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My group once had a skill challenge at a festival be a literal pissing (as in distance) contest without having a serious discussion about it beforehand; should i murder them or just sever? This was about five years ago, if that's a factor in how upset I should be
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Aug 9, 2017 21:51
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Pharmaskittle posted:My group once had a skill challenge at a festival be a literal pissing (as in distance) contest without having a serious discussion about it beforehand; should i murder them or just sever? Were they peeing on Kobolds and did the Kobolds consent? If yes I don't see a problem.
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Aug 9, 2017 21:54
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mango sentinel posted:Were they peeing on Kobolds and did the Kobolds consent? If yes I don't see a problem. Kobolds all love piss 
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Aug 9, 2017 21:58
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On one hand, 'haha penises' is a classic juvenile joke and juvenile humor is the order of the day at a lot of tables. On the other hand, getting defensive over the concept that it's a hosed up thing to roleplay flashing people is really stupid - the Black Tokyo Defense of 'it's just a gaaaaame' doesn't fool anyone
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Aug 10, 2017 00:00
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sleepy.eyes posted:The women have tits, so who knows? Not anymore it appears.
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Aug 10, 2017 00:27
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The potential for being offensive irl is way too high to even start down that path. Another player uses the exact same tactic to intimidate a table of women at a tavern, or a woman character flashes some drunk guys to distract them? Yeah no thanks I don't really want to dm those situations or deal with a player being uncomfortable when it goes too far. But in the spirit of not saying no, I would just seriously punish the player who intimidated with their dragon member. I would make them regret it so hard nobody would ever think to try something with their genitals again.
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Aug 10, 2017 00:50
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Judge Schnoopy posted:... Because gently caress all that "have a mature discussion" bullshit.
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Aug 10, 2017 00:55
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the real problem here is rolling a d20 for a social skill check, which leads to players trying to do zany things to add to it. I guarantee no one does that if they aren't rolling
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Aug 10, 2017 01:00
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Judge Schnoopy posted:But in the spirit of not saying no, I would just seriously punish the player who intimidated with their dragon member. I would make them regret it so hard nobody would ever think to try something with their genitals again. Lol this is so much worse
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Aug 10, 2017 01:10
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There exists, somewhere in this universe, the vague possibility that Enola Gay knows their players well enough that all of this unsolicited advice about a player character showing off their dick is entirely unnecessary.
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Aug 10, 2017 01:26
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The Crotch posted:There exists, somewhere in this universe, the vague possibility that Enola Gay knows their players well enough that all of this unsolicited advice about a player character showing off their dick is entirely unnecessary. There also exists, somewhere in the universe, the vague possibility that when you put something out into a public discussion that the public will discuss that thing.
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Aug 10, 2017 01:48
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Of course. I just, y'know... hope everyone has tempered expectations when they make pronouncements as to how Enola should handle things.
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Aug 10, 2017 01:52
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Sooo, my Level 4 Barbarian just got a cast of Wish through an encounter with the Deck of Many Things. Balance is not a concern in this game at all. What kind of crazy shenanigans can I get up to with this?
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Aug 10, 2017 02:47
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Klungar posted:Sooo, my Level 4 Barbarian just got a cast of Wish through an encounter with the Deck of Many Things. Balance is not a concern in this game at all. What kind of crazy shenanigans can I get up to with this? Wish you were a wizard.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:03
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kingcom posted:Wish you were a wizard. Besides that, obviously. OP items? Stat boosts? Levels? Companions?
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Aug 10, 2017 04:02
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Klungar posted:Besides that, obviously. OP items? Stat boosts? Levels? Companions? Wish to become a vampire, so that you get regeneration every turn, and life steal to your attacks, and a bonus to your attacks.
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Aug 10, 2017 04:10
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Hmm can a Wish bypass the limits of True Polymorph? Because if so you could wish to become a T-Rex, only keeping your mental scores and class abilities. If it can let you get that form that early, or a Ancient Red Dragon or Iron Golem, and you can keep decent mental scores and your personality, and keep your class abilities and possibly even still continue to level in Barbarian, then that would probably be a decent use of a Wish.
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Aug 10, 2017 04:14
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It's good to remember that in the description of the spell, it basically states that the DM is supposed to find a loophole and screw you over if you try to wish too big, with creative interpretation of the wish. So in other words, phrase it well, and be careful about being too greedy.
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Aug 10, 2017 04:19
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If someone casts a big ol Wish with careful wording, would it be natural to say "it takes time to fulfill the wish." Can you can spend time thinking about how it effects the world, or are you expected to come up with something on the spot? Admittedly my improvisation is lacking and I'm newish at dnd in general so I don't like doing big things on a whim(yet), but I'm trying to get there!
