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the US could try to move toward a system of public financing and electoral reform like other places in the world, but democratic policy is to keep crying about needing corporate funding to fight on an even playing field and then predictably not doing anything meaningful about this financing once they hold the reins of power obama would not even make his scotus appointment have a litmus test of overturning citizen's united. lmao. it's quite possible he would have upheld it.
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comedyblissoption posted:the US could try to move toward a system of public financing and electoral reform like other places in the world, but democratic policy is to keep crying about needing corporate funding to fight on an even playing field and then predictably not doing anything meaningful about this financing once they hold the reins of power obama would have given up anything as long as his ~bipartisan legacy~ was preserved
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Al! posted:obama would have given up anything as long as his ~bipartisan legacy~ was preserved Excuse me, didn't you read the article just upthread? It's not his legacy, it's America's legacy!
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i will also remind you the democrats in their own party machine, the DNC, literally rolled back the Obama ban on donations from federal lobbyists and PACs during the primary because they felt threatened by sanders lmao. even in their own electoral primaries where the republicans have no influence and there should be no pretense of needing to compete on an even playing field with the republicans, the democrats are moving regressively on campaign finance
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Al! posted:obama would have given up anything as long as his ~bipartisan legacy~ was preserved his bipartisan legacy is the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie same as the previous 43 fukkheads
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comedyblissoption posted:i will also remind you the democrats in their own party machine, the DNC, literally rolled back the Obama ban on donations from federal lobbyists and PACs during the primary because they felt threatened by sanders lmao. even in their own electoral primaries where the republicans have no influence and there should be no pretense of needing to compete on an even playing field with the democrats, the democrats are moving regressively on campaign finance the democraps are one wing of the capitalists united front h t h
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comedyblissoption posted:i will also remind you the democrats in their own party machine, the DNC, literally rolled back the Obama ban on donations from federal lobbyists and PACs during the primary because they felt threatened by sanders lmao. even in their own electoral primaries where the republicans have no influence and there should be no pretense of needing to compete on an even playing field with the republicans, the democrats are moving regressively on campaign finance that had nothing to do with sanders
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Sep 27, 2017 23:45
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Concerned Citizen posted:the contexts are entirely different post-citizens united and pre-citizens united. "the fec isn't very good at enforcement" and "public financing systems are broken" as the supreme court steadily overturned the bcra are an entirely different beast from "lol you can put a billion dollars into a presidential campaign without telling anyone, at any time, in any race." even so the democrats provided almost all the votes in 2002 to end things like the soft money loophole that allowed wealthy donors to funnel unlimited money through state parties, and constrain outside spending by pacs - even if some of those laws were mitigated by the gop's compliant fec failing to enforce the law. obama becoming the first presidential candidate of either major party to reject public financing had more to do with entrenching the broken system than any scotus ruling.
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Sep 27, 2017 23:48
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i wish obama had lost in 08
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Concerned Citizen posted:that had nothing to do with sanders it did, however, have everything to do with funneling as much money as possible toward the Clinton machine including committing outright fraud as to where the funds were going, which was nevertheless still legal because of our incredibly stupid campaign finance laws, and because it was legal it was therefore okay to do
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Concerned Citizen posted:that had nothing to do with sanders
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Over Easy posted:I was at work all day making it work out there as many of us here do in our horrible nation and I come home only to find that the Suck Zone sucks harder and more adamantly than I ever thought conceivable. Grown as members of the leisure class who pretend to work on twitter all day got nothing better to do than snarkily harass a working man who works out there on behalf of the working person, gets my rear end hackles up Democrat (Not A)
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Willa Rogers posted:Democrat (Not A) thats the best kind!
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to be fair, even sanders opted out of the public campaign finance system because he understands it is (intentionally) fundamentally broken
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Sep 27, 2017 23:58
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Zoran posted:it did, however, have everything to do with funneling as much money as possible toward the Clinton machine "everyone donating to it knew where the victory fund money was really going, ergo, no one was defrauded" 
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Over Easy posted:I heard that Bernie Sanders loving uses money well that tears it Bernie Sanders... I disavow you for handling money and living in a capitalistic system with the rest of us, trapped.
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Concerned Citizen posted:the contexts are entirely different post-citizens united and pre-citizens united. "the fec isn't very good at enforcement" and "public financing systems are broken" as the supreme court steadily overturned the bcra are an entirely different beast from "lol you can put a billion dollars into a presidential campaign without telling anyone, at any time, in any race." even so the democrats provided almost all the votes in 2002 to end things like the soft money loophole that allowed wealthy donors to funnel unlimited money through state parties, and constrain outside spending by pacs - even if some of those laws were mitigated by the gop's compliant fec failing to enforce the law. the more  you have to substantiate an argument the more flimsy it isjust excuses surely the dems would have voted to end soft money only if if if
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Concerned Citizen posted:the contexts are entirely different post-citizens united and pre-citizens united. "the fec isn't very good at enforcement" and "public financing systems are broken" as the supreme court steadily overturned the bcra are an entirely different beast from "lol you can put a billion dollars into a presidential campaign without telling anyone, at any time, in any race." even so the democrats provided almost all the votes in 2002 to end things like the soft money loophole that allowed wealthy donors to funnel unlimited money through state parties, and constrain outside spending by pacs - even if some of those laws were mitigated by the gop's compliant fec failing to enforce the law. The goal isn't to not take money without being labeled as bought and be super honest The goal is to make it so republicans can't take the money better than they can.
