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T-1000 posted:Ok, it seems we're roughly on the same page, it just sounded like you were in favour of ignoring the pretty cool things since the guy you were disagreeing with said in full We mostly are on the same page except for Clinton where I completely disagree with you.
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TheSpookyDanger posted:We mostly are on the same page except for Clinton where I completely disagree with you.
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# ? Feb 12, 2011 02:14 |
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Strudel Man posted:Do you think it's more likely that, without Clinton's efforts, gays would have been able to serve openly in the military, or they would have been subject to the same investigation and drumming out as occurred before DADT? I think it is more likely that had Clinton really stepped up it wouldn't have take so long for the events we are just now seeing in the American military to take place. Sure, it is better that he something rather than nothing, but I still think he half-assed it in the name of political expediency.
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# ? Feb 12, 2011 02:21 |
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TheSpookyDanger posted:I think it is more likely that had Clinton really stepped up it wouldn't have take so long for the events we are just now seeing in the American military to take place. Sure, it is better that he something rather than nothing, but I still think he half-assed it in the name of political expediency.
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# ? Feb 12, 2011 02:30 |
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TheSpookyDanger posted:I think it is more likely that had Clinton really stepped up it wouldn't have take so long for the events we are just now seeing in the American military to take place. Sure, it is better that he something rather than nothing, but I still think he half-assed it in the name of political expediency. What did he half-rear end? I'm confused about what he should have done to end discrimination based on sexual orientation in the military.
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# ? Feb 12, 2011 05:57 |
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So the guy that wrote the long, tearful salute to Reagan on 100th birthday wrote another letter in praise of Bush. I got as far as... quote:George W. Bush, a former military fighter pilot, ...before instantly closing my browser.
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# ? Feb 12, 2011 08:04 |
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Kubrick posted:So the guy that wrote the long, tearful salute to Reagan on 100th birthday wrote another letter in praise of Bush. Wanna post the whole thing? I need my daily dose of completely wrong about everything.
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# ? Feb 12, 2011 09:53 |
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But did he not fly? I thought he did.
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# ? Feb 12, 2011 18:39 |
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Yes, he was a part-time reservist in the Texas Air National guard, but why say that when you can just say military fighter pilot. Here is the whole thing. It's basically American history if it was printed in a boy's adventure novella. quote:America...where'd your spine go?
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# ? Feb 12, 2011 20:37 |
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the homoeroticism... should have sent a poet.
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# ? Feb 12, 2011 21:02 |
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Kubrick posted:Yes, he was a part-time reservist in the Texas Air National guard, but why say that when you can just say military fighter pilot.
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# ? Feb 12, 2011 22:53 |
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I'm pretty sure Iran didn't release the hostages because they were afraid of Reagan. And I'm also very sure the Soviet Union didn't collapse just because of Reagan. He wasn't loving Superman.
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# ? Feb 12, 2011 23:32 |
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GodlessCommie posted:I'm pretty sure Iran didn't release the hostages because they were afraid of Reagan. And I'm also very sure the Soviet Union didn't collapse just because of Reagan. He wasn't loving Superman. SOURCE ON THIS??
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 00:00 |
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GodlessCommie posted:I'm pretty sure Iran didn't release the hostages because they were afraid of Reagan. And I'm also very sure the Soviet Union didn't collapse just because of Reagan. He wasn't loving Superman. Am I the crazy political email for believing that Reagan did release those hostages? By undermining and directly negotiating with the Iranians while Carter was still president? The only proof for this is the claim by an unearthed KGB document after the USSR collapsed that said that Reagan and his advisers met with Iranians a couple months before-hand in France. People've said that a ten-year-old document from the collapsing USSR is flimsy and unverifiable evidence, but the fact that the hostages were released the hour Reagan was inaugurated, and the ensuing years so many under-the-table arms deals for the Iranians makes it seem extremely likely that Reagan had been engaged in (treasonous) negotiations against the president's. Reagan's influence in the CIA also makes it seem quite possible to me. Or I could be acting just like these loving emails, now.
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 00:50 |
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XyloJW posted:Am I the crazy political email for believing that Reagan did release those hostages? By undermining and directly negotiating with the Iranians while Carter was still president? I was pretty much taught in school that it happened this way, or something like it - that whatever the exact reasons, it was pretty apparent that some political maneuvering had been done to get the hostages released only after Reagan became president.
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 02:08 |
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Kubrick posted:Yes, he was a part-time reservist in the Texas Air National guard, but why say that when you can just say military fighter pilot. Wow, usually stuff like this either ignores or minimizes, rather than flat-out celebrates, Jackson's borderline genocidal treatment of native Americans. Also, the Contras don't count as "assorted bad guys."
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 02:41 |
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OrangeKing posted:I was pretty much taught in school that it happened this way, or something like it - that whatever the exact reasons, it was pretty apparent that some political maneuvering had been done to get the hostages released only after Reagan became president. I was taught the same. And my history teacher that year was fairly conservative, so it's not just those American-hating hippies who say this.
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 03:31 |
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I always assumed it was just the hippy, fringe conclusion. Okay, so, then, isn't that loving treason? Do people at large honestly accept that Reagan actually colluded with terrorists to hold hostages just a couple more months until he was inaugurated?