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Aug 10, 2017 04:35
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If you're going to be a passive-aggressive monkey's paw dick about the spell Wish, why did you give it to the players? Maybe, and I know this is insane, don't and do something that's actually fun? Just an idea.
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Aug 10, 2017 04:58
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Xiahou Dun posted:If you're going to be a passive-aggressive monkey's paw dick about the spell Wish, why did you give it to the players? In Tir McDolh's defense, they were only just quoting what the Wish spell description says: quote:The DM has great latitude in ruling what occurs in such an instance; the greater the wish, the greater the Iikelihood that something goes wrong. This spell might simply fail, the effect you desire might only be partly achieved, or you might suffer some unforeseen consequence as a result of how you worded the wish. For example, wishing that a villain were dead might propel you forward in time to a period when that villain is no longer alive, effectively removing you from the game. Similarly, wishing for a legendary magic item or artifact might instantly transport you to the presence of the item's current owner. The obvious solution is "yes, don't be a dick", or "don't play with the Wish spell if you can't help being a dick or you feel that the effect being Wished for by the player is excessively strong", but it's really rather the game's fault for putting the Wish spell in there and encouraging this kind of behavior.
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Aug 10, 2017 05:12
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Wish is the ultimate expression of 'ask your DM' combined with the idea that antagonistic DMing is obviously the best solution to any problem with a game
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Aug 10, 2017 05:14
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Darwinism posted:Wish is the ultimate expression of 'ask your DM' combined with the idea that antagonistic DMing is obviously the best solution to any problem with a game I don't understand why a spell like this isn't something like 'The player and the GM discuss a downside that occurs as a result of the wish, the larger the wish the larger the downside or unexpected negative that can occur from it. Both the player and the GM should use this as an opportunity to create a narrative hook for the player's adventures in the future'
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Aug 10, 2017 05:18
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Capstone-do-anything spell is not good design. Say what you will about immortals box set, but it gave you the amount of power points needed to throw a planet into the sun and not a spell called "you're immortal, ask your DM."
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Aug 10, 2017 05:38
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I also think only a really bad DM would actively try to find a way to gently caress you. If the DM doesn't mind, sure, allow a wish to become an ancient red dragon. A good DM should try to find a way to convince a player not to do it if they are going for something the DM thinks will break their game. Monkey's paw bullshit is a last resort.
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Aug 10, 2017 05:48
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Tir McDohl posted:I also think only a really bad DM would actively try to find a way to gently caress you. If the DM doesn't mind, sure, allow a wish to become an ancient red dragon. A good DM should try to find a way to convince a player not to do it if they are going for something the DM thinks will break their game. Monkey's paw bullshit is a last resort. http://dmdavid.com/tag/do-you-know-that-good-dm-people-talk-about-i-hate-that-guy/
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Aug 10, 2017 06:05
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If you've gotta do wishes, don't be a dick about them. Just state what will happen and ask if they're sure that's what they want. "You're wishing to be a dragon, right? So you're saying you want the game to be about something different? I mean it's not like dragons are gonna be interested in (current thing), and if they are they're gonna solve the problem in about 20 minutes, so after that I guess it's gonna turn into a game about dragons doing dragon stuff. Are you sure that's what you want?" If they say "gently caress yeah, dragon game!" then do that, they weren't invested in your story anyway.
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Aug 10, 2017 06:18
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Tir McDohl posted:I also think only a really bad DM would actively try to find a way to gently caress you. If the DM doesn't mind, sure, allow a wish to become an ancient red dragon. A good DM should try to find a way to convince a player not to do it if they are going for something the DM thinks will break their game. Monkey's paw bullshit is a last resort. There's almost always a fun middle ground. As much as the powergamer in us all wants to do something crazy, you can take the spirit wish of that without also breaking the games. Klungar posted:Sooo, my Level 4 Barbarian just got a cast of Wish through an encounter with the Deck of Many Things. Balance is not a concern in this game at all. What kind of crazy shenanigans can I get up to with this? Without going full Monkey's Paw, turn that barbarian into a dragon of appropriate size and level for the party. And eventually he'll become ancient. Assuming you're playing 5e, here's some homebrew rules for being a goddamn dragon: http://www.enworld.org/forum/rpgdownloads.php?do=download&downloadid=1253 We're using them in a Roll20 game, he's not particularly overpowered. At least at level 2, ours is mostly fat, slow, and rocks strength checks like a boss. Maybe ask your GM to let you keep one or two Barbarian things to stack on top of that? If you're looking to keep your barbarian and just get a power boost (fair, as they're not exactly OP as written), maybe use this to find a way to fix a problematic part of a class, just flat out steal another class's schtick. Does your barbarian need Find Familiar so he can summon hamsters/ferrets/ravens? Does he get to learn to channel his anger into psychic powers? Go dig through the Mystic class UA and see if you want one of those powersets. DM can limit the overall power by the Psi Points (anger points?) he gives you. Psionic Weapon could be great to have an axe made of PURE ANGER. Iron Durability would be pretty sweet, Giant Growth could be hella fun, Cerelity would be hilarious. Or go dig through the feat list, and find a wish that would fit that and get a free feat. Hell, just ask for Plus 1 Crit Range by wishing "I want to hit harder than any barbarian before me." Alternatively to that, you're pretty low level, but do you have much of a backstory or interest in the world beyond the D&D baseline Murderhobo? Does his background involve needing to save someone/get revenge/cure a curse/etc? If you've built your personality around A Thing, go ahead and change That Thing, and see where that takes you.
