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I think Morats are pretty super really, but the core CA stuff is where it gets really unique. poo poo like charontids, skiavoros, anathematics etc. Unidrons look insane IMO, dogged is a clutch skill. I have been painting a bit this evening (after working new years day, whoop whoop) and finished (to a tabletop standard) 2 hellcats, a boarding shotgun and hacker:     As usual I find it loving depressing seeing close-up photos that display on my screen as many times the size of the actual model, but they do look fine in person. At arm's length anyway. If you don't like em, take a big step back from the screen, squint between your fingers, and go gently caress yourself, is what I'm saying here. Well excited to use them in a game though, hellcats are a big win in the new book. Superior jump? Nomad supremacy bitches!
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Corbeau posted:I want to take a Plasma Sniper Batroid along with a hacker, then use the latter to give the former Marksmanship L2. I like the concept of Unidrons but I'm not convinced. I've played so much on specialist-only armies that it's hard to imagine using unlinked line troops. I'll probably grab their SWC box and use them first like CA Dakinis, but they might have their uses like the new Suppression Fire rules etc. Doesn't help that I'm still putting off reading the N3 book using the "there's no army lists/full rules yet" excuse Cyclomatic posted:Dude working on the PDFs apparently didn't finish them and went on vacation for two weeks.
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Flipswitch posted:Pierzak (and our vanilla CA players by extension), whats your view on the Unidron Batroids mate? Ikadrons By expanding do you mean going into Morat sectorial vs. future E.I. sectorial vs staying vanilla? I will venture that vanilla and the E.I. sectorial will be "more competitive" than Morats by virtue of options. Obviously this all comes with the caveat that anything will be competitive. If you are just looking for line troopers to use in vanilla, then the two fulfill different roles. After Ikadrons, Vanguard are the best at sitting in your dz and providing orders. With dodging becoming the catch all defensive option, Morats increased PH makes them a lot more survivable against standard chaff killers like templates. Add to that coordinated suppression locking down your dz, and the Morat rule having them give a regular order as long as they stand, and you got one of the best, if at a premium, dz camper. On the other hand Unidrons are terrible at those things. Being REMs at PH 10 means that they aren't dodging poo poo. They also pay a premium for any weapon that can provide suppressive fire. What they provide instead are a suite of interesting options on the cheap, especially combined with hacker programs. Corbeau already mentioned PSR + B2 aros. you can also give marksmanship2 to the K1 combi and deny your opponent any armor. Plasma carbines are still scary on their own. Also don't forget seed soldiers should get cheaper, so they may be worth taking just for sitting in your dz. Datz are really good either way still.
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You know what's going to be utterly bullshit after Acheron Falls? Linked Batroids getting Marksmanship program buffs. Hello BS14 B3 PSR cover-ignoring active-turn terrors! And they only drop by 1 burst in the reactive turn...
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Yeah, suppression fire for them is limited to the K1 Combi Rifles or the Spitfire, which isn't awful but it does ramp the cost up of taking them by 2pts per model for the K1s.Bear Throne posted:Ikadrons Cyclomatic posted:Dude working on the PDFs apparently didn't finish them and went on vacation for two weeks. It is worth noting though that despite the releases haven't been simultaneous because deadlines couldn't be met in time without just delaying N3, which would have been a worse option I think. Collaborating them into one book would have been a nightmare. The book is large enough now, just imagine adding in the HS/CP profiles, equipment and special rules to go along with them. It would have been ridiculous. Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jan 2, 2015 |
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Batroids are also pretty reasonable as traditional DZ defense, simply because a Plasma hit is a lot more dangerous to an AD trooper than a single Normal hit. I'd still prefer Vanguards as order monkeys (heh), but Batroids aren't awful. I'd take both in vanilla. I've been strongly looking at Dats, Vanguard, and Batroids for a vanilla CA army. They're all useful for different roles.
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Yeah that was sort of my verdict after running it through with him. Basically the question for him was how useful the Unidrons would be as he expanded his force. I basically said as he expanded they seemed like a great option to return to for one or two regular orders that would more or less chill out in his DZ if he needed them. As I said I'm not super knowledable on list building for CA as I've never attempted it in the years I've played the game, it's also by far the faction I've played against the least, whether its our store (we have one Shas player) or the various ITS tournaments I traveled to back in 2012-2013 when I had more time to play competitively. Quite looking forward to doing so again this year. Beats me what I want to play, might rock up with Corregidor and NeoTerra.
