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Barreft posted:How did Trump appoint Dejoy and why can't Biden do the same? Trump didn't appoint DeJoy. The USPS Board of Governors unanimously appointed him. That same Board of Governors would need to get rid of him. This is not Biden's call. A lot of the concern about DeJoy was with regard to him jamming up the process for mail-in voting during the 2020 elections. He was clearly unable to pull that off, so this is really a nothingburger except for people kramering in to angrypost at their posting enemies. Fancy Pelosi fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Oct 24, 2021 |
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Fancy Pelosi posted:Trump didn't appoint DeJoy. The USPS Board of Governors unanimously appointed him. That same Board of Governors would need to get rid of him. This is not Biden's call. And the board is both Dems and Republicans. Seems pretty bipartisan since they're still keeping him there.
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Barreft posted:Nah, that's false. Research more. At least one of the Dems on the postal board is invested in Dejoys companies as well. the postal service board of governors is made up of four republicans, four democrats, and one independent, but two of the democrats were trump appointees and have the views you'd expect, and biden can't unilaterally remove them, and he can't fire dejoy directly either because of various legality. so his hope is hoping people retire or brow beatings so he can stack the deck somewhat. Fancy Pelosi posted:Trump didn't appoint DeJoy. The USPS Board of Governors unanimously appointed him. That same Board of Governors would need to get rid of him. This is not Biden's call. he is also lovely for the postal service in general because he is one of those "starve the beast assholes" and he has made the mail slower, though part of that is also covid and poo poo. removing him is a good thing, its just idk if it will happen. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Oct 24, 2021 |
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Okay, thanks for gaslighting me that everything is fine. My cousin who works at the post office just doesn't know as much as Fancy Pelosi and Det. E: thanks Dap, at least you contributed.
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Barreft posted:Okay, thanks for gaslighting me that everything is fine. My cousin who works at the post office just doesn't know as much as Fancy Pelosi and Det. i am not saying its good thing that he can't fired obviously. i am just saying he probably can't be by executive branch. but yeah, dejoy a loving ghould and id love to see his rear end gone. i think one of the board members is retiring soon so we will see
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i am not saying its good thing that he can't fired obviously. i am just saying he probably can't be by executive branch. but yeah, dejoy a loving ghould and id love to see his rear end gone. i think one of the board members is retiring soon so we will see I know, your reply just had actual content instead of the boomer Det just making GBS threads on me. That's why I said thanks. Anyway back to bed like I scheduled before grandpa said that poo poo.
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zenguitarman posted:night crew gettin weird Forget it, its Weekend Posting.
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https://twitter.com/fasterthanlime/status/1452053938195341314?s=20 So…google and facebook have just been caught breaking just about every antitrust law in the US. full document here: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.564903/gov.uscourts.nysd.564903.152.0_1.pdf If the Dems do not take down google and break it up, then the country is basically over and that article about giving Tech Companies a seat at the UN should just be swapped with Tech Companies should own the house, Senate, Presidency, and courts. This is the baby bells all over again and it would be pathetic to not do the same here. virtualboyCOLOR fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Oct 24, 2021 |
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:https://twitter.com/fasterthanlime/status/1452053938195341314?s=20 I hope they do, but lets be honest: Facebook and Google are big enough to fight this. I really hope they flex on these two especially.
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I would say that this instance is the perfect case to test if America is a country of laws or not. I argue laws only matter for decorum purposes which is why i don’t think it’s absurd or “bad” for Biden to have the DOJ go after Manchin and Sinema. Nothing would stand in Biden’s way to do this other than decorum poisoned media and a few folks in the DOJ Biden could fire. I am NOT trying to rehash this argument, just using it as an example on why I feel laws don’t matter and how I would personally like Biden to take advantage of it. However, I am willing to concede that we are a country of laws if Google actually goes down and is broken completely apart. Facebook should also go down for their part too. I am a pessimist however and just assume the DOJ will do almost nothing and the Dems will do gently caress all except some TV shouting to cut ads.
