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Pochoclo posted:Wait, I just realised... the UK doesn't have a national ID, so... wouldn't it be possible for someone to just go around voting in every polling center? What stops this? You would need to know the name and address of somebody who hasn't voted at that polling center. And I imagine you might get pulled up if a bunch of people then go to vote and can't because you already voted for them. Nothing stops people in practice from doing what you suggest but certainly anyone attempting to do so on an organized level would have difficulty, and would attract some serious heat if anyone let slip about it. Voting fraud is a serious crime. Also strictly emulating the success of the previous candidates in Middlesbrough South would mean losing 3000 votes per election except for the last one. Which, uh, may have had something to do with the Liberals losing 6000 votes more than anything else. If the Liberal vote returns as it seems to be doing across the country because people have the memories of goldfish, I would be surprised if the seat holds to be honest. Depends also where the UKIP vote goes if they even stand someone at this point. But Labour's been on the out here consistently since the seat was created in 1997. Which might, perhaps, be a contributing factor as to why Tommy boy decided to bail. He was unlikely to win anyway. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 00:55 on May 14, 2017 |
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Tower Hamlets just goes to show that you can pull of electoral fraud in the UK if you really fancy it, you just might not get away with it
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Yeah impersonation voter fraud is a thing that doesn't really happen (which is why you know that Voter ID laws in the US are super racist - the 'problem' that's being solved is ethnic minorities showing up to vote, not fraud). Where electoral fraud does happen (rare) it's either stuffing Postal votes (midlands) or straight up intimidation/corruption (Tower Hamlets).
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MikeCrotch posted:Tower Hamlets just goes to show that you can pull of electoral fraud in the UK if you really fancy it, you just might not get away with it Tower Hamlets also shows that your best chance is if you are from a minority ethnic group and the local police are terrified of looking racist if they investigate you. For the referendum, when I went to the polling station, there were two volunteers there talking about how they were going to vote Brexit. I was tempted to call the Electoral Commission and report them, but realised I couldn't be arsed. This time around, though, I'll be on the phone to some lowly temp at the Electoral Commission before I even get on the train unless I have to run for it, in which case I may need a few minutes to catch my breath.
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Yeah I figured it was something like that. And yeah, even back in my homeland, I don't think straight-out impersonation is a thing. Clientelism (vote for us or you don't get benefits) is much more widespread and also much safer if your party has been in power for decades.
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OwlFancier posted:Also strictly emulating the success of the previous candidates in Middlesbrough South would mean losing 3000 votes per election except for the last one. He increased his majority in 2015 compared to 2010. But yes, I also would be surprised if Labour holds the seat. I also think many Labour MPs will be reviewing their career options.
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I think "he increased his majority" is a little charitable given that what appears to have happened is the liberal democrats annihilated six sevenths of their vote and he picked up some of it.
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Not 'charitable' just a factual statement based on the result of 2015 compared to 2010. It's also a bit more complicated than that, unless you think it's reasonable to say that UKIP were the main beneficiaries of the Lib Dem collapse in the constituency.
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The assignment of agency to the Labour MP is the charitable part.
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Pissflaps posted:Not 'charitable' just a factual statement based on the result of 2015 compared to 2010. It's safe to say the Tories will be the main beneficiaries of the UKIP collapse at this election though, which makes direct comparisons with last time also 'a bit more complicated than that'.
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As I said earlier, we'll find out how much more effective his replacement is in a few weeks time. I've yet to receive any Labour Party literature through my door in this marginal constituency. jabby posted:It's safe to say the Tories will be the main beneficiaries of the UKIP collapse at this election though, which makes direct comparisons with last time also 'a bit more complicated than that'. It'll be safe to say that, should the general election result reflect the polling data we're seeing, the Tories are able to appeal to the far right of UKIP as well as the centre ground. Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 01:39 on May 14, 2017 |
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You need names to replace Corbyn if that's what you want from the party. You need someone in the party apparatus who can take the leadership role but no one ever mentions names.