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Chiming in on this note here: it is amazing the amount of vitriol over this I have seen online. On the infinity forums some chap was writing similar 'this is unamerican' comments and said that several of his new local players had sold off their Infinity collections due to the wait for new profiles. I mean the rules haven't been out for even a month, that's insane. I am as eager for the info as the next guy, but let's keep it in perspective here. I expect really balancing game rules to take time and I don't think miniature wargame designers are really going to be pushing their bleeding noses to the grindstone to get us our precious precious profiles ASAP, heedless of their own personal lives. To continue on this theme, I am half-American half-English and have no dog in this fight, but I don't see how American vs European workers' rights are a key difference here, or that they are being portrayed honestly. I am not having a go at you Cyclomatic, but project management wise, it seems unusual to fire a key designer because a deadline hasn't been hit. It seems here that CB aren't missing a hard deadline - no publishing costs or marketing is being wasted by the profiles being released (for free online) a week later. And I don't think this difference of opinion stems from the atlantic divide either. Europe has plenty of high-stress work environments, but a small miniature designer isn't exactly like working in the financial sector. You can't expect people to throw everything else aside and work 24/7 to supply stats to needy miniatures. Again, not trying to insult anyone, but things need to be kept in proportion.
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osirisisdead posted:No. That's a terrible idea for a lot of reasons. It is exactly what PP did during their edition change, and to my understanding it is similar to what Wyrd did during their edition change. PP timed it so their Warmachine MK2 release lined up with the Hordes MK2 beta release. The only time anyone was missing rules was when said rules didn't exist yet. CB isn't getting yelled at for not having the rules yet, they are getting yelled at for sitting on the rules while they take their sweet time drawing pretty pictures, formatting them, and finding typos. Less typos than the number of typos that would be reported to them by people using a beta version of the rules to boot. Pierzak posted:I kinda hope they aren't. I love CB because they're people first, company second, and corporation not at all. I'm pissed off at the clusterfuck that's the N3 release organization and I still prefer to get those profiles/rules weeks later than to see them turn their passion into a chore. (well, that and the game would suffer for it) This is a false choice. It isn't business first or people first. It is priorities first. If you release a major revision of your company's primary product, then unless someone's mother is on their death bed, it is all hands on deck moving heaven and earth until things are stable. When things are stable, you put people first because those people put the business first when the future of the business needed the support. Vacation, relaxed days, and bonuses come after making sure your business (and your paycheck, and the paycheck of everyone else the the company) is secure as possible. It isn't very people first to let the place of employment suffer, since eventually that means someone gets laid off, paychecks stagnate or shrink. People ought to work to live and not live to work. However, if people think they can live to live, then they most likely won't like the living they are doing. If a white collar worker is sitting there expecting life to never be a chore, there are usually several workers below them seeing smaller paychecks. I highly doubt the people running the smelter or packing blisters would honestly describe their work as being anything other than a chore on any given day, so the only thing they can get out of the deal is all the hours they need and better pay. They are trying to bring a major influx of money into their company, to their employees, and into their community... but God forbid that they should have to bust rear end like rear end has never been busted before to make sure it goes smoothy. If company is always second, then it means customers are always second. They expect you to pay them, but they expect to deliver the work when they feel like getting around to it. Seems one sided. Giving off an aura like you don't care to your customers is bad for business. There is a path of logic that leads Americans to think that being lackadaisical in relation to work makes you a bad person and leads to moral outrage. Whatever, at least it appears that we now have a date, and we understand customers are no-kidding always second place so we can adjust our expectations. At this point it is what it is.
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You are actually bitching about a company that is not immediately giving you something as a free download "RIGHT NOW MOTHERFUCKER!!!" You can still play N2. Those rules aren't suddenly disappeared out of existence because a new edition came out. You can even mix N2 statlines in with N3! *gasp* The N2 rulebook that I used for the past six months was a fan-compiled edition of the rules that CB was totally cool with! Do you realize how amazing that poo poo is?!? Please stop. At this point, you are only digging yourself a deeper hole in that mountain of cultural superiority bullshit that you are calling logic. quote:
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Genghis Cohen posted:I am not having a go at you Cyclomatic, but project management wise, it seems unusual to fire a key designer because a deadline hasn't been hit. They wouldn't be fired for missing the deadline, and his twitter post was a deadline. They'd run a very high risk of fired out of moral outrage at them missing the deadline and then going on vacation without having at least turned *something* in and walking out the door like it wasn't a big deal. CB dipped their toe into international business, and they've bungled into it good. They might as well have made an offhand Nazi joke or said Taiwan wasn't part of China.