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Aug 10, 2017 06:29
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kingcom posted:I don't understand why a spell like this isn't something like 'The player and the GM discuss a downside that occurs as a result of the wish, the larger the wish the larger the downside or unexpected negative that can occur from it. Both the player and the GM should use this as an opportunity to create a narrative hook for the player's adventures in the future' See, that would be pretty cool and great and enhance the collaborative nature that good games tend to have. So that is not the tack that Mearls&Co took.
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Aug 10, 2017 06:38
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I am currently running a game with a player using those Dragon Character rules, though I let them grab an actual background because it makes no sense for them to have fewer skills than everyone else in the game.
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Aug 10, 2017 06:39
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Ryuujin posted:I am currently running a game with a player using those Dragon Character rules, though I let them grab an actual background because it makes no sense for them to have fewer skills than everyone else in the game. Restricting a characters skills honestly only serves to restrict their noncombat options ever since skills were introduced, which restricts the way a player thinks about their interactions in a lot of noncombat, roleplay heavy scenarios. So, yeah, you did right.
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Aug 10, 2017 06:53
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Fair enough. AlphaDog posted:If you've gotta do wishes, don't be a dick about them. Just state what will happen and ask if they're sure that's what they want. I like this approach.
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Aug 10, 2017 08:03
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AlphaDog posted:If you've gotta do wishes, don't be a dick about them. Just state what will happen and ask if they're sure that's what they want. In addition, allow them the polymorph and give them an instinctual, insatiable desire to hoard all things shiny and valuable. Let them and the party have fun with that for a while. Maybe they build the dragon player a castle or cavern to start their dragon hoard, before running off to recruit kobolds and poo poo to worship him/her. Or else they realize this previously wealth-ambivalent axe-swinger is now skimming off of the kitty and you've got your next arc's villian and/or redemption story as they seek out another Wish to wish him back.
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Aug 10, 2017 08:09
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I really dislike how the monkey's paw wish has become the standard over favours offered by a powerful but still limited being.
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Aug 10, 2017 08:18
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Tir McDohl posted:I like this approach. Telling the players the consequences of what they're talking about doing, and letting them decide whether they'll do it or not is my usual way to handle unexpected scenarios that look like they'll permanantly derail the story or change the game into something else. It's as simple as "You realise that would break everything, right?" If they're enjoying the way things are going, they're not going to break it. If they're not enjoying the way things are going, then they can and should break it. After the session where they derail everything, usurp the king, burn down the country, turn into dragons, and/or whatever else is a great time to have the "so... you guys would rather be playing a different kind of game, huh?" conversation. e: Because the very last thing I want to be doing is trying to run a game that nobody else really wants to play.
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Aug 10, 2017 08:21
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My friend is DM'ing for his wife and her friends and he's not sure how to tell her she's doing it wrong. He went to sleep so I can't get more information but either he's not telling her that she gets sneak attack damage under the two circumstances you get it for rogues, or his wife doesn't sneak up to attack people before combat starts and instead is barbarian ululating as she runs directly up to someone to sink both daggers in their face and I hope it's the second one.
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Aug 10, 2017 08:23
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Even if the Rogue is Leeroy Jenkins-ing it up, they should STILL get Sneak Attacks to trigger as soon as a second person gets into melee range of whatever it is the Rogue is attacking. If the Rogue goes second, then they really will get Sneak Attacks to trigger all the time anyway, unless they're deliberating running off to stab someone ELSE.
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Aug 10, 2017 08:31
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Yeah there's two approaches to rogueing. Sneaky gentleman thief or violent gang-based thug. She's taken the second route, good for her. Stealth isn't even a compulsory skill.
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Aug 10, 2017 08:41
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Either I don't understand his question or he's just afraid of sounding like "god, you're doing it wrong, move over, let me " But because he's asleep i've just been brainstorming answers to the literal text in an empty discord channel for 3 hours. You could leave her dark souls tutorial messages in thieves' cant.
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Krinkle posted:You could leave her dark souls tutorial messages in thieves' cant. Lmao do this thing. "you have to have an adjacent ally or advantage for sneak attack" but everyone else hears "you have to check the tally on the ad man's page for cheap give and take"
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