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The last major antitrust case brought against a tech company that I can recall was when the feds sued Microsoft in the 1990s, and lost. And I still don't understand why the government has allowed the health insurance/pharmacies/PBM mergers to go buck wild over the last decade, either.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:I would say that this instance is the perfect case to test if America is a country of laws or not. You probably shouldn't be using this as your litmus test without first waiting for the lawyers to weigh in on the suit. In particular you should wait for LegalEagle to weigh on, he'll probably have a extremely easy to absorb 20 or so minute long video describing the suit and what it means and will speculate on its merits based on existing laws.
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dumb ausgoon question that I'm bringing up only because thread is talking postal services. USPS hasnt been shipping to Australia or New Zealand (or a bunch of other countries for that matter), apparently because of the covid outbreaks here. we're approaching an acceptable level of vaccination and states are almost out of lockdown. does anyone know when this block is likely to lift, or when normal things can resume? or is USPS hosed at the moment to a point that itll take more than another six months?
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:I am a pessimist however and just assume the DOJ will do almost nothing and the Dems will do gently caress all except some TV shouting to cut ads. The DOJ is already suing Google over monopolization of of web search, and is apparently preparing a lawsuit over ad tech as well: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-01/u-s-doj-readying-google-antitrust-lawsuit-over-ad-tech-business There's a handy cheat sheet to all the current antitrust lawsuits against tech companies here (there are a lot of them, including both federal and state cases against Google and Facebook): https://qz.com/2066217/a-cheat-sheet-to-all-the-antitrust-cases-against-big-tech-in-2021/ That said, I'd be interested in an analysis from antitrust expert(s) about this, because, as Willa alluded to earlier, this isn't the first time tech companies have been sued over antitrust violations, and past efforts haven't been 100% successful. Sir John Falstaff fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Oct 24, 2021 |
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Sir John Falstaff posted:The DOJ is already suing Google over monopolization of of web search, and is apparently preparing a lawsuit over ad tech as well: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-01/u-s-doj-readying-google-antitrust-lawsuit-over-ad-tech-business "monopolizing the world's supply of gifs" They are monopolizing memes
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Barreft posted:And the board is both Dems and Republicans. Seems pretty bipartisan since they're still keeping him there. It's a little more complex than either "Biden should remove dejoy" or "Biden has no power here". The board is required to be almost-evenly split -nine directly appointed members plus postmaster general and deputy postmaster general, no more than five direct appointees of the same party, the nine can elect or remove the postmasters general with what amounts to near-impunity. Currently the nine consist of four republicans, four democrats, and an "independent" who is functionally a democrat. You'd think this would allow for DeJoy's immediate removal, but while I'm not entirely up on the intrigue involved, 1) two of the Democrats are Trump appointees so he may have accidentally done something clever, and 2) removing any of the nine governors before their term is up is tricky. one of those democrats is currently wrapping up a holdover extension of his term and was unanimously elected head of the board in february; i don't really know what's up with that and can't be assed to figure it out at this hour
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Raenir Salazar posted:You probably shouldn't be using this as your litmus test without first waiting for the lawyers to weigh in on the suit. In particular you should wait for LegalEagle to weigh on, he'll probably have a extremely easy to absorb 20 or so minute long video describing the suit and what it means and will speculate on its merits based on existing laws. you know theyre being sued by 17 states, right i somehow doubt thats frivolous   lmao, extremely not evil company A big flaming stink fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Oct 24, 2021 |
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Barreft posted:Okay, thanks for gaslighting me that everything is fine. My cousin who works at the post office just doesn't know as much as Fancy Pelosi and Det. What is your cousin saying? I work at a regional processing and distribution center and there's been lots of hiring and we're running the mail the same as we were before. All the people worried about losing their overtime are still getting it, also.
