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He’s being kept alive by sacrificing psykers if I understood the scene correctly Teatd 2 story Not contradicting just making sure I understood the story
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Yah, that's right. They're even doing that in the current timeline as well. It's more of a power boost than anything else.
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Dec 20, 2023 06:53
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An abominable intelligence could be connected to the throne and handle the stresses with enough liquid cooling with blood. 
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euphronius posted:He’s being kept alive by sacrificing psykers if I understood the scene correctly Ah, yeah that makes sense. As of the end of EatD2 Malcador is still "alive," in the sense that time doesn't work and the instant of his death is getting stretched to infinity. But he's still an invisible guiding hand, working through his agents. It'll be interesting to see how and if that changes in book 3!
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Dec 20, 2023 18:09
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Have they ever explained where the throne came from? From what I remember they've described it being an alien artifact the Emperor found? Was it on Terra? Somewhere else? Or was it just built? They could have Trazyn just show up and take it if they want an easy way to move the story along, I guess.
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Dec 20, 2023 21:07
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A dash of war-in-heaven era tech, a splash of eldar craft and a sprinkle of the Emp's and the Mechanicum's own work, right? I can't actually figure out where I might've got the war-in-heaven idea from right now, so it's possible I'm totally misremembering something. It was found on Terra in the first place, according to big E and lil' M, but we know nothing about whether it was crafted there or how it got there.
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I've been catching up on Chis Wraight and it has been excellent. Hollow Mountain, Dark City, Sea of Souls then I'm on Regent's Shadow now. For the three of them its been weird going back in time though. For a bit I was like "wow whats happening on Terra" then after a bit I remembered these books helped kick off the current status quo. I think I just have Lords of Silence and 1-2 of his space wolf novels to go.
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Black Griffon posted:A dash of war-in-heaven era tech, a splash of eldar craft and a sprinkle of the Emp's and the Mechanicum's own work, right? I can't actually figure out where I might've got the war-in-heaven idea from right now, so it's possible I'm totally misremembering something. It was found on Terra in the first place, according to big E and lil' M, but we know nothing about whether it was crafted there or how it got there. It’s a very old piece of archaeotech buried on earth and nobody knows exactly who made it
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The basics of it. Big E also bolted on xenos tech (specifically Eldar) and a good dose of his own tinkering. Nobody on terra really understands what the Throne is it what it is meant to do and while he had a clear idea of what he wanted it to do, it's highly likely even the Emperor didn't actually really know what it does.
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Malcador also describes it in a way that suggests it might be sentient in one form or another, though that could just be hyperbolic metaphor
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Do over Ham posted:Yoink!
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Philthy posted:Have they ever explained where the throne came from? From what I remember they've described it being an alien artifact the Emperor found? Was it on Terra? Somewhere else? Or was it just built? Read the white scars books in the heresy series if you haven’t.
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0konner posted:Read the white scars books in the heresy series if you haven’t. Outside of Warhawk, I have not. I'll keep an eye out, though.
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Since the throne is directly “above” a webway portal my assumption is that it is a really old Old One artifact that they used to do warp stuff back in the day. Maybe it was even used to seed the Earth with life 4 billion years ago or whatever
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It's strongly suggested that Alexander the Great was either a puppet of Emps or one of Emps' many identities, and that the Throne was recovered from Persepolis before it was destroyed by fire -- presumably, to erase whatever remained of the secrets there.
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euphronius posted:Since the throne is directly “above” a webway portal my assumption is that it is a really old Old One artifact that they used to do warp stuff back in the day. Maybe it was even used to seed the Earth with life 4 billion years ago or whatever That and it's got a whole vacant/abandoned webway zone where they were setting up the staging area for traveling between all the imperial worlds without warp travel. The bits in Master of Mankind where Eldar were sealing their entrances to the webway because of the huge demonic incursion* was neat. Thanks, Magnus.
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I was hoping that would take me to a 40K shitposting thread I didn't know about, instead it took me to a Simpsons thread  (Is there a 40K shitposting thread? I'm jonesing for some)
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Has there been any lore put to paper of Guilliman meeting back up with The Lion yet? Any books announced?
