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Sagebrush posted:Yeah this is my feeling as well. I know that "run what ya brung" is a big part of the Nurburgring's thing but allowing bikes and cars on the same track -- let alone a serious racer on an S1000 alongside a bunch of tourists in lovely little VWs and stuff -- seems monumentally stupid. Closed environment and all, and obviously the guy can handle his bike; but him working some of those packs did have me puckering a bit. My local bike shop making me want to buy something that is too pretty: 
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Sagebrush posted:Yeah this is my feeling as well. I know that "run what ya brung" is a big part of the Nurburgring's thing but allowing bikes and cars on the same track -- let alone a serious racer on an S1000 alongside a bunch of tourists in lovely little VWs and stuff -- seems monumentally stupid. When you're in that kind of environment and carrying that kind of speed.... it's on you to not gently caress up, and by that I include what happened here.
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Jun 17, 2017 05:31
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BlackMK4 posted:When you're in that kind of environment and carrying that kind of speed.... it's on you to not gently caress up, and by that I include what happened here. IME, Germans are more into personal responsibility as well. It is on "you" to handle yourself and if you cannot then you reap the rewards for being an idiot. Which is why karting places in Germany have full bars and DGAF if you drink before racing but here in America I have to watch an instructional video about how I need to contact staff if im aware of any other racers having consumed drugs or alcohol in the prior 24 hours to the race.
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Jun 17, 2017 13:30
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Lyndon Poskitt is riding his Dakar rally bike in Erzberg. Here's the prologue. https://youtu.be/pXOobp4TeuY Live at 5:30 AM eastern tomorrow morning. https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1QVQDZUF91W11/red-bull-hare-scramble
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Jun 17, 2017 13:33
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It is quite weird how some people go on and on about "nanny states" in the context of welfare and healthcare, when the US seems to be a country that is built around the principle of "it's always someone elses fault".
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Jun 17, 2017 14:51
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YF19pilot posted:My local bike shop making me want to buy something that is too pretty: That turquoise is gorgeous! 
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Jun 17, 2017 15:30
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Nidhg00670000 posted:It is quite weird how some people go on and on about "nanny states" in the context of welfare and healthcare, when the US seems to be a country that is built around the principle of "it's always someone elses fault". I agree. Americans are pussies.
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Jun 17, 2017 15:33
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Chichevache posted:I agree. Americans are pussies. We really are
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Jun 17, 2017 15:45
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Chichevache posted:I agree. Americans are pussies. I don't know much on the subject but don't they take a hell of a pounding?
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Jun 17, 2017 15:49
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cursedshitbox posted:I don't know much on the subject but don't they take a hell of a pounding? 
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Jun 17, 2017 17:56
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cursedshitbox posted:I don't know much on the subject but don't they take a hell of a pounding? I was slightly disappointed to find out Betty White didn't really come up with that joke
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Jun 17, 2017 18:59
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Nidhg00670000 posted:It is quite weird how some people go on and on about "nanny states" in the context of welfare and healthcare, when the US seems to be a country that is built around the principle of "it's always someone elses fault".
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Jun 17, 2017 20:27
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It's definitely lawsuits. Loser pays and juries not being composed of idiots would fix a lot of it.
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Jun 17, 2017 21:18
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Heck yeah, going for a ride today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-xrKE9rClg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXyVp7iw10Q
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Collateral Damage posted:I think it's mostly because of lawsuits. If you can blame someone else you can sue them so businesses take extreme measures to protect themselves from lawsuits, which shows itself as treating everyone like a baby. Other countries have lawsuits too, don't they? ...Or do they make it more prohibitively difficult to file something than the US does?
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Jun 18, 2017 18:05
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Slide Hammer posted:Other countries have lawsuits too, don't they? ...Or do they make it more prohibitively difficult to file something than the US does? In many countries the loser pays the winners legal expenses. But not in the US.