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Koalas March posted:it was a surprise but i should've known because homie listened to hatebreed a lot that guy might have just been terminally stupid quote:Hatebreed finished up The Concrete Confessional around the time the 2016 presidential election began getting incredibly bizarre. Politically motivated in his lyrical approach, we wanted to know if Jasta perhaps wished he had waited a little longer to write the album so the weight of this election could have inspired The Concrete Confessional even more.
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Lastgirl posted:well that tears it In a capitalist society, to have a coin in the hand is to have a golden drop of that society itself. Look deeply into that coin, as you might with a crystal ball, and behind its golden luster, which has stopped many an eye, you discover the blood and sweat of the class struggle.
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Sep 28, 2017 00:10
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Willa Rogers posted:why can't these idiots come up with new talking points? I think it's because they're idiots? 
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the dnc repealing the obama era rules effectively enabled huge donations by the wealthy to enter the hillary victory fund via the dnc which were then used to fund hillary's campaign with millions of dollars to fight a primary battle against sanders maybe you could argue that the original intent was for the general because the dnc believed there would be no meaningful primary challenger, but that does not change the fact that the repeal of obama era campaign financing rules were used to fight against sanders in the dnc's own primary with no excuse of needing a level playing field against republicans
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I think it's because they're idiots? They don't really need to. Anything works as long as you yell loud enough, and keep doubling down on it.
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Bip Roberts posted:there are other problems with it and it’s dumb but the basic point that Trump is bad for all women (and men) isn’t that spicy of a thing to say on the other hand, accusing disadvantaged groups of being traitorous because they didn't vote for whichever candidate the establishment put forward for them is pretty lovely it implies that individual members of those groups aren't capable of determining on their own what their interests are or who suits them best, and suggests that they're at fault for ignoring the establishment's recommendations
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Lastgirl posted:the more They did do that
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the DNC and obama bent over backwards to nominate tom perez as dnc chair who then explicitly had a vote to continue the repeal of the obama campaign financing ban on corrupt donations to the dnc the democrats had a wiffle ball to easily hit out of the park to show they care even a little bit about corrupt campaign financing and they go backwards. cc still somehow wants you to believe that democrats aren't ok with corrupt campaign financing despite every shred of evidence to the contrary
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comedyblissoption posted:the dnc repealing the obama era rules effectively enabled huge donations by the wealthy to enter the hillary victory fund via the dnc which were then used to fund hillary's campaign with millions of dollars to fight a primary battle against sanders You're fundamentally wrong - HVF funds were not used on Sanders, they were only legally spendable in the general election.
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comedyblissoption posted:the DNC and obama bent over backwards to nominate tom perez as dnc chair who then explicitly had a vote to continue the repeal of the obama campaign financing ban on corrupt donations to the dnc Ellison promised to do the exact same thing (put it up for a vote that would fail). Admittedly he flip flopped on that - he originally wanted to ban it before reversing. Concerned Citizen has issued a correction as of 00:30 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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comedyblissoption posted:the dnc repealing the obama era rules effectively enabled huge donations by the wealthy to enter the hillary victory fund via the dnc which were then used to fund hillary's campaign with millions of dollars to fight a primary battle against sanders Bernie outraised and outspent Hillary in multiple states that he lost
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Sep 28, 2017 00:28
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consolidating the mother of all datacenters here, jack. can't fret over every corporate donation.
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Concerned Citizen posted:You're fundamentally wrong - HVF funds were not used on Sanders, they were only legally spendable in the general election.  From these large amounts of money being transferred from state coffers to the Hillary Victory Fund in Washington, the Clinton campaign got the first $2,700, the DNC was to get the next $33,400, and the remainder was to be split among the 33 signatory states. With this scheme, the Hillary Victory Fund raised over $26 million for the Clinton Campaign by the end of 2015. The money was either transferred to the Hillary for America or Forward Hillary PACs and spent directly on the Hillary Clinton Campaign, often paying the salaries and expenses within those groups, or it was moved into the DNC or another Clinton PAC.
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Willa Rogers posted:
No poo poo. But that $26 million for the Clinton Campaign was earmarked for the general. That's why the Clinton campaign got the first 2700 instead of the first 5200.
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comedyblissoption posted:the DNC and obama bent over backwards to nominate tom perez as dnc chair who then explicitly had a vote to continue the repeal of the obama campaign financing ban on corrupt donations to the dnc the democrats are not part of the revolution ffs why would u ever think theyd be good
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which staffers were paid by the end of 2015 by the HVF but whose activities were segregated to the general election?
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Al! posted:i wish obama had lost in 08 
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Main Paineframe posted:on the other hand, accusing disadvantaged groups of being traitorous because they didn't vote for whichever candidate the establishment put forward for them is pretty lovely oh yeah it's dump but people keep on posting these mild takes with bad tone/optics and melt down about them for pages
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Al! posted:i wish obama had lost in 08 eh the rest of us all lost so its a wash
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I'm glad that obama won in 2008 bc he turned most of an entire generation into Dem (Not A) in 8 short years. 
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