USCE 2024: Macklemore Is The New Michael Moore

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zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Fork of Unknown Origins posted:

True but enforcement being performed after an election seems even worse. It�ll be interesting to see how exactly they explain it should work in the decision.

They say it's up to congress

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1764606248891170940

At long last, the pivot (he was claiming the election was stolen this weekend)

zoux fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Mar 4, 2024

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# ? May 27, 2024 01:18

AtomikKrab: Jul 17, 2010; Keep on GOP rolling rolling rolling rolling.

Its effectively what many figured would happen. Congress has the power on this not the states, no risk of a state removing anyone they don't like. Lol though that the possibility that trump wins the election and a democratic congress says "but you can't hold it, due to insurrection." is now an option.

# ? Mar 4, 2024 16:25

Civilized Fishbot: Apr 3, 2011

zoux posted:

Honestly, individual states deciding who can and cannot be on the ballot seems like a nightmare.

I agree, I think the only reasonable standard for keeping a candidate off the ballot for this reason is "actually convicted, in a federal court, of inciting an insurrection etc." Or I guess a federal-congressional decision but even that seems to run the risk of bullshit "convictions."

If it were up to the states then only a minority of states would actually have both a Democrat and a Republican on the ballot. GOP-trifecta states like Florida, Georgia, Texas, Ohio, and Iowa would remove Biden from the ballot - and Nebraska where he'll probably get an electoral college vote from one of the districts.

The real problem is that our justice system moves so slow that a man can try to broad-daylight rig an election and 3-4 years later the trial hasn't even begun yet. Defendants have rights and prosecutors need to move carefully, but if we take the electoral campaigns of insurrectionists seriously then it needs to take less than 4 years for a former President to be convicted for insurrection.

Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Mar 4, 2024

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Fork of Unknown Origins: Oct 21, 2005; Gotta Herd On?

zoux posted:

They say it's up to congress

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1764606248891170940

At long last, the pivot (he was claiming the election was stolen this weekend)

Right but when? Is it only supposed to be done via impeachment? Then why have the amendment since congress can do that anyway. Is Congress supposed to get together whenever in the process it wants to and declare someone ineligible?

# ? Mar 4, 2024 16:29

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

zoux posted:

Honestly, individual states deciding who can and cannot be on the ballot seems like a nightmare.

This was the liberal justices� concerns during oral arguments

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Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

zoux posted:

They say it's up to congress

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1764606248891170940

At long last, the pivot (he was claiming the election was stolen this weekend)

this, he has been screaming it constantly, its just because he doesnt use twitter and doesnt get his speeches covered nightly because its not the general and etc, no one bothers to do reasearch outside the poor bastards who live tweet a bunch of his stuff. Trump isnt getting college educated moderates/liberals. He might get some college educated chuds, but he was gonna get them since desantis imploded.

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shimmy shimmy: Nov 13, 2020

zoux posted:

Honestly, individual states deciding who can and cannot be on the ballot seems like a nightmare.

Isn't this already how it works? Individual states have specific ballot requirements to be on the ballot for federal elections, it's already a state issue.

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Eric Cantonese: Dec 21, 2004; You should hear my accent.

shimmy shimmy posted:

Isn't this already how it works? Individual states have specific ballot requirements to be on the ballot for federal elections, it's already a state issue.

They're usually within some level of federal boundaries though and often more technical than substantive. (Like, how many signatures you collected and when you submitted the paperwork...)

# ? Mar 4, 2024 17:00

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

zoux posted:

They say it's up to congress

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1764606248891170940

At long last, the pivot (he was claiming the election was stolen this weekend)

Trump, Interrupted

# ? Mar 4, 2024 17:01

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States have party line and independent requirements for ballot access, but they can't add additional requirements or restrictions for winning federal office outside of those required by the constitution.

This is the same reason term limits were struck down.