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Jun 18, 2017 18:41
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It's mostly that the element of common sense that people are supposed to have apparently doesn't protect you from lawsuits, and therefor you have to treat everyone as if they are 4 years old in the US. The US section of my hairdryer manual contains helpful advise such as "don't try to use it as a dip heater for water" and the same for the toaster tells me it's "not to be used for defrosting meat". These things would never cross my mind, and if they did, I'd only have my own dumb rear end to blame and would be laughed out of court if I tried litigating about it. builds character posted:In many countries the loser pays the winners legal expenses. But not in the US. And also that.
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Slide Hammer posted:Other countries have lawsuits too, don't they? ...Or do they make it more prohibitively difficult to file something than the US does? So there's no point in frivolous lawsuits like "I want a gazillion dollars because I burned myself on your hot coffee and the cup didn't warn me the content was hot!" because at best you'd get compensated for a bottle of aloe vera and a new cup of coffee.
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Collateral Damage posted:In addition to what others have said, at least in Sweden the claimant doesn't get to decide the damage to sue for, that's up to the court to decide if and when the case is settled. And at best you can hope to recover legal costs, any actual costs incurred (like medical bills, loss of income, loss of property, etc) and a minor amount for inconveniences. wasn't that coffee so hot it fused the woman's labias together
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EX250 Type R posted:wasn't that coffee so hot it fused the woman's labias together No. The coffee was boiling hot and she was wearing sweatpants that absorbed the coffee and held it against the skin of her thighs and groin. She got severely scalded and had to have skin grafts. All the stuff about "fused her labia together" is some hyperbolic nonsense people make up to be gross. Furthermore, she initially only asked for $20,000 to cover her medical expenses and lost income; McDonald's offered her $800. She took it to court, and her lawyer suggested $225,000, which McDonald's also refused; then the jury (not the lawyers from either side, the judge, or the plaintiff herself) suggested she get $2.7 million. This is because juries are composed entirely of idiots who get excited about the idea of a lawsuit setting them up for life. In a more reasonable country, the suit might not even have happened because you wouldn't pay anything for the medical treatment and your job would provide you with paid medical leave.
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I've always thought that was an urban legend. Either way my point is that we have vastly less punitive damages here and punitive damages aren't given to the claimant, so you can't make a fortune out of suing companies.
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Jun 18, 2017 21:42
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Sagebrush posted:No. The coffee was boiling hot and she was wearing sweatpants that absorbed the coffee and held it against the skin of her thighs and groin. She got severely scalded and had to have skin grafts. All the stuff about "fused her labia together" is some hyperbolic nonsense people make up to be gross. The $2.7 million comes from a rough napkin calculation of how much McDonald's made in a single day of selling coffee at the time. At the start of the lawsuit, the jury were actually in favor of McD's, but McD's experts and lawyers treated the details of hot coffee incidents very coldly, and they were also beating up a grandma, basically. So, the jury were basically "Yeah, this lady is mostly responsible for the incident, but you do serve coffee that's way too hot and frankly you act rather inhuman towards these hot coffee incidents (which were a statistically small amount compared to coffee served), maybe you should do something about that."
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YF19pilot posted:The $2.7 million comes from a rough napkin calculation of how much McDonald's made in a single day of selling coffee at the time. At the start of the lawsuit, the jury were actually in favor of McD's, but McD's experts and lawyers treated the details of hot coffee incidents very coldly, and they were also beating up a grandma, basically. So, the jury were basically "Yeah, this lady is mostly responsible for the incident, but you do serve coffee that's way too hot and frankly you act rather inhuman towards these hot coffee incidents (which were a statistically small amount compared to coffee served), maybe you should do something about that." ultimately Liebeck was only awarded $640,000. Liebeck was hospitalized for eight days while she underwent skin grafting, followed by two years of medical treatment.
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Jun 19, 2017 03:36
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There's a documentary called Hot Coffee about tort reform that talks about the case.
