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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:going fast is fun op It is, having a real snappy acceleration always makes me happy when I can lean on it and just launch or change direction quickly. I was wondering what kind of driver it makes me, I am perfectly happy to just go along with traffic and I don’t change lanes to gain small time benefits, I don’t tailgate, but if the road opens up I looooove to go way above the limit. Always have to keep in mind the locations the cops like to patrol  So far it is working out as I haven’t had a ticket in ages (knock wood)
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Yah I’m thinking I don’t really fit into type A or whatever My biggest nemesis are full size trucks which are always driven by psychotic lunatics in my area who have to follow 3’ off the read bumper and speed like idiots through school zones. How do these dipshits afford gas!?
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:I have never seen any advertising for dual motors imply anything other than "makes car go faster and gets to those speeds in a shorter amount of time". If people were honestly concerned about range like the common complaint about BEVs are then single motor would be what people would most be looking at but the lizard brain 'gotta go fast' wants dual motor because every ICE lover fantasizes about the day they will be the guy in that Nurburgring video posted above (they won't be). I think the vast majority of people who want dual motors are doing it for the "All Weather Driving" even though AWD doesn't help as much as those people think it does. When I got my ID.4, I pretty much settled for the RWD model for cost and availability reasons with the added range being a bonus. At the time (it may still exist but I haven't checked since I'm no longer in the market for buying for now), NJ had tax incentives for EVs that offered $4k for anything with an MSRP of $45k or under but only $2k for anything between $45k and $55k. It just so happens that the RWD ID.4 qualifies for the full incentive but any AWD model only gets half the incentive at most. I figured that the snow that I get in this part of Jersey or anywhere I would be traveling to wasn't bad or frequent enough to warrant paying that much more for AWD. Also, I think there was a higher demand for the AWD models and this was back when the availability of new cars was still tight so the RWD models had a slightly shorter waiting time for availability. The added range is nice to have though it's not something that I've consciously noticed. The biggest thing I've noticed with going with RWD is a much tighter turning circle which was quite a new thing for me since I've only ever driven AWD and FWD cars up until now. That could be the hardest thing for me to give up if I have to make that choice again.
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priznat posted:It is, having a real snappy acceleration always makes me happy when I can lean on it and just launch or change direction quickly. I let the ACC do its thing 90% of the time, but there are roads I take where people don't know the speed limit is actually 55+ and you always get a set of cars taking it at 45 or even 35. It's nice to just suddenly Be Fast and get around that nonsense.
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BYD Atto 3 first impressions: Seats are really comfortable, but it sounds like the passenger side one has a squeaky rub on something which could get annoying. Might just need a bit of position adjustment. I like how the gauge cluster is mounted to The steering column, so it's always fully in view regardless of wheel adjustment and your height. It has 3 shock cords across the door bin to contain whatever you put in there. The are tuned like bass strings and you can play a tune on them. Remarkably, the passenger side ones are tuned to the same notes. Reverse+360 camera is really excellent. Finger Prince fucked around with this message at 23:56 on May 12, 2024 |
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Three Olives posted:Basically the whole US transition became massive dumb political argument on both sides completely unmoored from the fact that the US is going to make a transition to EVs. Well, I have to walk that back, Fox News has seeped back into his brain as of mothers day. Apparently Biden spent $15 billion dollars on two charging stations and if we can go to space the "geniuses" designing electric cars should be able to design an electric car that charges itself when it drives like a gas car.
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Its odd that people think that China, with 4x the population of the US and the manufacturing hub of the world can only produce low-end EVs Pro-tip: They will supply everything from the cheapest, nastiest barely-a-car to Rolls Royce rivals if they think there are sufficient buyers in overseas markets Like luxury SUV EVs and 1000hp+ EV sports cars already exist from brands we've never heard of ROFLBOT fucked around with this message at 01:02 on May 13, 2024 |
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China still has the Volt in several different versions
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ROFLBOT posted:Its odd that people think that China, with 4x the population of the US and the manufacturing hub of the world can only produce low-end EVs "Made in China" is printed prominently on all of the cheap garbage that American retailers love to import, that's why Steve Jobs ensured that iPhone shells would be made somewhere else (India iirc)
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The iPhone has always said 'Designed in California, Assembled in China' I think the only ones that say 'Assembled in India' are the models actually assembled there.
