The announced bridges at least has a chance of working. "Windows Phone" is dead now, though. But don't you know Factor Mystic? We've been dead all along 
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RVProfootballer posted:As a user, the "Just give us the APK ANYTHING PLEASE" approach is far better, though. You don't have to care about a developer putting in the (minimal) effort to port an app. You side load the up-to-date Android version, and can bypass the developer indifference. Sure you'll have api and Play services issues most likely, but that beats the alternative MS went with, which will just continue meaning no apps rather than buggy apps, right? Windows Phone / Windows Store has never and likely will never allow side loading. Windows Phone is exactly a walled garden like the iOS system.
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