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it is a bad practice to combine those two types of data!
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Clarence posted:Appendix A : Why did they detach a single platoon for training? Cavalry disentangling from a fight is still bizzare to me; how do you do that when you're in the middle of a mass of dudes trying to stab you? Related: has anyone ever described what an aftermath of a charge looks like? I bet lance wounds would be horrific and quite a few dudes would have been beaten to pulp by all the hooves and general pushing about.
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Disinterested posted:I think this is actually very wrong. The problem though is that a lot of the local 'support' for Desert Storm would have possibly vanished if the US pushed for regime change in 1991. You'd still have the issue of a power struggle and the KSA would likely not have supported the probable end result of a democratic election. Less civil damage from sanctions, but likely more from the military effort to depose Saddam.
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Jun 27, 2018 16:25
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Taerkar posted:The problem though is that a lot of the local 'support' for Desert Storm would have possibly vanished if the US pushed for regime change in 1991. Exactly this. Taking Kuwait was one thing, taking and holding Iraq was another matter entirely.
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Jun 27, 2018 16:28
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Taerkar posted:The problem though is that a lot of the local 'support' for Desert Storm would have possibly vanished if the US pushed for regime change in 1991. You'd still have the issue of a power struggle and the KSA would likely not have supported the probable end result of a democratic election. That seems to be an even bigger veer toward wrong given opposition groups rose up in 91 partly as a result of US urging only to be destroyed without help.
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Does anyone know anything about this channel? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0H1WgsMrfU It's pretty popular but also it's mostly about WWII so I don't want to let a Wehrmacht apologist in my brain. Browsing his videos he did do a video about why he's so negative about the Wehrmacht, but he put that down to his academic tradition focusing on failures and missteps
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Jun 27, 2018 16:53
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Disinterested posted:That seems to be an even bigger veer toward wrong given opposition groups rose up in 91 partly as a result of US urging only to be destroyed without help. Opposition groups also supported the 2003 invasion, for example the Peshmerga in Iraqi Kurdistan, but this did not make the subsequent occupation successful.
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Jun 27, 2018 16:57
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Cessna posted:Opposition groups also supported the 2003 invasion, for example the Peshmerga in Iraqi Kurdistan, but this did not make the subsequent occupation successful. I didn't say it would be successful but the original claim being addressed is that an occupation in 91 wouldn't be very different to 03, which seems remote. Also, those opposition groups were in much worse shape, as was Iraqi society as a whole.
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Jun 27, 2018 16:59
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don't post your dildos here
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Disinterested posted:I didn't say it would be successful but the original claim being addressed is that an occupation in 91 wouldn't be very different to 03, which seems remote. Also, those opposition groups were in much worse shape, as was Iraqi society as a whole. With no snark, you think an occupation in '91 would have gone better? This is, of course, all hypothetical and there is no definitive answer. But as someone who was there in '91, I think an attempt at an occupation would have gone very, very badly.
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I think it's possible that a US overthrow of Saddam in 1991 would have both gone better for Iraq and worse for the US.
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Cessna posted:With no snark, you think an occupation in '91 would have gone better? I think we've been staring at the worst case scenario so the bar isn't exactly much to clear.
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Jun 27, 2018 17:56
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There were viable chemical weapons back in 1991.
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Jun 27, 2018 18:14
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aphid_licker posted:Where does the first line go when the second wants to charge? Off to the side? Often, yes. The second line could also open up gaps in its line--or even form into squadron columns--and allow the first line to pass through, though if the first line was obviously routed it could take good officering for the second line to form for its own charge afterwards. This is for dealing with other cavalry or infantry in line, incidentally. If given a chance to charge artillery without interference, cavalry generally advanced in a more open formation, for obvious reasons. Trying to crack competently officered infantry in square with just cavalry was generally an awful idea, but if you had to do it you charged in a column of squadrons against a corner of the square.
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From Bloke on the Range: quote:Doing a bit of prepwork over lunch for what I'll likely film tomorrow evening after work (from a vantage point on the first fold of the Jura Mountains looking towards the Alps), and I came across this graph showing the calorie count per person in 1944 in a variety of European countries. Only Britain, Hungary and Sweden manage to attain or exceed the 2400 calories they're using as a baseline. Switzerland isn't doing too badly compared to most (which is not bad for a country that pre-WW2 was importing somewhere in the region of 70% of food), but Norway is running under 1200 calories!
