Joementum posted:

https://twitter.com/crushingbort/status/914151975599710209

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Garrett struck Dean numerous times in the back of the head with a ball-peen hammer he found on the floor. After hitting Dean, Garrett left the room to carry motorcycle parts out of the apartment. Tucker remained in the bedroom. The blows Garrett had dealt Dean caused him to begin making a "gurgling" sound. Tucker wanted to "stop him from making that noise" and she then picked up a three foot pickax laying against the wall and began hitting Dean. Garrett then re-entered the room and dealt Dean a final blow in the chest.

Garrett left the bedroom again to continue loading Dean's motorcycle parts into his Ford Ranchero. Tucker was once again left in the room and only then noticed a woman who had hidden under the bed covers against the wall. The woman, Deborah Ruth Thornton had argued with her husband the day before, went to a party and ended up spending the night in Dean's bed. Upon discovering Thornton, Tucker grazed her shoulder with the pickaxe. Thornton and Tucker began to struggle, but Garrett returned and separated them. Tucker proceeded to hit Thornton repeatedly with the pickaxe and then embedded the axe in her heart. Tucker would later tell people and testify that she experienced intense multiple orgasms with each blow of the pickaxe.

SKULL.GIF posted:

when I advocate the death of rich people for the unimaginable harm they inflict on other people it's very difficult to pretend to care about the life of a murderer who derived sexual pleasure from inflicting unimaginable harm on other people, and reading further about this case, that people were demanding special treatment for being a woman and a religious convert is unconscionable

w should be put on trial and executed for the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of iraqis, among dozens of other war and financial crimes and general gross negligence, and focusing on the one specific instance where he ordered the execution of a woman who broke into someone's home and murdered both people there seems beyond trivial

mrbradlymrmartin posted:

youre a revenge fetishist hth

SKULL.GIF posted:

when I advocate the death of rich people for the unimaginable harm they inflict on other people it's very difficult to pretend to care about the life of a murderer who derived sexual pleasure from inflicting unimaginable harm on other people, and reading further about this case, that people were demanding special treatment for being a woman and a religious convert is unconscionable

w should be put on trial and executed for the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of iraqis, among dozens of other war and financial crimes and general gross negligence, and focusing on the one specific instance where he ordered the execution of a woman who broke into someone's home and murdered both people there seems beyond trivial

Oh Snapple! posted:

Yeah W did enough legit awful poo poo that trying to hit him over that specific execution is just kind of lol

Taintrunner posted:

no, the bush administration should get the firing line

Sapozhnik posted:

It would be nice if the line we were taught in school was actually true, where we went to war with the Nazis because they were capital-E Evil and we won the war against the Nazis because we were better people than them, but the truth was that we went to war with the Nazis because they picked a fight with us and we won the war against the Nazis because we had more guns than they did and we were better at using them effectively. The fact that some nasty people were defeated by some less-nasty people was a happy accident. So hey, look at that, it's 2017 and we're cool with Nazis all of a sudden because these ones aren't waging a military campaign against us like the last ones were. Who could possibly have seen that one coming.

Maybe instead of getting our rocks off on slaying people who get their rocks off on slaying people we actually stop delighting in other peoples' pain and suffering. I think this goes hand in hand with building a society that isn't "intensely relaxed" about the fact that a small number of people profit from a great many peoples' pain and suffering.

The rich and the powerful have ruined countless lives. By all means confiscate every penny of their ill-gotten gains and allocate it to the task of repairing some of the damage. As for the rich and powerful themselves, idk, treat them humanely but make them spend the rest of their working lives sweeping streets and cleaning toilets and things like that. It puts them in the shoes of the kind of worker they utterly despise, and it makes them perform constructive labor for society for once in their lives. Let them live to see their legacy and world view completely and utterly run into the dirt, then grow old and die knowing that history will forever hold them up as the evil pieces of poo poo that they are.

