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Angry Salami posted:No, it just means 'cave-dweller'. They were also a people, though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troglodytae
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Tunicate posted:Didn't Columbus invent the 'predict an eclipse so people think you control the heavens' trick? Nah that was Thales of Miletus, about 2000 years before. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_of_Thales
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Much later in history there were various versions of "tell some people that x grants magic protection from musket fire, then demonstrate by firing muskets without the ball loaded at someone with x"
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Jul 31, 2021 09:02
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Bit of a tangent but I recall reading that belief in mystical protection against bullets is extraordinarily resilient given how easy it is to falsify.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Bit of a tangent but I recall reading that belief in mystical protection against bullets is extraordinarily resilient given how easy it is to falsify. Look, the mystical protections work against bullets, just not against bullets going that fast.
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Tulip posted:I don't know the term for the general phenomena but "bugger" is my favorite example of an entire ethnonym becoming a non-ethnic insult. yeah, cathars were believed to be from Bulgaria, and people thought they were into sodomy bc they were anti-natalist.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Bit of a tangent but I recall reading that belief in mystical protection against bullets is extraordinarily resilient given how easy it is to falsify. It was pretty significant in the Congo Wars, which given that was a war with tanks and bombers and MLRS and a lot of death, feels pretty incongruous.
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I always figured that the mystical protection from bullets stuff had help from survivorship bias.
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CommonShore posted:I always figured that the mystical protection from bullets stuff had help from survivorship bias. Well yeah, it would have to. “Guys I think this ghost dance thing is bullshit, I did it and got shot to death”
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Names accurate. They're now a ghost
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skasion posted:Well yeah, it would have to. You dabbed when you should have flossed, of course it didn't work.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Nah that was Thales of Miletus, about 2000 years before. I don't think he claimed to control the heavens tho, just predict them.
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CommonShore posted:I always figured that the mystical protection from bullets stuff had help from survivorship bias. I think we've all gotten to have a great personal experience with how much people can believe completely insane poo poo that is easy to prove wrong over the past few years.
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Grand Fromage posted:I think we've all gotten to have a great personal experience with how much people can believe completely insane poo poo that is easy to prove wrong over the past few years. you know i spent decades hearing that old chestnut about interesting times, i don't know that i really understood it until recently.
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Tulip posted:It was pretty significant in the Congo Wars, which given that was a war with tanks and bombers and MLRS and a lot of death, feels pretty incongruous. No, for a lot of the ethnic groups involved it was their first time fighting a modern war.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Bit of a tangent but I recall reading that belief in mystical protection against bullets is extraordinarily resilient given how easy it is to falsify. Belief in magical thought or items that will confer otherworldly advantage/disadvantage is incredibly incredibly prevalent in the modern world. For example, anybodies lucky items or whatever.
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Telsa Cola posted:Belief in magical thought or items that will confer otherworldly advantage/disadvantage is incredibly incredibly prevalent in the modern world. For example, anybodies lucky items or whatever. In markets, in that educated voters will vote “properly”, that repeating thoughts will make them happen and on and on. I don’t know that it’s modern. It’s just a thing humans do period. Edit: we make and believe and think in myths (and I’m not being perjorative of that word myth) Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jul 31, 2021 |
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Not to derail the topic at hand but this was a cool little article/commentary on history’s great nullified achievements and the interconnectedness of peoples and events of the 10-11th centuries. Much of it might be old news to thread regulars but it’s a great example of how history, typically taught in a staid and ridged manner, can come alive when a different lense or scale is applied.
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CoolCab posted:i'm from the UK and i don't think it's unfair to say our particular response to our modern pandemic has been pretty poor, with an official death rate of 1 in 933.45, if i understand these figures correctly. this had lead to record funerals, outpourings of public grief for certain celebs and the rates of sickness and death have been on and off again crippling our society and sending us into some pretty wild collective behaviours - our leader almost died of the disease. i think it's fair to say our society has been radically impacted by the virus. I mean,that's about the numbers the Black Death did in Europe. It certainly did a number on the continent but society did survive.
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I've heard estimates that all the diseases put together were 90% population loss between 1500 and 1700 or so
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PawParole posted:yeah, cathars were believed to be from Bulgaria, and people thought they were into sodomy bc they were anti-natalist. It referred to the Bogomils, a similar, earlier, sect to the Cathars, who did originate in the Bulgarian empire.
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Weka posted:It referred to the Bogomils, a similar, earlier, sect to the Cathars, who did originate in the Bulgarian empire. poo poo fam, you gave me something to dig on, in return I 'll recommend the crusade against the Cathars season of the history of the Crusades, a step up from the previous series with a real in depth history of the Players, one of the most underrated podcasts I've seen.