# ? Mar 4, 2024 17:03

lobster shirt: Jun 14, 2021

shimmy shimmy posted:

Isn't this already how it works? Individual states have specific ballot requirements to be on the ballot for federal elections, it's already a state issue.

i think specifically with this ruling is that it is not within the powers of states to enforce the 14th amendment, which was the legal mechanism colorado used to boot trump off the ballot

# ? Mar 4, 2024 17:03

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

shimmy shimmy posted:

Isn't this already how it works? Individual states have specific ballot requirements to be on the ballot for federal elections, it's already a state issue.

If Trump had been disqualified by state eligibility under state law, that wouldn't have been an issue. The problem is that the states explicitly pinned their reasoning for removal on federal law, which is something they don't get to decide.

If Colorado passed a law saying "insurrectionists don't get to be on the Colorado ballot", they would have (e: probably?) been fine. Instead, they relied on their existing law saying "people who aren't federally eligible don't get to be on the Colorado ballot", and thus ran smack-dab into the Supreme Court pointing out that Colorado doesn't get to unilaterally decide* whether someone's federally eligible or not.

This is something that nobody really bothers to stick to too closely when it's some nobody who's only running in a couple of states and openly admits they're not eligible, but there was no way it was ever going to slide against a nationally popular candidate.

# ? Mar 4, 2024 17:06

FLIPADELPHIA: Apr 27, 2007; Heavy Shit; Grimey Drawer

This is the "correct" ruling IMO, but it's the millionth example of "liberal Justices apply the law in good faith, fascist judges don't". Had the shoe been on the other foot, the liberal justices would have ruled the same but the fascists wouldn't have, no doubt.

And by extension, had Colorado done the legally correct thing and passed a law like the previous poster mentioned, then kicked him off citing it, the liberal justices might have been swayed but lol if anyone thinks the fascists would have.

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VitalSigns: Sep 3, 2011

E: wrong thread

# ? Mar 4, 2024 19:29

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Florida is currently undergoing a surge of previously eradicated diseases and increased presence of other preventable diseases after the state removed most vaccine mandates for public schools following anti-vaccine sentiment during covid.

Ever since removing the mandates and having the state Department of Health issue guidance that kids don't need a full schedule of vaccines at once anymore, the overall vaccination rate has declined by about 9% in three years.

There is now a measles outbreak in Florida and the Florida Surgeon General is being criticized for saying it was an issue of "parental rights" whether parents sent their kids with measles back to school or quarantined them for 21 days (as recommended by all major medical organizations).

Florida's health department was also recently under fire for issuing guidance recommending that anyone under 65 not get any vaccines that use mRNA technology because it may permanently mutate your DNA or cause cancer.

quote:

Florida is swamped by disease outbreaks as quackery replaces science

The state is in the grip of a measles outbreak, yet Joseph Ladapo, the surgeon general, continues to ignore medical science to stop it

Shortly before Joseph Ladapo was sworn in as Florida�s surgeon general in 2022, the New Yorker ran a short column welcoming the vaccine-skeptic doctor to his new role, and highlighting his advocacy for the use of leeches in public health.

It was satire of course, a teasing of the Harvard-educated physician for his unorthodox medical views, which include a steadfast belief that life-saving Covid shots are the work of the devil, and that opening a window is the preferred treatment for the inhalation of toxic fumes from gas stoves.

But now, with an entirely preventable outbreak of measles spreading across Florida, medical experts are questioning if quackery really has become official health policy in the nation�s third most-populous state.

As the highly contagious disease raged in a Broward county elementary school, Ladapo, a politically appointed acolyte of Florida�s far-right governor, Ron DeSantis, wrote to parents telling them it was perfectly fine for parents to continue to send in their unvaccinated children.

�The surgeon general is Ron DeSantis�s lapdog, and says whatever DeSantis wants him to say,� said Dr Robert Speth, a professor of pharmaceutical sciences at south Florida�s Nova Southeastern University with more than four decades of research experience.