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 03:34 |
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I think the Iranian captors just hated Carter and wanted to be dicks to him, taking even that little moment of glory from him. Had Reagan been the outgoing US President at that time, they'd have done the same to him, too, regardless of who was the successor. If the other theory was true, you'd think the Iranians would have used it against Reagan later on. Or did they?
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 04:36 |
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Nenonen posted:I think the Iranian captors just hated Carter and wanted to be dicks to him, taking even that little moment of glory from him. Had Reagan been the outgoing US President at that time, they'd have done the same to him, too, regardless of who was the successor. You mean like when Reagan sold Iran weapons so he could fund Central American death squads?
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 04:46 |
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XyloJW posted:I always assumed it was just the hippy, fringe conclusion. Okay, so, then, isn't that loving treason? Do people at large honestly accept that Reagan actually colluded with terrorists to hold hostages just a couple more months until he was inaugurated? They can accept it, people seem to like Reagan in the same way cultists love their leader. To anyone looking in from the outside it looks like madness, but to them it just makes sense that their guy is so super great and can do anything. I really can think of no other way to describe it. Well that or just plain old American Apathy, same way we acknowledge but don't really care too much about every other evil thing our government has done.
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 05:21 |
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Not exactly an email forward, but here's a lovely comment and resulting conversation I noticed from a kid I employed last summer. It's so cute when high-school aged kids parrot what their parents say without understanding any of it. Click here for the full 1045x1117 image. There it is folks, this is the future.
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 11:38 |
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TerminalSaint posted:Not exactly an email forward, but here's a lovely comment and resulting conversation I noticed from a kid I employed last summer. These are the kind of kids that argue that affirmative action is wrong and that "racism doesn't exist anymore" when they get to their Logan 5 fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Feb 13, 2011 |
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TerminalSaint posted:Not exactly an email forward, but here's a lovely comment and resulting conversation I noticed from a kid I employed last summer. This is why when you're going to be stupid and racist you should make sure you didn't friend your boss.
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 12:24 |
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TerminalSaint posted:Not exactly an email forward, but here's a lovely comment and resulting conversation I noticed from a kid I employed last summer. I'm thankful that I'm eligible for EU citizenship because of my Irish grandparents, but I shouldn't be having that opinion reinforced EVERY SINGLE DAY.
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 12:27 |
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Kavak posted:I'm thankful that I'm eligible for EU citizenship because of my Irish grandparents, but I shouldn't be having that opinion reinforced EVERY SINGLE DAY. To be fair, there's racist nationalists in pretty much every country and they get elected in a bunch of them. There's this politician in Sweden, Jimmie Åkesson, he's the leader of the Swedish Democratic Party, a nationalistic party that believes Immigrants are tearing the country apart and diluting the Swedish heritage. That party had MPs elected for the first time in the 2010 elections. So yeah, it's a bit sad but even if you got a European citizenship, you'd still find racists next to you.
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 15:02 |
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TerminalSaint posted:Not exactly an email forward, but here's a lovely comment and resulting conversation I noticed from a kid I employed last summer. fact when Bush wen on vacation, which he rarely did,
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 17:31 |
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Kavak posted:I'm thankful that I'm eligible for EU citizenship because of my Irish grandparents, but I shouldn't be having that opinion reinforced EVERY SINGLE DAY. I am thankful I have a German girlfriend and leaving within the month to go to a Masters program in Germany. Seriously. The year 2010 was the greatest year of recent memory for me and that's because I was in Germany and not in the States. Heres to three years of hearing about US politics through BBC and German news outlets.
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 17:45 |
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TerminalSaint posted:Not exactly an email forward, but here's a lovely comment and resulting conversation I noticed from a kid I employed last summer. The worst thing in that whole conversation is the constant "hahahaha". It's incessant and grating. The two people talking are just saying, "Hahahaha, look at the ridiculously terrible things we are saying, hahaha, and WE ARE SAYING IT IN PUBLIC! Hahahah, dum libs don't want people to believe terrible things, hahaha but we showed them because we are saying it on facebook! hahahah!!!"
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 17:46 |
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downout posted:The worst thing in that whole conversation is the constant "hahahaha". It's incessant and grating. The two people talking are just saying, "Hahahaha, look at the ridiculously terrible things we are saying, hahaha, and WE ARE SAYING IT IN PUBLIC! Hahahah, dum libs don't want people to believe terrible things, hahaha but we showed them because we are saying it on facebook! hahahah!!!" hahahaha good thing no black kid showed up hahahha
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 18:14 |
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I just came across a great FB conversation as well. Due to the nature of the friend, I'm just going to leave it as text. Seriously, where is this Code Pink stuff coming from? Friend's Status: Congratulations to the Egyptians! === Idiot 1: you have got to be kidding??? Mubarak was an evil man, but will the Muslim Brotherhood be any better??? Remember Iran???? ---- Friend: Reasonable response ---- Idiot 1: But who is organizing this??? The Muslim Brotherhood, Code Pink, anarchists, solcialists, communists ~ sounds like a good mix for stability == More reasonable comments ensue == Idiot 2: "Egypt is free!" Until the Muslim Brotherhood and Code Pink make their move. ---- Idiot 3: No...will be anti-Jewish, hardliner Islamic and pro-Illuminati. "World War III is to be fomented, using the so-called controversies; by the agents of the Illuminati operating under whatever new name; that are now being stored up between the political Zionists and the leaders of the Moslem world. That war is to be directed in such a manner that all of Islam and political Zionism (Israelis) will destroy each other while at the same time; the remaining nations, once more divided on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion; physically, mentally, spiritually, and economically. ---- Idiot 2: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/feb/3/muslim-brotherhood-seeks-end-to-israel-treaty/ This was in 07'. What a coincidence or just common sense: http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/2671 ---- Idiot 4: According to the ACLJ, There is no government where a radical Islamic faction had 20% control and within 5 years did not have complete control of the government. The Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization - it's operating in the USA! - and it must not be allowed to make a power play in Egypt.