Sapozhnik posted:

It would be nice if the line we were taught in school was actually true, where we went to war with the Nazis because they were capital-E Evil and we won the war against the Nazis because we were better people than them, but the truth was that we went to war with the Nazis because they picked a fight with us and we won the war against the Nazis because we had more guns than they did and we were better at using them effectively. The fact that some nasty people were defeated by some less-nasty people was a happy accident. So hey, look at that, it's 2017 and we're cool with Nazis all of a sudden because these ones aren't waging a military campaign against us like the last ones were. Who could possibly have seen that one coming.

Maybe instead of getting our rocks off on slaying people who get their rocks off on slaying people we actually stop delighting in other peoples' pain and suffering. I think this goes hand in hand with building a society that isn't "intensely relaxed" about the fact that a small number of people profit from a great many peoples' pain and suffering.

The rich and the powerful have ruined countless lives. By all means confiscate every penny of their ill-gotten gains and allocate it to the task of repairing some of the damage. As for the rich and powerful themselves, idk, treat them humanely but make them spend the rest of their working lives sweeping streets and cleaning toilets and things like that. It puts them in the shoes of the kind of worker they utterly despise, and it makes them perform constructive labor for society for once in their lives. Let them live to see their legacy and world view completely and utterly run into the dirt, then grow old and die knowing that history will forever hold them up as the evil pieces of poo poo that they are.

mrbradlymrmartin posted:

youre a revenge fetishist hth

Sapozhnik posted:

The rich and the powerful have ruined countless lives. By all means confiscate every penny of their ill-gotten gains and allocate it to the task of repairing some of the damage. As for the rich and powerful themselves, idk, treat them humanely but make them spend the rest of their working lives sweeping streets and cleaning toilets and things like that. It puts them in the shoes of the kind of worker they utterly despise, and it makes them perform constructive labor for society for once in their lives. Let them live to see their legacy and world view completely and utterly run into the dirt, then grow old and die knowing that history will forever hold them up as the evil pieces of poo poo that they are.

Nonsense posted:

https://twitter.com/Oprah/status/913551310628184064

SKULL.GIF posted:

if I was actually a revenge fetishist then I'd take pleasure in watching murderers rot for decades slowly losing their sanity as they sit through thousands and thousands of days in a dull prison cell, subject to the malicious whims of their jailors . . .
breivik is stuck in a tiny norwegian prison cell and I'm not calling for his execution since he's been effectively removed permanently from society and cut off from radicalizing other people

SKULL.GIF posted:

I'd be happy to go this route if they don't fight back but I'm not holding any expectations that the rich wouldn't fight back as viciously as possibly against any sort of class revolution or mass wealth redistribution, up to and including ordering their mercenaries and police forces to murder people to help preserve their wealth

the rich are also very well connected and are going to be incredibly bitter about being reduced to menial labor in your presented situation, and aren't going to just accept it quietly, they would try to pull strings and connections to tilt the table back in their favor

it's a nice ideal to work towards, to be sure

mrbradlymrmartin posted:

Sapozhnik posted:

Line ditches with the corpses of the powerful and the rich, sure. but then you're back to the WW2 moral standpoint: you won because your side managed to bring more firepower to bear upon the other side at the moment when it counted. Tomorrow, their side will do the same to you and you'll be the one feeling the force of the reactionaries' hatred brought to bear.

No, they wouldn't give up their wealth and influence without bloodshed, that much we can be sure of. But if you want lasting change you have to turn society to your side and keep them there. You're not going to achieve any lasting change through a revolutionary vanguard, you'll just behead today's Marie Antoinette and then hold her head up crying that justice has been served. As if more psychopaths aren't being born today, who can lie convincingly and betray without the burden of conscience. What is your plan for dealing with them?

Purely non-violent action doesn't work either, of course. The most effective strategy so far has been to convince them that the status quo is untenable, then force them to choose between a peaceful movement and a violent one. Then use the peaceful one to chip away at their influence slowly and try to defend and consolidate those gains. No, it's not easy. But it is effective.

Sapozhnik posted:

What is your plan for dealing with them?