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Fancy Pelosi posted:A lot of the concern about DeJoy was with regard to him jamming up the process for mail-in voting during the 2020 elections. He was clearly unable to pull that off, so this is really a nothingburger except for people kramering in to angrypost at their posting enemies. My concern is that ever since this DeJoy asshat's been in charge, the rent check I send through my bank has tended to be a week to three weeks late; to the point where every goddamn month I have to send the leasing office a proof of payment so they don't charge me a late fee. Lived here 12 years, didn't start until this guy started slowing down the mail on purpose.
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Sekhmnet posted:My concern is that ever since this DeJoy asshat's been in charge, the rent check I send through my bank has tended to be a week to three weeks late; to the point where every goddamn month I have to send the leasing office a proof of payment so they don't charge me a late fee. Lived here 12 years, didn't start until this guy started slowing down the mail on purpose. If this is normal domestic mail, a delay like that is extremely unusual. Even if your envelopes were causing jams they would still be sent to the local station and sorted into the carrier route manually. It may be being detected as forwarded mail and your local processing center is really far behind on doing forwards/return to sender mail (which does often happen because it's lower priority than the normal mail). Jizz Festival fucked around with this message at 10:54 on Oct 24, 2021 |
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Turns out killing unemployment doesn't drive people to work https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/states-that-cutoff-of-jobless-aid-see-no-surge-of-job-seekers This is my shocked face:  OctaMurk posted:Its very odd that dental vision and hearing are somehow distinct from regular medical care, as if our head isnt attached to the rest of our body. WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:"monopolizing the world's supply of gifs" We cannot allow a meme gap
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So some folks have realized that the Supreme Court has no way on their own of enforcing their verdicts, unfortunately, it's not the President: https://twitter.com/dataandpolitics/status/1451968654757691393 If Texas is willing to pass laws on this like the 6-week abortion ban and other states start following suit, how is the system able to handle this?
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Bellmaker posted:So some folks have realized that the Supreme Court has no way on their own of enforcing their verdicts, unfortunately, it's not the President: If the stacked Supreme Court rules in favor of the states being able to defy federal law on one issue, it would open the door to the states being able to defy any federal law. The outcome of that would lead in the direction of instead of being one country with one set of laws, there would be 50 countries with independent laws, which in turn would lead towards Balkanization and a formal breakup. I could imagine large corporations shifting operations out of states where the corporate culture disagrees with the state laws, and the resulting economic upheaval would add to a growing amount of civil unrest. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Oct 24, 2021 |
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What a goof it will be if our system collapses before the predicted climate/resource/population pinch. Will that then be the time for seizing power? Led by Bernie and Greta Thunberg (with commanders Tom Morello, Immortal Technique, and Vinnie Paz, who should pull heavily from the angry internet fringe). Actually the intersection of the themes of "radical" socialism with anti authority conspiracy thinking is fascinating, and could warrant its own study and an avenue to groom potential allies. I routinely hear Trump supporters listening to those three musicians, which seems some profoundly hilarious cognitive dissonance. They think the "they" of said music is JUST the democrats, and love that one Malcom X quote. They can be corrected!
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Bellmaker posted:So some folks have realized that the Supreme Court has no way on their own of enforcing their verdicts, unfortunately, it's not the President: If this is allowed forward, it is more evidence that laws in the US are purely decorum theater.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:If this is allowed forward, it is more evidence that laws in the US are purely decorum theater. Anyone who still needs proof is willfully ignorant.
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Bellmaker posted:So some folks have realized that the Supreme Court has no way on their own of enforcing their verdicts, unfortunately, it's not the President: This twitter rando doesn’t know what letterhead is, but this isn’t the House of Representatives declaring anything, this is a retiring rep about to get btfoed in a primary for land commissioner trying to get his name in the newspapers.
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zoux posted:This twitter rando doesn’t know what letterhead is, but this isn’t the House of Representatives declaring anything, this is a retiring rep about to get btfoed in a primary for land commissioner trying to get his name in the newspapers. You're telling me that a single state representative writing a letter won't lead to the balkanization of the United States? That's a hot take, friend.
