FAUXTON posted:

How often did your guys up and return daggers to the master of arms or the quartermaster or whoever?

Throatwarbler posted:

Historically wouldn't the ancient dyes have faded quickly with weather and travel, and everyone on campaign ends up wearing faded grey or brown? That was something said about even the Napoleonic era uniforms, they may have been intended to look bright red or green when they left the mill but mostly just looked grey or brown after some wear.

HEY GAL posted:

i look like poo poo, but at least i look like authentic poo poo lol

Rodrigo Diaz posted:

That's not because of the dye

HEY GAL posted:

the weapons are in perfect working order though, come try me and see

Rodrigo Diaz posted:

I'll just yell "I think your dagger is too long!" and gub you while you're inspecting it.

HEY GAL posted:

Stabbed In The Kneecaps By My Own Anxiety About Swords: Chuck Tingle Presents: The Hegel Story

Disinterested posted:

Because they fight wars constantly against people with all kinds of designs, and experience a great deal of trial and error?

aphid_licker posted:

It's kinda extremely uncool to think about how the however many percent of changes to armor design that weren't about "how cheap can we make this" were about "oh wow a lot of guys are getting their (body part) hosed up, can we do something about that".

FAT CURES MUSCLES posted:

Ulrich Von Hohensax wore only the best:

(At the Zürich museum)

Are there any cool military history museums around Munich?

Armyman25 posted:

They really liked emphasizing the D...

quote:

The morning of 28 May, the Enterprise disembarked her aviators and prepared to get under way. The flyers checked in at the Ford Island field; then those off duty spent a pleasant interlude around the pool. Meanwhile their Hornet counterparts smarted under their enforced isolation at Ewa. Moreover, their separation from the bars of Honolulu had not dampened their enthusiasm for drinking. In the officer's club the pilots of Torpedo Eight concocted a drink known as the "Barber's Point cocktail," and it was deadly. Shortly after sunrise on 28 May, VT-8's skipper, John Waldron, tenderly woke his charges (and likely the rest of the base) by firing a full magazine from his .45-caliber pistol out through the barracks door.

Armyman25 posted:

They really liked emphasizing the D...

FAT CURES MUSCLES posted:

Are there any cool military history museums around Munich?

HEY GAL posted:

so, as of the late 19th century at least one spaniard was not only still duelling with goddamn sail-hilted left-hand daggers, but he or she commissioned at least two of them with 21 inch long blades that might have been adapted from a model 1886 French Lebel bayonet.
http://www.cutandparry.com/Daggers.html
first entry on this page

whenever i see some weapons related thing that's really well made but also 100% mentally insane, it is usually spanish

Ainsley McTree posted:

He and Henry VIII would have been good friends

ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:

The Deutsches Museum has the original German U-boat in the basement. It's worth visiting for that alone.

Hazzard posted:

Is there any technological link to helmets? Like, could Rome have hypothetically invented the morion and then that be the standard helmet instead of the Gallic Helm?

Until an advanced understanding of physics comes in, I don't see how anyone would decide one helmet was better than another.

Ainsley McTree posted:

He and Henry VIII would have been good friends

Xiahou Dun posted:

As of when I was there in May it and most of the other cool poo poo was in storage.

This wasn't mentioned on the website and I was super disappointed.

Really not worth it right now. Highly disagree with recommending it.

They did have an honest to gently caress Enigma though and that was pretty cool.

(I never posted pics because it was lame and I'm the worst photographer ever.)

aphid_licker posted:

I appreciated the dye talk, I've wondered a couple times in GoT to what degree things being this brown was historical, or how we imagine the period, or an attempt to create a specific atmosphere for places for viewer orientation sake. I seem to recall that there are these fads in computer games where the graphics design swerves from technicolor and garish to "throw a brown filter over everything to make it gritty" and back.

ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:

That's... disappointing.