�His statements are more political than medical and that�s a horrible disservice to the citizens of Florida. He�s somebody whose job is to protect public health, and he�s doing the exact opposite.�

Ladapo�s advice deferring to parents or guardians a decision about school attendance directly contradicts the official recommendation of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which calls for a 21-day period of quarantine for anybody without a history of prior infection or immunization.

It is also in keeping with Ladapo�s previous maverick proclamations about vaccines that health professionals say pose an unacceptable danger to the health of Florida residents. They include official guidance to shun mRNA Covid-19 boosters based on easily disprovable conspiracy theories that the shots alter human DNA and can potentially cause cancer � �scientific nonsense� in the view of Dr Ashish Jha, a former White House Covid response coordinator.

Meanwhile, with measles having been eradicated in the US since 2000, the disease�s resurgence, paired with Ladapo�s latest misadventure, has prompted a new round of mocking commentary. Florida: Come for the Sunshine, Leave With the Measles, opined the Orlando Sentinel; �Measles? So On-brand for Florida�s Descent Into the 1950s�, was the take of the Tampa Bay Times.

The backlash prompted the Florida department of health to publish �clarifying information� this week, in which it insisted that the stay-at-home recommendation had in fact been given to parents at Manatee Bay elementary school, and attempted to blame the media for �reporting false information and politicizing this outbreak�.

Department officials repeated the claim in a subsequent statement.

�The media has continued to peddle the narrative that Dr Ladapo has defied science in his recent letter. In reality, he has used available data and immunity rates to drive policy decisions impacting Manatee Bay Elementary,� the deputy press secretary Grant Kemp said.

�97% of students at Manatee Bay Elementary have received at least one dose of the MMR immunization. Outbreaks are occurring in multiple states, and the national immunization rate for measles is less than 92%.�

Reporting false information, incidentally, is something Ladapo is familiar with himself. He was found to have personally manipulated data in a 2022 study of Covid-19 vaccines to wrongly assert they posed an elevated risk of cardiac illness or death in young men.

To Speth, and numerous other medical experts, Ladapo�s risky succession of positions denying even the most obvious benefits of immunization and vaccination is a symptom of a wider political assault by the right wing, which carries deadly potential.

Its origins, Speth believes, lie in a long-discredited study by the disgraced British former doctor Andrew Wakefield falsely tying the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine to autism, but which was enthusiastically embraced by anti-vaxxers and other extremists in the US.

�The Wakefield study was a gross fraud, yet today up to 25% of our population believes it, and opportunistic politicians seize on the sentiment to tell people what they want to hear about the danger of vaccines,� he said.

�Republicans are at war with medical science, and that�s a horrible tragedy. But I feel like Cassandra, talking about the public health threat. We�re going to start seeing a lot more children die of infectious diseases that could be prevented if they were vaccinated.�

Ladapo has been hailed a �superstar� by DeSantis, who sidelined then dumped his predecessor, Scott Rivkees, for contradicting the governor�s position on social distancing and face masks during the Covid-19 pandemic.

Ladapo became a vocal cheerleader of the governor�s anti-mask, vaccine and lockdown decrees; and was a prominent member of Frontline Doctors of America, a fringe cluster of radical physicians that pushed ineffective medicines such as ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine as a cure for the virus.

The group�s founder, Simone Gold, received a 60-day prison sentence in 2022 for taking part in the 6 January Capitol riot.

Additionally, Ladapo was a signatory to the Great Barrington Declaration, an open letter claimed to have been signed by 15,000 scientists and medical professionals calling for a herd immunity approach to Covid, but which included a multitude of spoof names including Dr Johnny Bananas, Dr Person Fakename and Dr I P Freely.

Democrats in Florida say Ladapo�s handling of the measles outbreak is one more reason why they believe he is unsuited for a job in which he earns in excess of $600,000 a year, paid almost equally by the state and University of Florida, where he was given tenured professorship as an incentive to come.