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Sagebrush posted:In a more reasonable country, the suit might not even have happened because you wouldn't pay anything for the medical treatment and your job would provide you with paid medical leave. This is the real driving force behind the US culture of suing over everything that moves, IMO. When I was a kid my best friend hit me in the head with a shovel (accidentally) and I needed stitches and an overnight hospital stay for observation. Total cost to my parents was zero. I've no idea how much that would have cost had we been in the States but I'm very, very confident that they wouldn't have been able to afford it (and neither could my mate's parents either). e: If it comes to it I was a pretty accident-prone kid and my parents would also at various points had to have sued several other of my friends, the makers of a slide in Greenwich Park, and possibly the force of gravity, to recover the costs for the multiple blows to the head that made me the man I am today.
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 goddamnedtwisto posted:This is the real driving force behind the US culture of suing over everything that moves, IMO. When I was a kid my best friend hit me in the head with a shovel (accidentally) and I needed stitches and an overnight hospital stay for observation. Total cost to my parents was zero. I've no idea how much that would have cost had we been in the States but I'm very, very confident that they wouldn't have been able to afford it (and neither could my mate's parents either). Sir, this is a McDonald's drive through.
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 lol just cause it's 38C out... at least he has some fine legs..... for now.
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A customer just bought mesh pants and rode off in his cargo shorts.  E: wrong thread but it goes with the above photo.
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One time I rode my 2009 ZX6R in 120*+ weather with jeans on and got stuck in ASU traffic. It blistered my thighs from the tank heat.
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Yup couple summers ago I rode to Sun City snd back to Tempe in jeans. My thighs we're painfully red. I'm really happy my Vstrom has a pad/wrap around the tank.
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its all nice on rice posted:A customer just bought mesh pants and rode off in his cargo shorts. I finally wore my mesh pants in 100+ and it is the best feeling ever. BlackMK4 posted:got stuck in traffic I don't understand 
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I'm being recruited for a job back home in tennessee and the lack of lanesharing laws is one of the main cons I'm listing for moving back. The plus is that I would get paid more than I do in LA, and no income tax. But yeah it's Tennessee
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Jun 20, 2017 02:59
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Split anyways? Until a lifted truck gets mad and tries to remove you from this earth.
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I've often pondered what I'd do in a country without lane splitting. I suspect if a bro truck is able to endanger your life while you're splitting, you're simply going too slowly. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've seen someone in a car actually aware of my coming up on them while splitting. Just don't give them any time to react, let alone take actions to murder you.
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A MIRACLE posted:I'm being recruited for a job back home in tennessee and the lack of lanesharing laws is one of the main cons I'm listing for moving back. The plus is that I would get paid more than I do in LA, and no income tax. But yeah it's Tennessee Does the pay difference cover the cost of your moving violations?
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Having lived a few years in Georgia I wouldn't try splitting too many places in the south except maybe Atlanta or Miami. Too many good ole' boy cops and rednecks packing heat. Not to mention people just not expecting you to be splitting and not checking mirrors.
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Yeah I live in Tennessee and am terrified of lane splitting. Of course, I was also terrified when I visited California and everyone was doing it
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It's like second nature to me now. It's almost defensive, like I use other cars as a shield against traffic, if that makes sense. And I'm always like, "aggressively" picking the most defensive lane positionJazzzzz posted:Having lived a few years in Georgia I wouldn't try splitting too many places in the south except maybe Atlanta or Miami. Too many good ole' boy cops and rednecks packing heat. Not to mention people just not expecting you to be splitting and not checking mirrors. There probably isn't anywhere near the amount of traffic to warrant splitting. But I can't imagine not filtering to the front of stoplights, like my brain struggles to comprehend it lol A MIRACLE fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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A MIRACLE posted:It's like second nature to me now. It's almost defensive, like I use other cars as a shield against traffic, if that makes sense. And I'm always like, "aggressively" picking the most defensive lane position Yes. Exactly this.
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