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powderific
May 13, 2004

Grimey Drawer
Capture one is for windows too and I just tested live view capture with my Z6 and a windows laptop and it works fine.

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larper
Apr 9, 2019

powderific posted:

Capture one is for windows too and I just tested live view capture with my Z6 and a windows laptop and it works fine.

Doesnt work with Nikon

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.

larper posted:

Doesnt work with Nikon

The Capture One website says that live view and tethering are both supported on the Z6 (As of v12). What is your setup and what are you experiencing?

powderific
May 13, 2004

Grimey Drawer

larper posted:

Doesnt work with Nikon

It worked with my Nikon Z6, and back when I had a D800 I believe it worked with that fine too. So it definitely works with some Nikon.

edit: are you just a weird lowkey troll? You have to tell us its the rules.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.
Yeah, this person's post history is...something. Some people sure have weird ways of entertaining themselves

larper
Apr 9, 2019

Sagebrush posted:

The Capture One website says that live view and tethering are both supported on the Z6 (As of v12). What is your setup and what are you experiencing?

Windows 10 it doesnt even start

Chutch
Jan 1, 2008
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My D3200 with AF-S nikkor 18-55 lens makes a squeeking sound when it's adjusting the autofocus and it does not take a picture when I press to take the picture. There is no problem when I switch the lens to manual focus. Also worth noting I have tried with my friendsw lens (same model) and problem is still there.

Is this a common issue? I've tried with googling, but cant seem to find any help.

Business of Ferrets
Mar 2, 2008

Good to see that everything is back to normal.

Chutch posted:

My D3200 with AF-S nikkor 18-55 lens makes a squeeking sound when it's adjusting the autofocus and it does not take a picture when I press to take the picture. There is no problem when I switch the lens to manual focus. Also worth noting I have tried with my friendsw lens (same model) and problem is still there.

Is this a common issue? I've tried with googling, but cant seem to find any help.

Something is clearly up with the lens, but if it is not opening the shutter you might check to see if you have the camera set to Focus Priority, which will only take a picture when the camera senses things to be in focus.

Chutch
Jan 1, 2008
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Business of Ferrets posted:

Something is clearly up with the lens, but if it is not opening the shutter you might check to see if you have the camera set to Focus Priority, which will only take a picture when the camera senses things to be in focus.

I don't think it's the lens, as I have the same problem when putting my friends lens on my camera.

Business of Ferrets
Mar 2, 2008

Good to see that everything is back to normal.
Ah sorry, read past that part. Do other lenses work ok on your camera?

Brrrmph
Feb 27, 2016

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I’ve shot a D3 for about eight years. Is a D4S a huge upgrade? There are many well below the $2000 mark and I could unload my D3 and upgrade for about $800-1000. Anyone have experience with both?

larper
Apr 9, 2019

Heated Gaming Moment posted:

I’ve shot a D3 for about eight years. Is a D4S a huge upgrade? There are many well below the $2000 mark and I could unload my D3 and upgrade for about $800-1000. Anyone have experience with both?

bad buy cant use telaphoto lenses

Brrrmph
Feb 27, 2016

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larper posted:

bad buy cant use telaphoto lenses

Huh?

Yeast
Dec 25, 2006

$1900 Grande Latte
Larper's gimmick gets funnier as the days go by

frumpykvetchbot
Feb 20, 2004

PROGRESSIVE SCAN
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Heated Gaming Moment posted:

I’ve shot a D3 for about eight years. Is a D4S a huge upgrade? There are many well below the $2000 mark and I could unload my D3 and upgrade for about $800-1000. Anyone have experience with both?

I own a D3s and a D4s both. (The D3s has so many shots on it that it makes no sense to try and sell it so it's now my stunt camera.) It's not a huge upgrade; the change in resolution is not a big deal but the D4s has noticeably richer shadow information and the autofocus is clearly improved. The XQD card slot is an evolutionary dead end but it works as a backup. Minor creature comforts - exposure and ISO mode selectors are nicer on the D4s.

I also own a D850 and I alternate between that and the D4s. I find the D850 has extremely accurate tone and color rendition and is good for nearly all purposes and my go-to studio camera. For night, street and event photography it tends to disappoint a little with the faded and digital appearance of artificial light sources like LED and neon colors which are outside of the gamut of its color filters. This is where the D4s shines, its colors looks as rich as oldtimey slide film and it is subjectively very attractive.

The attached illustration shows response from D850 and D4s to a little street altar with intense red LED lights. The D850 renders the LED highlights as fading into pale pink and then white but essentially no richer in color at any point than the painted red surrounding box. The D4s captures accurately that the LED red light source is far more intensely saturated than the painted red box. (Sorry this is off-topic for your D3 > D4s question. The D3 also handles artificial LED and neon colors very well.)