�What�s so sad about it is it�s completely preventable,� said state senator Tina Polsky, who has been one of Ladapo�s staunchest critics.

�In a moment of crisis we need the best level-headed people to be running that department of health, and now we�re in our next crisis after Covid and we have someone who doesn�t want to follow accepted scientific guidelines in charge.

�To pretend that the vaccine is unnecessary to eradicate measles is completely illogical, because that�s the reason it�s been gone from our country. It will have some devastating outcomes, it�s going to scare a lot of people, and kids are going to be out of school, which has its own negative outcomes.�

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/03/florida-measles-outbreak-preventable

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FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

This was all entirely predictable when our governor very specifically hired this guy because he�s an antivaxx nutter and a grifter

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zoux: Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1764734752362213504

# ? Mar 4, 2024 21:34

Morrow: Oct 31, 2010

zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1764734752362213504

To be completely fair to Trump's administration, anyone in politics in DC is bouncing between uppers and downers.

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zoux: Apr 28, 2006

It was more the open kimono comment because the first Trump admin felt like being Marky Mark during that scene.

A second one would be worse:

https://twitter.com/pbump/status/1764756140548616650

zoux fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Mar 4, 2024

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Fart Amplifier: Apr 12, 2003

Morrow posted:

To be completely fair to Trump's administration, anyone in politics in DC is bouncing between uppers and downers.

No, probably not everyone in DC is bouncing between uppers and downers and there's no reason to be fair to the person administration who victimized people.

# ? Mar 4, 2024 21:58

Cimber: Feb 3, 2014

I looked at the trap, Ray!

(I looked at the RCP poll of polls and got sick to my stomach)

# ? Mar 4, 2024 22:01

Kith: Sep 17, 2009; You never learn anything
by doing it right.

Black Trump Supporters Are Being AI-Generated posted:

Donald Trump supporters are creating and sharing AI-generated images of the former president with Black voters. The photos appear to be an attempt to inflate Trump�s popularity with the Black community, which may be irreparably harmed by his ties to white supremacist groups, but the photos are nothing but fakes.

In the leadup to the 2024 Presidential Election, several of these AI-generated dupes of Black Trump supporters have popped up on social media. One image is a holiday photo depicting Trump embracing several Black people. However, it�s an AI dupe created by The Mark Kaye Show, a conservative talk show, and distributed on Facebook to over one million of Kaye�s Facebook followers. The post from November, first reported by the BBC, was not labeled as being AI-generated in any way.

�I never thought I would read the words �BLM Leader endorses Donald Trump,� but then again, Christmas is the time for miracles,� said Kaye in a Facebook post.

The image is obviously an AI fake. Trump�s hands look deformed, and the person on the far left is missing a ring finger. AI is notoriously bad with hands. Not to mention the gentleman�s hat in the back left is gibberish. AI-generated misinformation is a growing problem in the 2024 Presidential Election.

This is certainly not the first AI dupe of Trump�s Black supporters. One image of a Black man picketing for Donald Trump went viral on X in January, shared by a conservative pollster. However, it was quickly revealed as an AI deepfake when users noticed the man had three arms.

A separate account, @Trump_History45, frequently shares AI-generated images of Trump with Black people, with no labels about being AI-generated. Some of the account�s images are obviously jokes, showing Trump in ridiculous historical circumstances, including the former President posing with Martin Luther King Jr. However, comments on many of the more modern-looking posts reveal that many viewers don�t perceive these as fakes.

None of these AI-generated images have been tied back to Trump�s campaign, though the former president is no stranger to AI. Trump repeatedly claims photos that make him look bad are AI-generated, including unflattering photos from a recent golf trip that were unfortunately real. It�s a concerning tactic Trump is using more and more.

A January poll from NBC found that 16% of Black voters said they would back Trump in 2024, compared to 75% who supported Biden. Notably, Trump�s support among Black voters is modestly rising, up from 7% in 2020.