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Bellmaker posted:So some folks have realized that the Supreme Court has no way on their own of enforcing their verdicts, unfortunately, it's not the President: Perfect, now California just needs to make paying Federal taxes illegal so we can use that money for healthcare and childcare. 50 individual states in a union.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:If this is allowed forward, it is more evidence that laws in the US are purely decorum theater. Not true, laws are also a useful weapon for killing and disposessing minorities and the poor.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Accidentally posted this in the covid thread Hey, everyone getting pissed off at this tweet might want to actually read the article. quote:While high-level talks on the $1 trillion-plus package are ongoing, lawmakers, staffers, advocates and lobbyists said that a plan to expand Medicare with dental, vision and hearing benefits for tens of millions of seniors — as well as a pitch to guarantee paid family and medical leave to all U.S. workers — is now in danger of getting cut from the bill entirely. quote:The White House and Senate leadership aides, meanwhile, denied that the provisions were on their way out. "This is untrue, on both counts,” said Andrew Bates, a White House spokesperson. quote:Sanders insisted to POLITICO on Saturday that the benefits are “not coming out.” quote:“We obviously want vision, dental and hearing to be covered,” Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) told reporters Friday. “My biggest worry is that we’ve had our set of five priorities and we’ve always said we will support a package that has these five priorities. Once you start taking away some of the priorities, then things get a little dicey.” So on the one hand, there's two legislators and a White House spokesman going on the record to say those programs will not be cut. On the other hand, there's a few anonymous staffers and lobbyists saying they may or may not be cut. And here in USNews, we have 100% of respondents performatively rending their clothing and wailing as they lament the forever death of these programs.
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Main Paineframe posted:So on the one hand, there's two legislators and a White House spokesman going on the record to say those programs will not be cut. On the other hand, there's a few anonymous staffers and lobbyists saying they may or may not be cut. And here in USNews, we have 100% of respondents performatively rending their clothing and wailing as they lament the forever death of these programs. n=1, although I'll admit that "rending their clothing & wailing" is a nice rhetorical flourish. And it doesn't take a psychic to recognize what Dems' intentions have been all along for this bill, bc leadership like Pelosi have made it clear that subsidizing health insurers, subsidizing pharma companies & subsidizing tax cuts for richies are the priorities here.
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I'd add that those of us who correctly predicted months ago how the rec bill would shake out aren't the ones who are disappointed/angry/upset with how the rec bill is turning out. Pattern recognition is psychologically useful, as it turns out, in addition to being politically useful.
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Willa Rogers posted:n=1, although I'll admit that "rending their clothing & wailing" is a nice rhetorical flourish. At first I thought you were just making stuff up, because there seems to be a massive push to tax the rich in this bill - with Siema being the holdout who just doesn't want to raise the taxes but hasn't mentioned cutting them AFAIK. But by "subsidizing tax cuts for richies" do you just mean restore the SALT deductions?
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Darkrenown posted:At first I thought you were just making stuff up, because there seems to be a massive push to tax the rich in this bill - with Siema being the holdout who just doesn't want to raise the taxes but hasn't mentioned cutting them AFAIK. But by "subsidizing tax cuts for richies" do you just mean restore the SALT deductions? Yes, I mean "just" restoring the SALT deductions, which tilt way in favor of wealthy people, and which Pelosi has said all along the final bill must include. I'll dig up some prior posts I made on this, with sourcing, if you'd like.  eta: I think this piece sums it up: quote:Who would benefit from removing the cap on the SALT deduction? The rich – especially the very rich. Almost all (96 percent) of the benefits of SALT cap repeal would go to the top quintile (giving an average tax cut of $2,640); 57 percent would benefit the top one percent (a cut of $33,100); and 25 percent would benefit the top 0.1 percent (for an average tax cut of nearly $145,000). The remaining four percent of the benefit of removing the cap would go the middle class (i.e. middle 60 percent), for an average annual tax cut of a little less than $27. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Oct 24, 2021 |
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