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Yeast
Dec 25, 2006

$1900 Grande Latte

That's a freaking quality example.

I was looking at replacing my D810 backup body with another D850, but now I'm thinking of a D4S. Nuts.

Brrrmph
Feb 27, 2016

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frumpykvetchbot posted:

I own a D3s and a D4s both. (The D3s has so many shots on it that it makes no sense to try and sell it so it's now my stunt camera.) It's not a huge upgrade; the change in resolution is not a big deal but the D4s has noticeably richer shadow information and the autofocus is clearly improved. The XQD card slot is an evolutionary dead end but it works as a backup. Minor creature comforts - exposure and ISO mode selectors are nicer on the D4s.

I also own a D850 and I alternate between that and the D4s. I find the D850 has extremely accurate tone and color rendition and is good for nearly all purposes and my go-to studio camera. For night, street and event photography it tends to disappoint a little with the faded and digital appearance of artificial light sources like LED and neon colors which are outside of the gamut of its color filters. This is where the D4s shines, its colors looks as rich as oldtimey slide film and it is subjectively very attractive.

The attached illustration shows response from D850 and D4s to a little street altar with intense red LED lights. The D850 renders the LED highlights as fading into pale pink and then white but essentially no richer in color at any point than the painted red surrounding box. The D4s captures accurately that the LED red light source is far more intensely saturated than the painted red box. (Sorry this is off-topic for your D3 > D4s question. The D3 also handles artificial LED and neon colors very well.)



drat. Thank you for the detailed response. I’ve shot a number of Nikon bodies and the D3 has always been my favorite one for metering and color accuracy. Sounds Iike that’s carried into the other pro bodies.

Also I know xqd is a dead format, but man used D5 xqd bodies are cheap as hell, relatively. National Camera here in Sota has one with 8,000 clicks for $3,300. I wish I had the cash to blow on it.

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!
Ooopphh the Z5 is so close to being the perfect camera for me, I don't give a toss about video so the cuts there don't bother me but that 4.5fps seems a tad slow. I'm curious if Z6 prices will shift after this.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.
I am more interested in the announcement that next month they'll have some software to let you use live-view-capable cameras as USB webcams, like Canon and everyone else already have. About time. lol that it took a global pandemic to get all these companies to implement what seems like a really obvious and straightforward feature.

I do hope that it pulls a higher resolution stream than the existing live view system. The Z6 (and other models in the same ballpark, I assume) currently only outputs 20fps 640x425 over USB, which is just embarrassing. Especially since you can get clean 4k30 out from the HDMI port. Using a capture card is a hassle though so I hope they do a good job with this software.

frumpykvetchbot
Feb 20, 2004

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Sagebrush posted:

so I hope they do a good job with this software.

Indeed. It's kind of last chance for relevancy in that respect, isn't it?

Up until the end of the DV era, camcorders used to have live video over firewire which was pretty easy to get working on PCs and particularly Macs, for using camcorders as webcams.

It would be good for Nikon (and other remaining camera manufacturers) to give media pros as many reasons as possible to use their gear all the time. The oldfashioned DSLRs are still mired in the paradigm of being a thing you use for one dedicated purpose and activitiy only, and then you take the memory card out for loading into your PC, and you take the battery out for charging: It is just a multi-thousand-dollar brick while it's regally perched on its shelf.

I like how my Zoom H6 audio recorder doubles as an audio interface. It's my audio buddy, I use it for field audio recording. I clip it on my camera in a cold shoe quarter-inch adapter, sometimes with different mic capsules or a dead kitten wrapped around it. I use it as an audio interface on my desktop which allows me to also use it as a zoom conference mic.

I want my next camera to be like that as much as possible. Something that is bristling with usefulness and makes me want to pick it up and use it for as many purposes as possible.

In the field I want to be able to keep it powered off a USB-C power bank indefinitely if I'm doing long exposure shots or if I'm on a field trip. I don't want to have to bring an AC charger brick. The wifi or bluetooth tether should actually work so I can do full live view and remote control and color grading and media sharing from my phone, and it should importantly just work without fiddly recurring connection problems.

On my desktop I want to connect to it off USB-C and use it as a low-latency live webcam with good face tracking, powered through that connection, with no time limit.

Startyde
Apr 19, 2007

come post with us, forever and ever and ever
Are they still playing these feature games to avoid tax reclassification or whatever that old yarn was?

Yuns
Aug 19, 2000

There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.

Startyde posted:

Are they still playing these feature games to avoid tax reclassification or whatever that old yarn was?
It was an EU tariff of 4.9% or 14% on imported "camcorders" versus no tariff on stills cameras with the relevant distinction being whether they could record 30+ minutes or not. I'm not sure that the tariff is still in place post 2018. It was supposed to sunset then but I haven't followed EU trade law at all. EDIT: Looks like it did sunset for trade between certain countries and the EU as of the 2019 conclusion of the Declaration on the Expansion of Trade in Information Technology Products.