Trump�s ties to extremist groups, like Turning Point USA, might be pushing Black conservative voters to the brink, however. Turning Point represents the most extreme views in the conservative party, and also raises tens of millions of dollars for Trump. A prominent Black Trump supporter, Raynard Jackson, recently denounced Turning Point and its leader, Charlie Kirk, for their widely publicized attacks on MLK.

The 45th President of the United States recently told a South Carolina crowd that Black voters like him more now because of his indictments and mug shot. It�s one of many strategies Trump is pulling to appeal to new voters, including selling $400 gold branded sneakers.

AI-generated deepfakes have already wreaked havoc on American politics, and it�s likely only going to get worse as the 2024 election approaches. Politicians like Trump seem to be reaping the benefits of some AI deepfakes while using it as an excuse to make bad press go away.

starting to think that this trump fella isn't on the level

also it's pretty loving pathetic that he (or his followers) are stooping to this kinda poo poo

# ? Mar 4, 2024 22:36

Less Fat Luke: May 23, 2003; Exciting Lemon

LOL I love that Bill Cosby made it out of jail for that fake photo.

# ? Mar 4, 2024 22:42

Fork of Unknown Origins: Oct 21, 2005; Gotta Herd On?

zoux posted:

It was more the open kimono comment because the first Trump admin felt like being Marky Mark during that scene.

A second one would be worse:

https://twitter.com/pbump/status/1764756140548616650

Weren�t those comments pretty clearly specific to the Covid vaccine?

Still extremely stupid, don�t get me wrong.

# ? Mar 4, 2024 22:43

Kalli: Jun 2, 2001

Kith posted:

starting to think that this trump fella isn't on the level

also it's pretty loving pathetic that he (or his followers) are stooping to this kinda poo poo

Yeah, but the real trick is how are they getting those generated people to answer all those polls?

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zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Kalli posted:

Yeah, but the real trick is how are they getting those generated people to answer all those polls?

Bad weighting.

# ? Mar 4, 2024 22:51

haveblue: Aug 15, 2005; Toilet Rascal

Kalli posted:

Yeah, but the real trick is how are they getting those generated people to answer all those polls?

Deepfake voice generators

# ? Mar 4, 2024 22:52

TheDeadlyShoe: Feb 14, 2014

Fork of Unknown Origins posted:

Weren�t those comments pretty clearly specific to the Covid vaccine?

Still extremely stupid, don�t get me wrong.

The official Trump would put into office to do this thing is absolutely gonna be an anti-vaxxer and they aren't gonna limited to covid.

# ? Mar 4, 2024 22:53

InfiniteZero: Sep 11, 2004; PINK GUITAR FIRE ROBOT; College Slice

Kith posted:

starting to think that this trump fella isn't on the level

I don't think it's ai generated. I'm wearing my "a4ESKW & 50F₂₅" ball cap right now too.

# ? Mar 4, 2024 22:55

Madkal: Feb 11, 2008; Fallen Rib

Kith posted:

starting to think that this trump fella isn't on the level

also it's pretty loving pathetic that he (or his followers) are stooping to this kinda poo poo

The AI on Trump's hands looks realistic at least. Can't say the same for everyone else's hands though.

# ? Mar 4, 2024 23:02

Kith: Sep 17, 2009; You never learn anything
by doing it right.

Kalli posted:

Yeah, but the real trick is how are they getting those generated people to answer all those polls?

according to fox, by selling them sneakers

# ? Mar 4, 2024 23:12

Inglonias: Mar 7, 2013; I WILL PUT THIS FLAG ON FREAKING EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT IS SYMBOLIC AS HELL SOMEHOW

Cimber posted:

I looked at the trap, Ray!

(I looked at the RCP poll of polls and got sick to my stomach)

Yeah, I think reading the news ruined the calm I somehow managed to cultivate today as well

# ? Mar 4, 2024 23:27

volts5000: Apr 7, 2009; It's electric. Boogie woogie woogie.