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You can't one simple trick around country of origin labelling laws like that. Well, I did notice that my Tesla UMC has no indication of where it's made at all.
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I know these parts aren’t particularly Tesla friendly mostly on account of the idiot king running things but I recently got updated to the newest version of FSD 12 and it is miles better than where it was in December. Still wouldn’t trust it enough to not be ready for it to gently caress up and still wouldn’t pay 100$/month for it but just wanted to provide a single data point for everyone.
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ROFLBOT posted:Its odd that people think that China, with 4x the population of the US and the manufacturing hub of the world can only produce low-end EVs It isn't a "China can only make low-end cars" thing so much as it is a "low-end cars are by far the easiest thing to break into a new market with" one. Trying to compete directly against the Established Companies is very difficult. People are likely to be quite reluctant to buy a car with "Hongqi" on the side of it if it costs the same and has a similar feature set to a familiar name like Ford or Chevrolet or Honda - they don't have any associations with the name to give it value. People looking for a bargain and noticing that there's something smaller and a little less featured that costs $10K less? That's a place you can get a foothold in.
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:I do not deny this at all.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:hmm interesting. does it crush into a stomped-on soda can if you glance at a utility pole 
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Regarding China made EVs, what is the goonhive opinion on the Volvo ex30 coming this summer? My 2012 Volvo is on its last legs and looking to go ev for my next car.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:hmm interesting. does it crush into a stomped-on soda can if you glance at a utility pole No, BYDs are now up near the top of the Euro NCAP ratings.
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just plugging in my ev
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:hmm interesting. does it crush into a stomped-on soda can if you glance at a utility pole This may come to a shock to you, but China is capable of manufacturing high quality products. Stop stereotyping.
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Evil SpongeBob posted:Regarding China made EVs, what is the goonhive opinion on the Volvo ex30 coming this summer? My 2012 Volvo is on its last legs and looking to go ev for my next car. In summary, people like the design, the price point and the driving performance, but people really hate the lack of instrument panel and over-reliance on the central iPad for everything. Also, it’s on the smaller end of what you could actually call a SUV.
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Freezer posted:In summary, people like the design, the price point and the driving performance, but people really hate the lack of instrument panel and over-reliance on the central iPad for everything. From what I’ve seen, a lot of people are disappointed with its range/efficiency. I wonder if something more is going wrong with it too as Volvo has given essentially zero updates to people who preordered (and dealers, as far as I can tell) in the US.
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I'm hoping they're taking the time to make the software better and improve on some of the early criticisms...I hope. I like small cars and don't care much about super long range or efficiency so I've been looking forward to this car very much. The janky software has been a big cause of concern for me.
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Let's have a looksee under the hood of this here Atto 3, see what makes it tick... Hmm, yes, very electric... Also upside down for some reason. Maybe because I'm in Australia. 
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The car’s software has been buggy — the latest update killed internet access for a bunch of people — and the steering wheels buttons are poop. And the efficiency problems. Otherwise the car seems to be pretty much what it says it is: a compact SUV controlled entirely by touch screen.
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Kia Soul Enthusias posted:I'm hoping they're taking the time to make the software better and improve on some of the early criticisms...I hope. Rumors are Kia is bringing the EV3 to the states, so there might be a boxy contender.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:hmm interesting. does it crush into a stomped-on soda can if you glance at a utility pole I dont care if this is a joke, it's a dumb rear end one that frankly can be viewed as racist - besides Chinese cars actually have good to 5 star ratings these days. They arent some badly made tin cans.
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it's great that chinese cars have evidently improved their safety, but it was not that long ago that they were absurdly unsafe. I think it's one thing to come in here and accuse me of having out of date information (fair) and another to accuse me of being racist, or some weasel phrase like "could be viewed as racist," because I said a mean thing about your favorite new carElviscat posted:No, BYDs are now up near the top of the Euro NCAP ratings.
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The worry I see with a Chinese EV is the continuous integration and data feeds back to the manufacturer. That's part of the reasoning behind the attempted TikTok ban, as far as I understand it. Any Chinese company's data is going to be accessed by the CCP whenever the government asks for it, so any Chinese EV you buy is going to eventually feed every bit of its data back the CCP. And then there's all of the tensions over Taiwan. If Xi gets in in his head that the reconquest of Taiwan is worth more to his vision of the long-term health or identity of China than all of the massive economic calamity it will cause, then we have cars manufactured by a country that will be subjected to a total economic embargo. Good luck getting parts! This isn't in the same camp as concerns over Japanese cars in the 70s. The worries aren't about uneasiness caused by the country of origin's past actions; rather, it's all about what China might do in the future.
