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loquacius posted:I mean, there is the whole "Sea Hitler's Water Apocalypse" thing where she destroyed all of human civilization... We had it coming.
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Cthulhuchan posted:Nobody deserves a future under ICP and Fieri. I've seen the future, and it is lightly sauteed, distressed, and served football style by a guy with Ed Hardy tattoos at a distance of fifteen feet. Comes with a side of Faygo jus and papas frites al debonair.
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e: ^^^^^^^^^ Dog-Jade, her ecto-daughter. Kinda hosed up! life_source posted:Hasn't the Condesce been using subliminal messaging targeted directly towards Jane for her whole life? She's 'logical'. Also, quick question: quote:JAKE: (But i do believe in you.) This was an offscreen epiphany, right?
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Bobulus posted:Jane's... daughter? Jade, probably.
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PleasingFungus posted:
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That happened during the great Act 5 2X combobob with the two screens.quote:
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Color Printer posted:Jade, probably. That's my reading of it.
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God, Jake really is just utterly pathetic. Though Janes comments about his attractiveness are increasingly hilarious.
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I mean, I don't think Jake is pathetic so much as reacting like almost any fifteen/sixteen year old boy would act. The rest of the kids, really, are pretty superhuman. I'm surprised more of them haven't had a breakdown like him.
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Grand Gigas posted:I mean, I don't think Jake is pathetic so much as reacting like almost any fifteen/sixteen year old boy would act. The rest of the kids, really, are pretty superhuman. I'm surprised more of them haven't had a breakdown like him. I think most of them have.
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Tunicate posted:I think most of them have. See, but that was funny and about Crocker bullshit. Not so much about his dad dying and his entire life and the world being taken from him.
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Someone pointed out once that Jake is basically the Token Girl character from any given pulp or comic-book story from the 70s to the 90s, but a dude. I think this update pretty much clinches that.
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loquacius posted:Someone pointed out once that Jake is basically the Token Girl character from any given pulp or comic-book story from the 70s to the 90s, but a dude. I think this update pretty much clinches that. ...right down to the unneccessarily skimpy outfit. It's perfect.
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I was imagining when Jane said "absolutely not", she meant "because i want to keep looking at your crotch", and I am amused to find that this is literally true. VVVVV Yeah, they never really seemed to underline how creepy that behavior was. Jazu fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Aug 20, 2013 |
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It kind of sucks to be Jake. I mean, it sucks to be any the kids, but it's especially noticeable for Jake right now. Almost the relationship problems he had are, despite his being a huge dork, not actually his fault; Jane refused to tell him her feelings until it was too late, while Dirk emotionally and physically bullied him into a relationship and generally acted like a creep. (Tangent, this is a reason that the whole pre-God Tier revelation session kind of pissed me off; both Dirk and Jane talked about how stupid their crushes on Jake were, but they also both put the blame on him when most of the hosed-upness of what happened was because they are terrible at proper communication (and in Dirk's case a horrible person).) As a result of those things and their subsequently going from "terrible" to "really terrible", Jake started hating himself and thinking he's such a horrible friend. Then immediately after that everything went (more) to poo poo and now Jake's being verbally abused by his brainwashed (former?) friend, who is threatening him with, among other things, sexual abuse. (Tangent again, why the hell does that keep happening to Jake? First we have Dirk's molest-o-bot, then Dirk manipulating Jake into kissing his head, and now this. It's honestly really creepy.) Basically, Jake is indeed a huge dork who needs to start thinking about other people, but wow does he not deserve this.
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Jade had her freakouts after being confronted with the horrorterrors and having to deal with Jadesprite. Rose had her grimdark phase and her drinking problem. Karkat lost it during the rendezvous at the Green Sun, and again when Dave and Terezi started dating. John raged so hard he passed out while crossing the Yellow Yard. Terezi had her Faygo-fueled fling with Gamzee. Jane had the attack of depression that led her to use the lollipop Juju. Currently, Dave is frantically shoosh-papping the mayor and Kanaya is guzzling "potions" like they're about to close the blood bank. So far, I think Roxy and Dirk are the only major characters who haven't had some kind of humiliating emotional breakdown. (Which means they're next.)
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Grand Gigas posted:I mean, I don't think Jake is pathetic so much as reacting like almost any fifteen/sixteen year old boy would act. The rest of the kids, really, are pretty superhuman. I'm surprised more of them haven't had a breakdown like him. Its just that literally every other character has more of a backbone than him. I just don't understand how he can be so stupid, insensitive and cowardly when John and Jade are both intelligent, sensitive and exceedingly brave individuals.