Yuns fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Jul 23, 2020

powderific
May 13, 2004

Grimey Drawer
Webcam over USB being a last chance for relevancy seems like a stretch. It’s definitely annoying how bad almost every mfg’s wireless transfer apps are though.

I despised the H6 we used to have though so I may just be the wrong market.

Mega Comrade posted:

Ooopphh the Z5 is so close to being the perfect camera for me, I don't give a toss about video so the cuts there don't bother me but that 4.5fps seems a tad slow. I'm curious if Z6 prices will shift after this.

This is a long time ago now, but the D800 was 4fps and for me it was totally sufficient. I actually leave my Z6’s continuous low setting right there as it’s just the right speed for me to press quick for a single or just keep holding down if I want continuous. I’m not a sports or wildlife person though so YMMV.

Yeast
Dec 25, 2006

$1900 Grande Latte
Having bought and sold a Z7, I'm really putting my hopes behind a 'pro' (whatever that means) Z body in the future.

There's a couple things with the D850 that I need every day. If they can get low light AF to be as good, not even better, just as good as the 850, and let the tilt screen go 90 degrees instead of 45, I'd likely upgrade everything.

frumpykvetchbot
Feb 20, 2004

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Yeast posted:

and sold a Z7,

What was the deal breaker for you? I thought it was kind of sorta like a Z version of the D850.

I have a bunch of F-mount glass. If I could afford a D6 I'd get one. I figure I'll get one second-hand in 3-4 years. DSLRs probably don't have much of a future and at some point I guess I should give in and get a modern and forward-looking Z body and figure out how to do glass migration, but I'd be very unhappy to let go of OVF. Besides, many of my favorite lenses are vintage AF types with screw drive and the F to Z adapter thing doesn't seem to support those.

On the other hand, the mirrorless bodies and the EVF enables practical video. I have a cumbersome loupe I sometimes put on the LCD of my 850 to do video with it but it is far too much work to attach the contraption for most anything except pre-planned shots. I'm bummed that Nikon never did anything with their hybrid viewfinder patent because it seems like that could have been the best of both worlds - true OVF and then when you want to record video you push a button and the mirror flips up and you're looking through an EVF OLED instead. That could have been the "perfect camera" from the Camera Conspiracies' intro song.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.
Counterpoint: modern EVFs are really good. They are much better for manual focus than an optical system (with peaking and magnification they're even better than a film SLR with a split-prism, I'd say), they can show the actual exposure of the image in real time, and they can see in the dark.

You can't track a moving target as easily because of the pause during readout, and the battery life is obviously worse. Other than those two things though they're great.

Clayton Bigsby
Apr 17, 2005

Any of you ever shoot a pre-VR 500/4 on the Z bodies? Might pick up an AF-S D II since I am being offered a very good price, and figured it might work OK with the in-body stabilization, as well as for a non-stabilized option for the D500.

Yeast
Dec 25, 2006

$1900 Grande Latte

frumpykvetchbot posted:

What was the deal breaker for you? I thought it was kind of sorta like a Z version of the D850.


There were a couple things:

Low light AF was the big one. I’m a food and restaurant photographer, and 1/3rd of the time I’m shooting in low light (see attached pic)



The Z7 hunted for focus constantly. I’m not always able to tripod mount, for example when I’m shooting chefs plating up, they can be in -3ev light pretty often, sometimes worse. I need to be able to focus on the noodles on the fork in this shot with a single point AF and for it to nail it, or else I’m hosed.



The Z7 simply wasn’t up to the task like the 850 was. With a native 50mm S lens it was just ok, but with adapted FTZ pro zooms, forget about it. Which is tough, because I shoot on a 70-200 2.8E every day, and a 105 macro, neither of which are available in Z yet.

The other one, and it’s more minor is the lack of a 90 degree tilt screen. I mostly mount my camera tethered to a boom arm when I need to shoot flat lays, like so:



Which is perfect, but sometimes the client on the day will do a ‘while you’re here, could you please do X’ and I either don’t have the time left in the shoot to setup a boom and align it or whatever, so I do something dumb like this



On the D850, that’s squared up with my
Eye line so I can shoot properly, the Z7 onto tilts to 45, so it’s totally useless.

Other really small bug bears that are annoying but I could live with:

- No vertical grip shutter button. What the gently caress.

- the EVF occasionally matches its refresh rate with modelling lamps on my strobes, so you get big black scan lines that slowly move down the display and cover whatever you’re seeing.

- the image review through the EVF displays the image you just shot (awesome!) but doesn’t honour your set white balance and only shows an ‘auto’ version, so is always wrong. (Not so awesome!’