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Kvantum posted:The worry I see with a Chinese EV is the continuous integration and data feeds back to the manufacturer. That's part of the reasoning behind the attempted TikTok ban, as far as I understand it. Any Chinese company's data is going to be accessed by the CCP whenever the government asks for it, so any Chinese EV you buy is going to eventually feed every bit of its data back the CCP. But doesn't that data issue affect American cars in equal amount. There was just news about GM selling the data to brokers. There is probably better chance that a Chinese company won't sell your data to your insurer. GM stops sharing driver data with brokers amid backlash
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Frank Dillinger posted:I know these parts aren’t particularly Tesla friendly mostly on account of the idiot king running things but I recently got updated to the newest version of FSD 12 and it is miles better than where it was in December. Still wouldn’t trust it enough to not be ready for it to gently caress up and still wouldn’t pay 100$/month for it but just wanted to provide a single data point for everyone. I don't have any idea what version I'm on. I vacillate between thinking it really has improved a lot and being infuriated that, for instance, it refuses to slow down when I tell it to or when the speed limit decreases. I have a 4.5-hour trip this afternoon. I'm expecting that at some point I will rage-disable FSD. We'll see.
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Kvantum posted:The worry I see with a Chinese EV is the continuous integration and data feeds back to the manufacturer. That's part of the reasoning behind the attempted TikTok ban, as far as I understand it. Any Chinese company's data is going to be accessed by the CCP whenever the government asks for it, so any Chinese EV you buy is going to eventually feed every bit of its data back the CCP. Oh no the Chinese intelligence community might get data that western intelligence thinks rightfully belongs to them. Poor NSA might have to work a little harder e.g., to determine who thinks Palestinians are people for their weekly report to Mossad.  Saukkis posted:But doesn't that data issue affect American cars in equal amount. It’s just pure Sinophobia. Probably not OP’s fault exactly, presumably they just consume a lot of western corporate media which pushes stuff like the insane Taiwan takes constantly. The Facebook grandpa problem basically. Loucks fucked around with this message at 15:22 on May 13, 2024 |
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Loucks posted:Oh no the Chinese intelligence community might get data that western intelligence thinks rightfully belongs to them. Poor NSA might have to work a little harder e.g., to determine who thinks Palestinians are people for their weekly report to Mossad.
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Saukkis posted:But doesn't that data issue affect American cars in equal amount. There was just news about GM selling the data to brokers. There is probably better chance that a Chinese company won't sell your data to your insurer. Who do we trust less in this situation: our insurance company, or the CCP? What proof is there that in the event of war over Taiwan, the CCP won't order their manufacturers to just remotely brick any EVs sold to the US? Yes, of course that's insane and kills their entire reputation and business model for decades, but so would the invasion itself to begin with. Put it this way, I have more faith in shame over its actions affecting my insurance company than I do the CCP. I just want a nice, safe, functional 4-seater EV with 300 miles/500 km of range and a decent charging network in the US, without an overtly radical idealogue running the company, or sketchy geopolitical entanglements in its manufacturing. Sadly, for now, it seems like that's not really something available.
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Rusty posted:Wait how did Jews all of the sudden get dragged in to this? Conflating Zionists and Jewish people is gross, but the example was in reference to the recent stories about the US sharing spy data with Israel so they could more efficiently drop bombs on civilians. The point was that western intelligence is constantly doing domestic spying and they obviously can’t be trusted with that data as a counterpoint to the handwringing over “CCP” getting access to user data. It wasn’t an attempt to start a derail about Palestine. e: as for me I give all my data to Elon Musk 
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Loucks posted:Conflating Zionists and Jewish people is gross, but the example was in reference to the recent stories about the US sharing spy data with Israel so they could more efficiently drop bombs on civilians. The point was that western intelligence is constantly doing domestic spying and they obviously can’t be trusted with that data as a counterpoint to the handwringing over “CCP” getting access to user data. It wasn’t an attempt to start a derail about Palestine.
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