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Us Americans want everyone else to live just as stress-filled and unenjoyable a corporate life as we believe we're stuck with. It's genuinely odd to think about the fact that, while the result will likely not be perfect from a profit standpoint, CB is still probably going to be just fine with the additional delay for the sake of employee rights. It's... strange, almost an unsettling policy to see in action, at least as an American who has been stuffed with corporate ideology. Yet the more I've thought about it over the past day or so, the more that I like it. e: Cyclomatic posted:CB dipped their toe into international business, and they've bungled into it good. They might as well have made an offhand Nazi joke or said Taiwan wasn't part of China. Okay, no. It's not that bad. Yet this sort of post ought to indicate how deep the ideological stereotype of American business has become ingrained. It's a core identity thing at this point. Corbeau fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Jan 2, 2015 |
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Cyclomatic posted:They wouldn't be fired for missing the deadline, and his twitter post was a deadline. But you're making a huge logical leap both in the importance of the deadline - which is just a twitter-announced date that something free will be available to download - and the designer's behaviour - I very much doubt he looked around at 5pm and scurried away without his boss/colleague's full knowledge, it seems likely that they were fine with the download being pushed back. After all it isn't actually costing them anything, because who the hell is going to be crazy enough to stop playing or not begin playing the game because there is a few weeks delay to some of the rules?
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osirisisdead posted:You can still play N2. Those rules aren't suddenly disappeared out of existence because a new edition came out. You can even mix N2 statlines in with N3! *gasp* This has never been a good argument to justify rough patches in edition changes. It wasn't a good argument when Wyrd made it so half their products suddenly were unusable with Malifaux 2E, it wasn't a good argument when Warhammer 8th made the Skaven army book's weakness into it's greatest strength and it's a poo poo argument for Infinity 3E have gimped profile selection and tons of unclear rules confusion. The fact is they should have pushed back until they had everything ready for the new edition. It was a dumb as gently caress idea to go into the time of the year when people have the most disposable income on hand without any idea how a large number of products would function in a new edition. Hell, some of the starter boxes don't have legal lists in them right now, which is basically the worst idea you could have in relation to trying to get people to spend christmas money on new manbarbies.
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If Corvus Belli quashed things like the the Unofficial Infinity Rulebook, then I would agree with you. But, they didn't. CB is doing this whole thing differently, and I like it. They loving release their goddamn motherfucking rules for loving free. The print books are optional if you want to support the company/your LGS with more money. The same rules don't apply. --- I caught a post on the official forums that suggest that the Clausewitz Uhlans model is slated for release "next year" That's probably going to be my favored T.A.G. choice, though I'm also staring at the Cutter because even though I'm heavily invested into the NCA sectorial, I doubt I'd need to break out of vanilla PanO force allocation when I'm running with a T.A.G. Do any of y'all have a better idea or other rumors, or a progress report on the model? The concept art makes me feel all warm inside. Cyberpunkey Monkey fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Jan 2, 2015 |
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osirisisdead posted:I caught a post on the official forums that suggest that the Clausewitz Uhlans model is slated for release "next year" We have no hard data, only stuff Bostria said on podcasts. Which is pretty much just "next year, but probably not early next year." I want an Uhlan too. 
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El Estrago Bonito posted:This has never been a good argument to justify rough patches in edition changes. It wasn't a good argument when Wyrd made it so half their products suddenly were unusable with Malifaux 2E, it wasn't a good argument when Warhammer 8th made the Skaven army book's weakness into it's greatest strength and it's a poo poo argument for Infinity 3E have gimped profile selection and tons of unclear rules confusion. If the rough patch is like a month and a half long I don't know how terrible of an idea it really is, in 3 months nobody's going to be like "Hey, remember when we couldn't use all of our models for a bit?"
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Corbeau posted:We have no hard data, only stuff Bostria said on podcasts. Which is pretty much just "next year, but probably not early next year." OK! I'm going to get the Cutter for sure then. Which I am totally okay with too because it's a slick model and I don't have a T.A.G. yet.