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Kylaer posted:I was hoping that would take me to a 40K shitposting thread I didn't know about, instead it took me to a Simpsons thread There's always the SLAM SECTOR
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Philthy posted:Has there been any lore put to paper of Guilliman meeting back up with The Lion yet? Any books announced? Not yet but that's not surprising, Guilliman is mostly operating in Imperium Sanctus and has a fuckton on his plate while the Lion is ping ponging around Imperium Nihilus trying to put out every fire he comes across in a sea of fire.
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The Lion book ends with him receiving an envoy from the Blood Angels headed up by Dante himself, who was sent by Guilliman to acknowledge and support the Lion and his dark angels/fallen/risen/whatever force, so they're definitely aware of each other and to some degree working towards the same goal (Saving humanity).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbj_bR0VONw Chris is back with part 3 of the best Black Library quotes.
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von Metternich posted:Angron's is quite good in my opinion. The main characters are KHARN, and a group of old World Eaters/War Hounds who don't like the way the Legion has been going, and are trying to stop the experiments with the Butcher's Nails, with some flashbacks to Angron's time in the gladiator pits. I think in Modern 40k, that Marine basically wouldn't exist without the Unnumbered Sons. Most Chapters have their own rites and practices that work to ensure that the Marine is a part of the Chapter as a whole. I think one thing that we forget as fans is that most of the Aspirants have only ever seen their own chapter as Marines. If you grow up on Rynn's World, you'll only ever have a chance to join the Crimson Fists, and those who don't become part of the Chapter proper, are still dedicated to it as servants. The fact that character was A) one of the Unnumbered Sons and B) was held in cold storage for 10000 years meant that he didn't have that original indoctrination that made him want to be a Novamarine in the first place. Also RE: Emperor on the Throne. There was that interview a few years ago with Abnett by Ars Technica(?) Where he brought up the idea that the Emp might be trying to regenerate but the throne keeps damaging him so he can't fully heal. It was also the interview where Abnett stated that the Emperor had made the decision to undergo apotheosis and become the God-Emperor of ManKind rather than stick to the Imperial Truth because he felt that was the only way to properly fight against Chaos. Finally, Guymer was the person who (to me) really got that Stormcast Eternals are not "Space Marines of Sigmar". Hamilcar: Champion of the Gods is written with the main character as a boastful, prideful warrior who is having fun running around and fighting people. Most other Stormcast novels have the Stormcasts effectively be written in the Marine mold, where they're a bunch of sullen warrior Monks who take no pleasure in anything but bringing about the death of their enemies. Hamilcar's introduction is that he literally jumps over a river, just so that he can say he was the first of Sigmar's Chosen to enter enemy territory... meanwhile his underlings roll their collective eyes at his antics and he's stuck solo for a few hours because they don't have bridges set up yet. I know a few of you are wondering why I'm talking about Age of Sigmar, and the answer is that the author of Hamilcar is the one who wrote Angron. I need to read more of his stuff but he seems like a good author to watch.
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hopterque posted:The Lion book ends with him receiving an envoy from the Blood Angels headed up by Dante himself, who was sent by Guilliman to acknowledge and support the Lion and his dark angels/fallen/risen/whatever force, so they're definitely aware of each other and to some degree working towards the same goal (Saving humanity). I don't think Guilliman had specifically sent him at that point, he'd just appointed Dante to watch over Nihilihus & went back to Sanctus and then Dante heard about the Lion's return and went to investigate personally. I'm sure that word has reached Gulliman by the end of Arks of Omen, at least.
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Abnetts opinion on the throne you mentioned is maybe foreshadowed in teatd2 when the one psyker perpetual is crushed under rocks and keeps coming back to life and dying again
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euphronius posted:Abnetts opinion on the throne you mentioned is maybe foreshadowed in teatd2 when the one psyker perpetual is crushed under rocks and keeps coming back to life and dying again That’s such a great scene. Really captures the horror of being able to be hurt, and to suffer, even killed, but being unable to stay dead. Immortality can absolutely be a horrific curse, too.
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So I'm working through Echoes of Eternity and man ADB can write some grimy-feeling hopeless poo poo. 40k novels aren't the type to evoke anything more than the metaphorical manly tear from me, but the chapter with Arkhan Land retreating towards the Sanctum and the final bit of the chapter got me good. Keeble sells it big time too. Had to pause my listen after that poo poo.