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

whatever happened to good old fashioned gulags, huh?

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

whatever happened to good old fashioned gulags, huh?

Sapozhnik posted:

It would be nice if the line we were taught in school was actually true, where we went to war with the Nazis because they were capital-E Evil and we won the war against the Nazis because we were better people than them, but the truth was that we went to war with the Nazis because they picked a fight with us and we won the war against the Nazis because we had more guns than they did and we were better at using them effectively. The fact that some nasty people were defeated by some less-nasty people was a happy accident. So hey, look at that, it's 2017 and we're cool with Nazis all of a sudden because these ones aren't waging a military campaign against us like the last ones were. Who could possibly have seen that one coming.

Maybe instead of getting our rocks off on slaying people who get their rocks off on slaying people we actually stop delighting in other peoples' pain and suffering. I think this goes hand in hand with building a society that isn't "intensely relaxed" about the fact that a small number of people profit from a great many peoples' pain and suffering.

The rich and the powerful have ruined countless lives. By all means confiscate every penny of their ill-gotten gains and allocate it to the task of repairing some of the damage. As for the rich and powerful themselves, idk, treat them humanely but make them spend the rest of their working lives sweeping streets and cleaning toilets and things like that. It puts them in the shoes of the kind of worker they utterly despise, and it makes them perform constructive labor for society for once in their lives. Let them live to see their legacy and world view completely and utterly run into the dirt, then grow old and die knowing that history will forever hold them up as the evil pieces of poo poo that they are.

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

so uhhh these seems winnable? wonder how hard the dems will compete

https://twitter.com/decisiondeskhq/status/913818583225921536

jBrereton posted:

hosed up that this isn't a brutally ratio'd tweet.

Main Paineframe posted:

political junkie. #Hillary2016 I hate Drumpf and Bernie Sanders equally. Probably Bernie more. Proud Neo-liberal and Corporatist! BS sucks!

Concerned Citizen posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/KObradovich/status/914202565050372097

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But they must also, somehow, keep their expectations in check, because the long game is the White House, and it won’t be served by the acrimony and sense of futility that disappointment in 2018 could bring.

Howard Wolfson, who was one of the chief strategists for Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign, summed up the situation well.

He said that the House majority must be Democrats’ nonnegotiable goal, because it matters so much and is indisputably attainable. But if they don’t succeed, he added, “There will be a circular firing squad.” And it will be an especially furious one.

Progressives will point to moderates who lost their contests as definitive proof that the party should move left. Moderates will point to progressives who didn’t prevail and insist the opposite. And the infighting could be another lucky break for Trump, whose life story is already a fable of outrageous fortune.

quote:

“Those who look to the past to predict the current political moment do so at their folly,” said Representative Joe Kennedy III, one of the regional vice chairmen of the D.C.C.C. So while he told me that he’s enormously heartened by the quality of Democratic candidates being groomed for House races, he’s not placing wagers.

That’s wise, considering: Democrats must recover from a breathtaking decline, during the Obama years, of the party’s representation at every level of government below the presidency. The party holds only 15 of 50 governor’s offices. While Republicans control both the governorship and the legislature in 26 states, Democrats have that monopoly in just six.

Sapozhnik posted:

When your revolution happened the ordinary worker mostly just wanted to be left alone and not get shot in the crossfire. He's not going to be vigilant against reactionary forces, especially when keeping your head down and not making a fuss is a good way to avoid crossing paths with bullets. At best he's going to be glad to have bread on the table, but he's not going to adore your party and become an ideological zealot. He'll probably actually hold your ideological zealotry in contempt!

A few decades later and your movement gets corrupted from within, because nobody actually gave a poo poo about the ideals in the first place. Psychopaths are born every day and they are always drawn towards the accumulation and exercise of power. Some societies make this easier, some make it harder. All have psychopaths chewing away at their foundations like worms from within. What is your plan for dealing with them?

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

this is a great distillation of the liberal mentality in 2017