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Nephthys posted:Its just that literally every other character has more of a backbone than him. I just don't understand how he can be so stupid, insensitive and cowardly when John and Jade are both intelligent, sensitive and exceedingly brave individuals. I would like to remind you that Jake once experienced a mental breakdown over Fruit Gushers, and that Jade had to give her own dreamself "snap-out-of-it" slaps.
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I'm not sure if he's really reacting that much, or if it's just that most of the plot happens through chatroom dialog, so Jake is actually saying "A bloo bloo bloo." and it reads weird as hell. Actually, the four original kids never really had much conflict between them, while Jane and co's social circle frayed quite a bit over several months. Even with evil-Jade, the beta kinds probably don't feel as alienated from each other as Jake feels from everyone.
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DSPaul posted:I would like to remind you that John once experienced a mental breakdown over Fruit Gushers, and that Jade had to give her own dreamself "snap-out-of-it" slaps. Yeah, I know but that was just a silly moment for John and when things have gotten serious he's shown himself to be brave and selfless, at least twice that I can recall running into danger for people he doesn't even know. And dreamself!Jade is quite a bit different from the girl who once threw John selflessly out of danger at the cost of the own life. Comparatively we have Jake cowering on the floor at the girl who punched him while in the next room we have Roxy sassing the girl threatening to teleport her guts out and kill her repeatedly. Its fine if you think its just realistic for Jake to be acting like this, but cowardice is still a pretty negative character trait to have, and at the moment Jakes got a hell of a lot of those, hence why I call him pathetic. VVV Captain Oblivious posted:Is this where we bring the "Jake is literally brain damaged" theories back out? God no. I guess I just think he's naturally kinda dumb. John's goofy and can be dumb, but he's never struck me as actually stupid like Jake has. He's deceptively quick on the uptake and fairly insightful as shown in his birthday letters. Nephthys fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Aug 20, 2013 |
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Jane is as good at being logical as Jade is at being evil. It's been said already but it's so very cool how they avoided the typical "corrupted hero" cliches in that Jade is still herself with "evil" switched on and Jane is just completely uninhibited (in a different way than trickster Jane was) and mostly convinced herself that she's a super-logical machine woman now.
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Nephthys posted:Its just that literally every other character has more of a backbone than him. I just don't understand how he can be so stupid, insensitive and cowardly when John and Jade are both intelligent, sensitive and exceedingly brave individuals. Is this where we bring the "Jake is literally brain damaged" theories back out?
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 or  depending on your transparency preferences.Also this was totally drawn by a Simpsons/Futurama artist.
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DaveKap posted:Also this was totally drawn by a Simpsons/Futurama artist. Evil Jane (and possibly also regular Jane) is now voiced by Tress MacNeille.
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Wow, so in rereading Act 6, I'm realizing that Dirk is just as much of an abusive toolbag (I mean he means well but he's still lovely) as Bro. And gently caress, Roxy is still great, but I'm def seeing more flaws in here. Rereading Act 6 is almost like a completely different experience for me.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Roxy is the only good Beta Kid. Even Roxy can be selfish and emotionally manipulative. See: pestering Dirk about romance for years, blowing up Jane's computer and Jane apologizing to her about it, the gun that lets her nick things from her friends. She's at her best with Calliope, from whom she doesn't want anything except friendship (and vice versa), and at her worst with Dirk, because of her refusal to respect the boundaries he's drawn (exacerbated by his tendency to act like he's her parent or something, instead of her peer).
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Iny posted:Even Roxy can be selfish and emotionally manipulative. See: pestering Dirk about romance for years, blowing up Jane's computer and Jane apologizing to her about it, the gun that lets her nick things from her friends. She's at her best with Calliope, from whom she doesn't want anything except friendship (and vice versa), and at her worst with Dirk, because of her refusal to respect the boundaries he's drawn (exacerbated by his tendency to act like he's her parent or something, instead of her peer). Theres also the bit where she 'jokes' about making a move on Jake right after Janes big blowup at him. Which was an incredibly insensitive and poorly timed thing to mention to Jane.
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DSPaul posted:So far, I think Roxy and Dirk are the only major characters who haven't had some kind of humiliating emotional breakdown. (Which means they're next.) One odd thing about Jake is how very different he seems from Grandpa Harley right now. It's hard to imagine him like this.
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Nephthys posted:God no. I guess I just think he's naturally kinda dumb. John's goofy and can be dumb, but he's never struck me as actually stupid like Jake has. He's deceptively quick on the uptake and fairly insightful as shown in his birthday letters. I do love that John immediately figured out the card combining thing, and wrote a whole essay about the mathematical implications. I hope alpha John made the alpha equivalent of "Modern Times", only it was somehow all about general relativity or something.
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