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The best bit of EoE is checking in on what's up with the best Titan Legion, Legio Audax.
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euphronius posted:Abnetts opinion on the throne you mentioned is maybe foreshadowed in teatd2 when the one psyker perpetual is crushed under rocks and keeps coming back to life and dying again Yeah, it works out something like "I should be able to dig myself out in 10 years or so, but the world is going to end before then."
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wiegieman posted:Yeah, it works out something like "I should be able to dig myself out in 10 years or so, but the world is going to end before then." What happens if they just pave and build over the area without clearing everything and they’re still under there?
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MariusLecter posted:What happens if they just pave and build over the area without clearing everything and they’re still under there? Add another hundred years then, give or take
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wiegieman posted:Yeah, it works out something like "I should be able to dig myself out in 10 years or so, but the world is going to end before then." My memory is goddawful considering I only reay the book a few weeks ago, but didn't Dorn find her while he was escaping through the wall?
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End 2 was alright. A lot of the stuff in the beginning, detailing how loyalists are getting owned and the palace is falling felt pretty repetitive. Been reading about the unending traitor hordes killing everybody for years like I get it, especially since a lot of it was basically the same as End 1. Once the space-time folding gets going it gets more interesting. Does a good job of showing just how bad things on Terra are. Too many perspectives though imo, even if a lot of them only last a chapter or two. The Dark King being the Emperor was neat but honestly he didn't do anything and then Oll called him a punk and he was like 'oh yeah, fair point' and gave up. Maybe it will come back again in book three but felt like a fairly weak arc all in all. I did really enjoy Ahriman showing up to get a peek at all the cool books before everything went to poo poo
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LegionAreI posted:So I'm working through Echoes of Eternity and man ADB can write some grimy-feeling hopeless poo poo. 40k novels aren't the type to evoke anything more than the metaphorical manly tear from me, but the chapter with Arkhan Land retreating towards the Sanctum and the final bit of the chapter got me good. I recall that ADB was (or still is? Hopefully he's getting better) dealing with severe depression of his own, so I have to think that's likely an influence on his writing style 
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DaysBefore posted:End 2 was alright. A lot of the stuff in the beginning, detailing how loyalists are getting owned and the palace is falling felt pretty repetitive. Been reading about the unending traitor hordes killing everybody for years like I get it, especially since a lot of it was basically the same as End 1. Once the space-time folding gets going it gets more interesting. Does a good job of showing just how bad things on Terra are. Too many perspectives though imo, even if a lot of them only last a chapter or two. I think the purpose of the Dark King is basically this: The Emperor is a dumbass who's always taking the shortest path to whatever goal he's set out for, and it constantly bites him in the rear end which is what Oli is calling him on. There's a lot of character growth for the Emperor in both volumes so far in that it's acknowledged by Malcador that the primarchs were only ever meant to die for him if necessary and were just tools, but Sanguinius in particular is robbing him of that notion and he's starting to see all his sons in this new light and as potential equals. Him shedding the Dark King aspect is as much about the Emperor's own growth and his switch to a much longer term plan which I think is what we've seen across the 10 millennia of awful lovely history. I think it's also likely that the Star Child is actively engaged in the galaxy at large and I think Abnett has used this with Saint Sabbat who is a very compassionate person and I think the reason for this is that it's the Star Child aspect of the Emperor that she's channeling. Compare this to say, the Martyrs Tomb, where every religious fanatic is mega Hitler and I think that's the guy on the throne right now.
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Dog_Meat posted:My memory is goddawful considering I only reay the book a few weeks ago, but didn't Dorn find her while he was escaping through the wall? Yes.
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TEATD 2: I would be surprised (and a bit disappointed) if that was the last we heard of the Dark King stuff. I know Abnett has a reputation for abrupt endings, but so far that whole storyline seems to be a bit pointless. Just gotta be a few more twists in that story before we get to the 10k years on the Throne. I'm also hoping that there's literally anything in store for Oll and the 'long companions'. They all seemed to die without really doing anything - Katt was built up as a mystery, but just acted as a check for Actae/Cyrene? I did get a laugh out of the servitor hitting Erebus with a storage container.
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Crab Battle posted:TEATD 2: I'm still annoyed that ruled out my own personal theory about who really kills Horus. 'Leave. Him. To. Me. Trooper Perrson' 
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