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I am considering dipping my toes back into infinity, and a buddy if mine has a bunch of yu jing that he doesnt want anymore. I am torn between the cool looking orange chinese themed dudes, or JSA stuff. Assuming this ever breaks out of just being a painting project and I actually playa, can someone explain the playstyle differences between the JSA and chinese stuff? It looks like maybe the JSA are a little more elite, but its been so long since ive played I really cant evaluate model rules very well.
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JSA tends to play as a glass cannon lightning bruiser sort of style, lots of mobile troops that hit hard but are fairly squishy. Lots of CC emphasis and close quarter fighting for this sectorial too, you won't get much in the way of long range weapons if I remember correctly. ISS tends to use a mix of powerful HI backed up by REMs and lovely cannon fodder. The ISS stuff is actually pretty cool I think for this reason, you get some monster HI who are fully tricked out in the latest gear ordering a bunch of suicide troops into combat like some feudal lords. ISS also has quite a large merc pool to choose from like Lucien Sforza and some ALEPH liaison.
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PaintVagrant posted:I am considering dipping my toes back into infinity, and a buddy if mine has a bunch of yu jing that he doesnt want anymore. I am torn between the cool looking orange chinese themed dudes, or JSA stuff. Assuming this ever breaks out of just being a painting project and I actually playa, can someone explain the playstyle differences between the JSA and chinese stuff? Yu Jing as a whole is a very balanced faction with an emphasis on extremely capable and powerful heavy infantry in powered armor. They can fit almost any play style you want. The JSA is an extremely aggressive balls-to-the-wall offensive glass cannon. They have an absurd amount of offensive tools and precious few defensive units. If you like accepting risks in exchange for maximizing rewards then go JSA. e: And I guess there's the ISS. I don't really understand them.
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Belatedly, but reading these posts made me glad I play Infinity in glorious  , where we actually play and enjoy the game, and can wait a few weeks for the PDF.Jesus loving Christ even the grognards that come into my store to bitch about GW's practices aren't this entitled.
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TAG dates: gently caress knows, PanO is still missing quite a few TAGs from their line and it's been bugging me for years now. They're a lot slower at releasing TAGs (understandably) so it hits PanO harder than others where it's a faction strength and drawing point. The new Squalo is really nice though and it's a TAG I tended to use quite a bit in NCA, so I'm glad that thing got a direly needed resculpt. I want my Toni. WAR FOOT posted:Belatedly, but reading these posts made me glad I play Infinity in glorious El Estrago Bonito posted:Infinity 3E have gimped profile selection and tons of unclear rules confusion. You can't just push back a printed product release date like that last minute, so that argument doesn't work either.
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Flipswitch posted:The new Squalo is really nice though and it's a TAG I tended to use quite a bit in NCA, so I'm glad that thing got a direly needed resculpt. Is the Squalo meant to be an Armored Cavalry replacement? If so, maybe I'll get that one instead so I can run it with NCA... NO! Wait! I don't know! I really wanted the Cutter first, back before I semi-accidently started an NCA force based on the immediate availability and sale-status of some of the models.
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osirisisdead posted:Is the Squalo meant to be an Armored Cavalry replacement? If so, maybe I'll get that one instead so I can run it with NCA... Praise the NeoTerran lord and saviour, the Auxbot spam.
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Corbeau posted:I keep going back and forth on whether to pull the trigger on NCA TAGs or wait for a Svalarhiema sectorial for some Jotum + link action. Question's moot for a moment thanks to the Govad, but still... I was always surprised that NCA only had access to two TAGs though, being the super high-tech sect I'd have thought they would have had access to more, but all the other PanO tags are planet/system based really so they wouldn't exactly fit either.
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Thanks dudes. ISS sounds pretty cool. Back when I played a lot my friend used to annoy the poo poo out of me with kuang shi (?), the dicks with the chain rifles and built in suicide bombs. Im considering just doing a small balanced army for a couple of factions to sort of demo to friends/collect. So I might bug you all for some list building advice once Nazi Gay Hitler CB decide to release the pdf of all the model rules 
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Infinity: The Black Gay Spanish Hitler Game.
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Registration for the Rumble on Route 66 2015 has opened. Last year's started the whole Dire States torunament trend, and is still the largest infinity tournament in the US. If you are in the South West US or can make it down to Western Texas in March, go to this. Don't worry about Shitlords either, everyone is there to have a great time. And knows how to use soap.
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Bear Throne posted:Route 66 Rumble I might be able to do this, because they're doing a patch, rather than a T-shirt. 
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