- lack of buttons. On the 850 if I want to change the AF mode, I can do that without looking, ditto white balance. On the Z7 it’s through a menu system. I know I’m on the wrong side of history here, and this will always be the future.

The rest was excellent! The Z7 takes really lovely images, and the quality is superb. I loved having in body stabilisation for my 60mm macro, that stuff is cool.

The problem is in taking the pictures in the first place. It’s dramatically smaller to hold which is a downside for me, because the custom buttons next to the lens mount are genuinely awkward to access because the grip is so small and close to them. It’s an imaging marvel trapped in a really underwhelming body, which is a huge shame.

Looking at Z native lens shots from the Z7 and it’s indisputable that they’re sharper and the edges are less distorted than any of my current gen, Pro F mount glass. It’s clear as day.

But if I’m not zooming in or cropping in to 100% magnification and using that shot every time, then the D850 is still a much better camera.

The Z glass is the future. Hands down, no argument it’s simply better than F mount. But the pro body has to be much, much better.

sorry if the formatting is weird, posting on the app.

Yeast fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Jul 27, 2020

frumpykvetchbot
Feb 20, 2004

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Yeast posted:

There were a couple things:

Awesome and insightful perspectives, thank you!

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!
Yeah I really enjoyed reading that. Thanks for posting.

Dread Head
Aug 1, 2005

0-#01
Interesting, I have been thinking about switching to the Z system mostly for weight/size as most of my photography these days is hiking based. I am hoping a new generation of Z6/7 come out as I feel they are lacking some things. Nice to hear some feedback from someone who has used one although not quiet the use case I am intending.

Yeast
Dec 25, 2006

$1900 Grande Latte
Too easy :)

And to your point Dread Head, you're absolutely right - a bunch of stuff I gripe about will be a total non-event to a lot of shooters, in which case go for a Z camera, they're great, especially if you have any interest in video at all.

I'm really rooting for Nikon, I've shot on their product for 15 odd years and have no desire to move to anything else quite honestly.

When I was in Tokyo for a shoot in February I used my one afternoon off and went to the stupid Nikon Museum and bought a camera strap because I'm a huge sucker :v:

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.
I got a Z6 to replace my 5D2 for four reasons:

- I wanted something significantly smaller and lighter than the 5D2
- I mostly use old MF lenses and the peaking/EVF zoom were very appealing
- again because I use old lenses having in-body stabilization was very appealing
- I have always felt that Nikons have the best ergonomics (especially compared to the next obvious choice, Sony)

and it addresses all of those things perfectly. I am not a professional photographer but for my use case it's perfect.

powderific
May 13, 2004

Grimey Drawer
I’m relatively happy with my Z6 coming from a D850 and then previous to that D800/D750 duo. Didn’t need the megapixels for work anymore and wanted something better for my manual focus lenses. I loved the D800 with AF-D and AF-S lenses, but my main work is all video now and I went to manual focus lenses that are a pain with the optical viewfinder. No amount of shimming would get the D850 aligned enough to be in focus to the eye when the camera was actually in focus.

Really rooting for Nikon too, but unless they come out with some better compact lenses I’ll probably move on to something that’s either a better compliment to my main video camera or more compact for the more personal stills stuff.

toggle
Nov 7, 2005

I love my Z6. I wanted something I could shoot video with (majority of my work), and wildlife/landscape/astrophotography - all things that it does really well. Coming from a GH5 has been night and day because I know that it will give me a nice clean image in dark places. I've been using the GH5 since 2017 and it really started to grate on me how poo poo the m4/3 sensor can be, plus I like the Nikon colours a lot better. The stabilisation (and 4k at 60p) is what I really miss from my GH5 though. But using the 2 for video shoots has worked out quite well for me.

Looking forward to the Z6s, which apparently has 4k at 60p, dual card slots, and better auto focus. Apparently it's a thing.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Yeast posted:

But if I’m not zooming in or cropping in to 100% magnification and using that shot every time, then the D850 is still a much better camera.
badabing

Brrrmph
Feb 27, 2016

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Anyone know what the D500 SD slot write speed is? Like will it go as fast as the card’s max speed or is it nerfed at all?

powderific
May 13, 2004

Grimey Drawer
I don’t think it’s nerfed but it might not hit top speeds: https://www.cameramemoryspeed.com/nikon-d500/sd-and-xqd-card-speed-test/

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
I have a D80 body. How do I get the number of pictures it’s taken? Quick search says to take a picture and check the EXIF data but I don’t have a lens or a memory card. Is there a hidden debug/diagnostic screen that will tell me this?

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Fools Infinite
Mar 21, 2006
Journeyman
You should be able to set it to shoot without a lens. You might be able to tether the camera if you don't have a memory card.

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