EvanSchenck posted:

Previously I've seen some analysis of Game of Thrones costuming and such, it's kind of interesting. For example, Stannis Baratheon wore this armor:


It's a mail shirt with plate components, but if you look closely you can see that the plate is incorporated directly into the mail. The edges of the plates have holes drilled so the rings loop right into them, as opposed to most kinds of plate which were separate pieces worn over a hauberk. Nobody else on the show wears anything like it, and it isn't really a recognizable historical European type. The costume department actually based it on armor worn by the Moro people of the Philippines:


Which is obviously a bad choice coming from the direction of full historical accuracy. On the other hand, it's still functional as armor and importantly for a TV show it's visually distinctive and interesting to look at. They also play around with some visual shorthand. e.g. for Jon Snow, his narrative arc for this season has also involved a wardrobe change. Previously he wore this kind of crude-looking breastplate and pauldrons, probably munitions-grade stuff from the Night's Watch armory, but with season 6 he started wearing the same sort of coat of plate as Eddard Stark wore in Season 1, and Robb Stark wore under his partial harness of plate. So he's back fighting for his family, wearing his family armor. I would definitely agree that the costume department picked the morion-type helmet deliberately to make the Bolton troops look like the hated Spaniards. There are reasons for all that stuff.

I find the whole thing with leather in medieval/fantasy visual arts kind of fascinating, because draping everybody in leather is now the standard way to show that you are a period film set in the middle ages or some facsimile thereof. You also consistently see a color palette for clothing and armor that ranges from black to dark brown. Whereas in actuality, I believe leather was used almost exclusive for footwear and accessories, and as you're fond of noting everybody dressed as colorfully as possible at all times. I honestly wonder where these conventions began? You can jump back to stuff like the 1938 Adventures of Robin Hood (the Errol Flynn one) and, okay, everybody is wearing leather (suede?) jerkins over their clothes, but most of their clothes are really loud colors--lively greens, reds, blues, etc. Look at these fancy lads:

I think the main reason for those costuming choices was to take advantage of filming in Technicolor, but intentionally or not they got closer to a medieval person's idea of a good wardrobe than any recent movie I can think of.

edit: talking specifically about color, there, not the cut and style of the clothes themselves

swamp waste posted:

Yeah I was gonna say I think that's in our culture not theirs.

Ainsley McTree posted:

I just hope Landskechts become the hot new thing. It'll just take one groundbreaking HBO show to get the ball rolling...

Chillyrabbit posted:

If they made a 1632 tv series and you'll get your wish. muahauhah

Armyman25 posted:

They really liked emphasizing the D...

HEY GAL posted:

Xiahou Dun posted:

As of when I was there in May it and most of the other cool poo poo was in storage.

This wasn't mentioned on the website and I was super disappointed.

Really not worth it right now. Highly disagree with recommending it.

They did have an honest to gently caress Enigma though and that was pretty cool.

(I never posted pics because it was lame and I'm the worst photographer ever.)

Bulgaroctonus posted:

This reminds me as a kid when the '89 Batman came out, wondering why he had a big rear end target on his chest, and it was brought up that that was where his only armor was, which made sense. This is like, at minimum, asking for severe cock and or ball trauma, even if that poo poo that passed for spandex then was some kind of space age liquid Kevlar sci-fi material (what was it, anyway? And did people actually fight like that? Was it just for dueling, and cock bustin' was un-gentlemanly?). Also, that Henry VIII armor is really fuckin baller (heh), I've heard he was actually pretty athletic in his youth, but am only really familiar with the famous portrait of him looking like J. Edgar Hoover on a day off.

Xiahou Dun posted:

As of when I was there in May it and most of the other cool poo poo was in storage.

This wasn't mentioned on the website and I was super disappointed.

Really not worth it right now. Highly disagree with recommending it.

They did have an honest to gently caress Enigma though and that was pretty cool.

(I never posted pics because it was lame and I'm the worst photographer ever.)

HEY GAL posted:

i do not remember which goon called these people irresponsibly rad but it's one of the best descriptions for 16th and 17th century people I've heard

reminder that this woman existed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_d%27Aubigny

edit: the 16th and 17th centuries sucked, but the people owned as hell

xthetenth posted:

Sounds like a me thing to say. Did you catch that bit I quoted a few posts back about a WWII carrier bomber pilot getting hammered and firing a whole magazine out the door, incidentally? Some things just don't change.