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Jun 27, 2018 18:32
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From the word Kalorienzuteilung I would assume that that graph shows intended rations and not actual eating. So, it would exclude unplanned shortages and people eating non-rationed food. You would need to dig deeper into the sources to conclude anything at all.
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Jun 27, 2018 18:40
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tonberrytoby posted:From the word Kalorienzuteilung I would assume that that graph shows intended rations and not actual eating. So, it would exclude unplanned shortages and people eating non-rationed food. I went and actually let him know about this.  
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zoux posted:Does anyone know anything about this channel? Seems legit so far, though the opening seems to make out Napoleon despite his fantastic analytic mind and memory kind of did everything himself when in real life he got a lot of assistance from Berthier and an experimental HQ military staff model he adapted from late Bourbon experiments. This is mentioned a little bit later in passing but not stressed enough.
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Jun 27, 2018 19:08
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Berthier was the poo poo
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SeanBeansShako posted:Seems legit so far, though the opening seems to make out Napoleon despite his fantastic analytic mind and memory kind of did everything himself when in real life he got a lot of assistance from Berthier and an experimental HQ military staff model he adapted from late Bourbon experiments. This is mentioned a little bit later in passing but not stressed enough. That's fine, I can deal with quibbles over detail I'm just worried about getting into the thing and finding out he's a white supremacist or something. Gotta be careful on Youtube!
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Of course, of course Hitler had a vision for a new rail gauge that would be more than twice the contemporary standard. In 1942! Ah, to be the Reichsbahn chief those days... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitspurbahn
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Nenonen posted:Of course, of course Hitler had a vision for a new rail gauge that would be more than twice the contemporary standard. In 1942! Ah, to be the Reichsbahn chief those days... i like the guys who were very sensibly like "hey what if we just build four-track standard gauge main lines"
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[quote="“chitoryu12”" post="“485523974”"] I went and actually let him know about this. [/quote] How do they measure non-rationed calories though? Legibility is going to be a major complication considering the extent of black markets. I watched a documentary about Japan post-war, and in protest of the rationing system a professor ate nothing but his official ration. He died after a couple months.
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The Cubelodyte posted:Never heard about this. OK, so Goering thanks to being the #2 man in the Third Reich became staggeringly wealthy, which he added to by taking the good poo poo from Jews/other undesirables and keeping it, a pattern he kept throughout World War 2 His enormous mansion, Kairnhall (his deceased first wife was named Kairn) was just chockablock with priceless art treasures, in a way that art-collecting HRE emperor would be jealous of This extravagance also took form in elaborate, custom made uniforms and costumes, and jewelry. When Hitler gave out rewards and promotions when France fell, he gave Goering "the Grand Cross of the Iron Cross", which was the highest decoration the Nazis gave out in WW2. You wore it around the neck and it had a diameter of a small bird's nest. Goering had two copies made, one gold edged, and one platinum edged, so his award would match his other outfits. quote:Göring was known for his extravagant tastes and garish clothing. He had various special uniforms made for the many posts he held;[152] his Reichsmarschall uniform included a jewel-encrusted baton. Hans-Ulrich Rudel, the top Stuka pilot of the war, recalled twice meeting Göring dressed in outlandish costumes: first, a medieval hunting costume, practicing archery with his doctor; and second, dressed in a red toga fastened with a golden clasp, smoking an unusually large pipe. Italian Foreign Minister Galeazzo Ciano once noted Göring wearing a fur coat that looked like what "a high grade prostitute wears to the opera".[153] He threw lavish housewarming parties each time a round of construction was completed at Carinhall, and changed costumes several times throughout the evenings.[154] This extravagance became more pronounced once the shine came off the Luftwaffe. It's failure in the battle of Britain, and Goering increasingly retreated into his life of luxury. While doing reading for my Amerikabomber posts I found a mention Goering skipped out on a really important meeting with Heinkel in Vienna to spend the day at one of his favorite jewelers
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Reiterpallasch posted:Both Napoleonic French and British medium/heavy cavalry charged knee-to-knee, with a line of individual squadrons, each in lines abreast two deep. Competently commanded cavalry divisions usually formed two or more such lines to charge in echelon, to deliver successive shocks to the enemy. Whenever possible, a reserve was kept to the rear made out of squadrons in column, which could be easily controlled and quickly launched for a pursuit or rallied to countercharge. Thanks for this and other cavalry chat. Re: your username. How did backswords compare to sabres? My Napoleonic era sword knowledge is limited to Sharpe and Aubrey/Maturin books.