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The Norse meet the Beothuk or a closely related group. While the Beothuk no longer exist (British/French genocide) when Europeans showed up in Newfoundland in numbers, they basically moved to the interior of Newfoundland and waged war against all settlers. Some people believe this evidence that they had previous negative contact with Europeans.
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sbaldrick posted:The Norse meet the Beothuk or a closely related group. While the Beothuk no longer exist (British/French genocide) when Europeans showed up in Newfoundland in numbers, they basically moved to the interior of Newfoundland and waged war against all settlers. beothuk only emerge in 1500 (same as iroquois confederation funny enough), probably an ancestor to the beothuk or the thule. feedmegin posted:I mean,that's about the numbers the Black Death did in Europe. It certainly did a number on the continent but society did survive. we don't have a bunch of spanish people immune to the disease trying to colonize either tbh 
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Thwomp posted:Not to derail the topic at hand but this was a cool little article/commentary on history’s great nullified achievements and the interconnectedness of peoples and events of the 10-11th centuries. I hope that dude's better at research than he is at editing. 
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Telsa Cola posted:Belief in magical thought or items that will confer otherworldly advantage/disadvantage is incredibly incredibly prevalent in the modern world. For example, anybodies lucky items or whatever. One of our resident German scholars posted some German recipes for magical bulletproof talismans from like 1915.
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sullat posted:One of our resident German scholars posted some German recipes for magical bulletproof talismans from like 1915. A bulletproof talisman is quite possible, not even that difficult really.
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CoolCab posted:beothuk only emerge in 1500 (same as iroquois confederation funny enough), probably an ancestor to the beothuk or the thule. Seems to my uneducated arse more likely to have been the Innu than the Thule, the Innu (according to wikipedia) being settled in Labrador at the time.
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Gaius Marius posted:poo poo fam, you gave me something to dig on, in return I 'll recommend the crusade against the Cathars season of the history of the Crusades, a step up from the previous series with a real in depth history of the Players, one of the most underrated podcasts I've seen. But she calls all catapults catapult machines every time!! I'm kidding, it's really good and she does a great job in bringing the narrative out in interesting ways.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Bit of a tangent but I recall reading that belief in mystical protection against bullets is extraordinarily resilient given how easy it is to falsify. My favorite tale is Isatai'i, a comanche medicine man running with Quanah Parker, who made his warriors invincible to bullets a lot. After a disastrous battle, where Quanah was wounded and many men killed, he explained that a tribal taboo had been violated the night before, since someone had killed a skunk  cheetah7071 posted:I've heard estimates that all the diseases put together were 90% population loss between 1500 and 1700 or so Then try on this one: Malaria has killed 50% af all humans to ever have existed!
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Tias posted:My favorite tale is Isatai'i, a comanche medicine man running with Quanah Parker, who made his warriors invincible to bullets a lot. After a disastrous battle, where Quanah was wounded and many men killed, he explained that a tribal taboo had been violated the night before, since someone had killed a skunk
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Nessus posted:That figure seems high, doesn't it mostly just weaken you? So I can absolutely buy 50% of humans having had malaria at the time of death, but the direct cause would have been starvation, failure to adhere to the correct dictates of the local mod staff, acute updog, etc. I don't know, to be honest, but with 300+ million having died of it in the 20th century alone, I expect the mortality rate was even higher before then - it has existed since at least the late mesolithic Tias fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Aug 1, 2021 |
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Weka posted:Seems to my uneducated arse more likely to have been the Innu than the Thule, the Innu (according to wikipedia) being settled in Labrador at the time. oh yeah, could be innu too. i am much less familiar with their period territories.
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What did the polynesians take with them when they went to settle new islands? Trying to get a feel for how big and also complex a population you could muster if you landed in your canoe in say tahiti or the hawaiian islands e: I asked this because my bookmark takes me back to january of 2019, if this has been asked in the last page or so just ban me i get it
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Milo and POTUS posted:What did the polynesians take with them when they went to settle new islands? Trying to get a feel for how big and also complex a population you could muster if you landed in your canoe in say tahiti or the hawaiian islands roots, seeds and animals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_plants_and_animals_of_Austronesia
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I am in need of a Polynesian island-settling board game
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God drat what a find, how decadent is that for that period, let alone today. “Here look at this solid gold vase I have”.
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Tree Bucket posted:I am in need of a Polynesian island-settling board game Conquest of Paradise Bora Bora Tongiaki Tahiti Triskelli fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Aug 6, 2021 |
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