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Lot of people seem to be crawling back to Andy Burnham. Imagine how different things could be if people had taken the leadership race seriously back in 2015.
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Grapplejack posted:You need names to replace Corbyn if that's what you want from the party. You need someone in the party apparatus who can take the leadership role but no one ever mentions names. they have plenty of names. there was dan jarvis, then keir starmer, now yvette cooper. it's ideas other than '2015 manifesto with extra racism' they don't have.
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hakimashou posted:Lot of people seem to be crawling back to Andy Burnham. Probably not at all? I mean in terms of the chances of Labour winning this election. Things could be very different but I doubt Labour's chances would be much (or at all) better
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhzG0xmy6oo Jahanskino
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you should really include his profile text so this is more than just some random making a terrible racist tweet/joke
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Who is this and why should we be disgusted? You always seem to assume that we'll know the one and outs of student /local council politics
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jBrereton posted:Remember his cringeworthy ads about being a normal chummy bloke and a "maverick" after an extended period at the top of Health? christ Wow the two faced son of a bitch! Sounds almost as bad as when jwremys crack team of pr ppl photographed him inspecting a toilet haha
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Who is this and why should we be disgusted? You always seem to assume that we'll know the one and outs of student /local council politics I think it's yet another racist Tory councillor. Doubt we'll see the press clamouring for blood like they did with Labour's "anti-semitism problem" or the SNP's "anti-English problem", despite the constant flow of this stuff from elected officials.
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Breath Ray posted:Wow the two faced son of a bitch! Sounds almost as bad as when jwremys crack team of pr ppl photographed him inspecting a toilet haha
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUFhlejY08Q She's a Champion alright. Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 09:54 on May 14, 2017 |
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Burnham seems like a nice guy, but he's also a total windsock who will do whatever it takes to win votes. He only stood out in the previous leadership election against the utterly bland Blairbots. Between the 3 of them they still had no clear vision for the party which is a big part of why they lost.
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Oh I know he isn't ideologically pure enough for us politics experts but it seems clear that corbyn is labours biggest liability
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Who is this and why should we be disgusted? You always seem to assume that we'll know the one and outs of student /local council politics I can't blame TinTower for forgetting we're not on a first name basis with every racist politician in the land.
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Emily Thornberry to Michael Fallon: ' That's bollocks'. Tsk. On the lords day, too.
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Jedit posted:I can't blame TinTower for forgetting we're not on a first name basis with every racist politician in the land. Speak for yourself 
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Breath Ray posted:Oh I know he isn't ideologically pure enough for us politics experts but it seems clear that corbyn is labours biggest liability Weathervane manufacturers use casts of Andy Burnham to check their calibrations.
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So I should be listening to Death in June to prepare myself for what's gonna happen in the general election, right?
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Breath Ray posted:Oh I know he isn't ideologically pure enough for us politics experts but it seems clear that corbyn is labours biggest liability
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Good news for Labour: Even the Express are reporting a sub-150 majority and sub-400 seats for the Tories.
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HJB posted:Good news for Labour: that doesn't seem good
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c0burn posted:Take a look at @henrymance's Tweet: https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/863682811626233857?s=09 lol
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My moneys on the tories winning 330 seats again because im a hopeless optimist
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c0burn posted:Take a look at @henrymance's Tweet: https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/863682811626233857?s=09 rekt
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Lightning Lord posted:So I should be listening to Death in June to prepare myself for what's gonna happen in the general election, right? Personally I'm listening to Burzum on a loop, but same overall idea.
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MikeCrotch posted:Tower Hamlets just goes to show that you can pull of electoral fraud in the UK if you really fancy it, you just might not get away with it Well it helps if you crowdsource it. The cleverness (for want of a better word) of Rahman and THF was that they didn't really do a huge amount of fraudulent things that could be ascribed directly to them - a bit of mild graft and influence peddling, and a nudge and a wink to the right people was all that was needed. No tedious trawling of death records or heavy lifting of ballot boxes was required, just exploitation of the family power structure in a big chunk of the Bangladeshi community.
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