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Jun 27, 2018 21:18
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SeanBeansShako posted:Also, no matter over the top silly nonsense a certain Nazi Luftwaffe Marshal is wearing nothing will beat the private uniform of a certain Napoleonic Marshal and former King of Naples. Post pics. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Berthier was the poo poo Please elaborate.
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So Germany in World War 2 allowed Officers to duel eachother (or civilians) as a matter of honor.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:So Germany in World War 2 allowed Officers to duel eachother (or civilians) as a matter of honor. [citation needed]
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Disinterested posted:I didn't say it would be successful but the original claim being addressed is that an occupation in 91 wouldn't be very different to 03, which seems remote. Also, those opposition groups were in much worse shape, as was Iraqi society as a whole. Stronger opposition groups isn't necessarily a good thing because those opposition groups had goals that weren't 'make a Western style democracy for America's convenience'. All those Shias Saddam oppressed were more likely to look to Iran than the US for instance. This? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarian_violence_in_Iraq_(2006%9608) This still happens. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Jun 27, 2018 |
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ChubbyChecker posted:Post pics.     (yeah two of them are ceremonial but still) Okay, Imagine Napoleon but instead of being good at tactics, battle plans and making all the grogs swoon your skills lie in masterful logistical planning, organization and running two armies and on top of that also working on helping out with the Imperial house hold and a constantly revolving and evolving cabinet or Marshals, nobles and hangers on with disconcerting professional ease. In short he was Napoleon's perfect No 2 and his absence is one of the several bug reasons why the Hundred Days flopped for Bonaparte.
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SeanBeansShako posted:
Swoon-worthy.
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ArchangeI posted:[citation needed] [...] This was a leftover from feudal times, before Hitler's assumption of power. It is significant that under Hitler, dueling of officers was legalized in cases where all efforts at settlement by an officers' court of honor (appointed by a regimental or higher commander) failed. However, for duels between two officers, but not between an officer and a civilian, a decision had to first be obtained from the Commander-in-Chief of the Army. Their medieval conception of honor had a strong influence on the mentality and actions of many German officers. An officer was obligated to react to deliberate insults instantaneously, in a positive and masterly fashion, and to protect other officers from becoming the object of public disgrace. In the SS, qualified enlisted men (those who carried a dagger) were subject to the same honor rules as officers, being obligated to defend their honor by force of arms. -StrafBattalion: Hitler's Penal Battalions by Walter S. Zapotoczny Jr.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:This was a leftover from feudal times...Their medieval conception of honor most of this poo poo was developed in the 19th century, in colleges (Not you, Jobbo Fett. That guy)
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Another fun Goering story is this: so the failure of the Battle of Britain and the immensely hosed up Luftwaffe procurement was obviously bad, and so Goering blamed Ernst Udet, head of procurement - as did everyone else, [like Hitler] and especially Erhard Milch, who wanted the job to add to his portfolio. Udet (because he knows of his fuckups and knows they happened because he's not cut out for the position) goes to Goering and asks to resign - dude is near to total nervous collapse and can't take it anymore. Goering says in response "If I let you go, the people will draw their own conclusions. The whole facade will crumble." And then was all "dude, you need a break, just hang out here at Kairnhall for a month. Do some hunting!" And Udet did, and when he got back to the office, Goering and Milch had removed all of Udet's remaining loyal staff with Milch's minions. Udet kills himself, Goebbels' propaganda machine comes up with a cover story "killed while testing a new weapon", and Udet gets the national hero funeral, with an honor guard of Luftwaffe aces (Galland, Lutzow, Oesau, and Pelz) and Goering naturally gives the eulogy, the last line of which is "farewell, my best friend." The next day, Goering gets a bit of bad news. A Luftwaffe general had died in bad weather conditions, flying to Berlin to try and make the funeral. And then, the biggest ace the Luftwaffe had, Werner Molders, died in similar circumstances.
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HEY GUNS posted:you dumbasses, it's modern How did colleges end up some kind of big hotbed of dueling, anyway?
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ChubbyChecker posted:Thanks for this and other cavalry chat. i'm gonna be honest, it was an Armored Core reference
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ChubbyChecker posted:Please elaborate. He was a fantastic chief of staff. Notably: Kept a steady flow of men and materiel to the Imperial armies in the field (this is really, really hard) Managed intake from conscription and training Created and organized armies and corps Kept Napoleon from murdering the Marshalate Minimized Marshalate intrigue (lol)
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Night10194 posted:How did colleges end up some kind of big hotbed of dueling, anyway? Young men with alcohol and nothing better to do after class?
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