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 22:43 |
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ryanmfw posted:---- Code Pink? Aren't those the people at Berkeley who protest military recruiters? What the gently caress do they have to do with this? I'm sure it's somehow tied to Glenn Beck.
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 22:55 |
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ryanmfw posted:I just came across a great FB conversation as well. Due to the nature of the friend, I'm just going to leave it as text. Seriously, where is this Code Pink stuff coming from? http://www.codepink4peace.org/article.php?id=5682
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 23:17 |
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Pfirti86 posted:Glenn Beck. Ding, ding, ding, ding. I'm not entirely sure why but I think Beck saw someone in a Code Pink shirt at one of the rallies in Egypt, then proceeded to declare that Code Pink had been present in Egypt prior to the outbreak of unrest. Obviously being a Soros backed extreme left-wing organisation the purpose of their being there was to destabilise the country (because left-wing types always want to destabilise governments, regardless of other politics or who the government is) and have cemented their natural alliance with Islamic Jihadists (who are clearly on the exact same political wavelengths as the left-wing, as evidenced by the fact that there was an arab leader who had an alliance with Hitler, one step away from Soros himself). Basically he saw a Code Pink shirt in Egypt and swiftly departed anything you could recognise as reality. It's seriously to the point where conservative writers are having to actually say, "Ok he's popular and says some good things but, seriously, this guy is crazy."
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# ? Feb 13, 2011 23:26 |
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TerminalSaint posted:
Anyone else notice the "if it were a democrat senator in AZ that had been shoot by a REPUBLICAN" part? They can't even get the most basic facts of current events straight. Some serious poo poo here.
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# ? Feb 14, 2011 19:22 |
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MrNemo posted:Basically he saw a Code Pink shirt in Egypt and swiftly departed anything you could recognise as reality. It's seriously to the point where conservative writers are having to actually say, "Ok he's popular and says some good things but, seriously, this guy is crazy." That's the one thing that always been really funny about these conservative chain mails: they love making their enemies way more important than they actually are. So, a left-leaning anti-war organization with 500 members when put through the scope of Beck-o-vision suddenly becomes a monolithic entity with massive influence in every last branch of government.
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# ? Feb 14, 2011 19:30 |
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Not an email, but I got a call from a guy who wanted to just talk about how stupid the stimulus bill was, etc, and went on for about 10 minutes with him telling me None of the companies paid back the money the got from the stimulus. Most of those companies are still borrowing money from the government. Why does Obama want to cut $100 billion when he still has trillions to spend on the budget this year? He then started asking me about the federal budget, saying that Neil Cavuto on Fox said blah blah blah and expected me to know everything. Him: "Have you read the budget yet?" Me: "No, I haven't, when was it released?" "YESTERDAY! That's your job right? To read that? How do I get a copy of the federal budget? Do I call my senator?" "Sir, I don't know. Is there someone here you'd like to talk to specifically?" "Well apparently I'm not talking to the right person!" and he hung up. I'm trying to remember now though, is there a list of who actually did pay off their debts? I made the mistake of saying "I thought at least some of the big companies paid off their stimulus" but he started ranting about tarp funds or some poo poo.
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# ? Feb 14, 2011 19:41 |
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crime fighting hog posted:Not an email, but I got a call from a guy who wanted to just talk about how stupid the stimulus bill was, etc, and went on for about 10 minutes with him telling me I think he's talking about the bailout bill (or TARP). That's totally different from the stimulus, and was passed by GWB (though also voted for by both Obama and McCain).
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# ? Feb 14, 2011 20:00 |
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Blarghalt posted:That's the one thing that always been really funny about these conservative chain mails: they love making their enemies way more important than they actually are. See also: New Black Panther Party, ACORN.
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# ? Feb 14, 2011 20:19 |
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crime fighting hog posted:Not an email, but I got a call from a guy who wanted to just talk about how stupid the stimulus bill was... Where do you work that these people call you? I take potential case inquires at a law firm and I have gotten these calls before but they are usually also schizophrenics that want to sue the government for reading their thoughts. I was also stuck on a plane with a man who didn't see the irony that he was screaming at me about Obama's spending and the fact that he has liens on his house because of his credit card debt.
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