Kith posted:

starting to think that this trump fella isn't on the level

also it's pretty loving pathetic that he (or his followers) are stooping to this kinda poo poo

This one looks like they gave Trump tits

https://x.com/joncoopertweets/status/1764707357450207283?s=46&t=ziKKPUah_WmpOgrzym-sFg

# ? Mar 4, 2024 23:53

Kith: Sep 17, 2009; You never learn anything
by doing it right.

volts5000 posted:

This one looks like they gave Trump tits

https://x.com/joncoopertweets/status/1764707357450207283?s=46&t=ziKKPUah_WmpOgrzym-sFg

bruh his hand look like pig feet

# ? Mar 5, 2024 00:17

RBA Starblade: Apr 28, 2008; Going Home.

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What word do you suppose they put into the ai prompt to describe Trump's hands?

# ? Mar 5, 2024 00:30

Velocity Raptor: Jul 27, 2007; I MADE A PROMISE
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RBA Starblade posted:

What word do you suppose they put into the ai prompt to describe Trump's hands?

"Penguin" apparently.

# ? Mar 5, 2024 00:37

PharmerBoy: Jul 21, 2008

"Big, big hands, the best hands, beautiful big league hands, tremendous hands"

# ? Mar 5, 2024 00:38

Fuschia tude: Dec 26, 2004; THUNDERDOME LOSER 2019

Madkal posted:

The AI on Trump's hands looks realistic at least. Can't say the same for everyone else's hands though.

Oh wow, somehow I never noticed his left hand was webbed and his right was melting like a candle. :sad:

# ? Mar 5, 2024 00:53

Eregos: Aug 17, 2006; A Reversal of Fortune, Perhaps?

With all the rumors about Trump being a drug abuser, it shows how vapid our political culture is people watch a 2 hour incoherent manic rant filled with forgetfulness and apparently say 'wow how presidential', but simultaneously can't stand that Biden is old and looks like it. Biden should drop out, but if he doesn't, I'm willing to take the ethically ambiguous step, given the stakes, of recommending he take drugs to amp up his public performance. Realistically, the other guy is already doing it. It's unhealthy yes, but our political culture is really this vapid people are conned by it.

Not my favorite source but Rolling stone has some reporting on Trump administration drug abuse. Given the fish rots from head down, seems to me rather safe bet Trump is on a lot of poo poo to keep his campaign going at this point. Interested in other good reporting, haven't looked much into it.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-white-house-drugs-speed-xanax-1234979503/

edit; I see you guys beat me to it actually on the Rolling Stone piece.

Eregos fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Mar 5, 2024

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# ? May 27, 2024 01:18

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Eregos posted:

With all the rumors about Trump being a drug abuser, it shows how vapid our political culture is people watch a 2 hour incoherent manic rant filled with forgetfulness and apparently say 'wow how presidential', but simultaneously can't stand that Biden is old and looks like it. Biden should drop out, but if he doesn't, I'm willing to take the ethically ambiguous step, given the stakes, of recommending he take drugs to amp up his public performance. Realistically, the other guy is already doing it. It's unhealthy yes, but our political culture is really this vapid people are conned by it.

Not my favorite source but Rolling stone has some reporting on Trump administration drug abuse. Given the fish rots from head down, seems to me rather safe bet Trump is on a lot of poo poo to keep his campaign going at this point. Interested in other good reporting, haven't looked much into it.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-white-house-drugs-speed-xanax-1234979503/

edit; I see you guys beat me to it actually on the Rolling Stone piece.

Adderral and Xanax aren't real drugs according to a lot of people. If you described someone as a "drug abuser" because they took adderral and Xanax every day without a prescription, a lot of people wouldn't think you were being fair.

Given all of Trump's other behavior that didn't move anyone, I doubt popping Adderral and Xanax every day would bother anyone who is on the Trump train.

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