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Justin_Brett
Oct 23, 2012

GAMERDOME put down LOSER
What Meis are you fighting that even let you attempt to turn and shoot them once they're in range?

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FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

IronicDongz posted:

if you're zarya you can pop self-shield right before you get frozen and make meis unhappy

I've made a Mei quit in frustration after i started keeping an eye on our reinhardt and bubbling him at the last moment whenever she tried getting past his shield to freeze him. I bubble the rein, yell about the Mei, Mei either gets focused down or turns into an icecube while the team repositions for the kill.

I don't end up queued with good players though so a decent Mei probably has a way to deal with that.

Snazzy Frocks
Mar 31, 2003

Scratchmo
mei can't heal when hit with ana's purple stuff, if you didn't know

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Snazzy Frocks posted:

mei can't heal when hit with ana's purple stuff, if you didn't know

Piss works both ways, check.

Ehud
Sep 19, 2003

football.

Bleck posted:

Remember how they put a short cooldown on crouching so you couldn't spam it repeatedly to avoid unreasonable amounts of damage?

They should do that, but with jumping.

This would ruin wall riding.

Mukaikubo
Mar 14, 2006

"You treat her like a lady... and she'll always bring you home."

Ehud posted:

This would ruin wall riding.

good

nerf lucio into the loving ground and then maybe my team won't demand I play him every goddamn game instead of one of the heroes I have a 60+% comp winrate with

Magitek
Feb 20, 2008

That's not jolly.
That's not jolly at all!

Snazzy Frocks posted:

with mei and sym you just have to walk straight backwards away from them and hope you can hit all your shots before they kill you. you wont win the dance fight.

A smart Mei will start right-clicking if you make yourself an easy target. Those icicle headshots really hurt.

a dingus
Mar 22, 2008

Rhetorical questions only
Fun Shoe
Lucio is the great the way he is. If you really play into his mobility he can take heroes you wouldn't expect and none of the xxxsnyperofdethxxxx bad offense types will ever touch him because he's support.

Slime
Jan 3, 2007

Mukaikubo posted:

good

nerf lucio into the loving ground and then maybe my team won't demand I play him every goddamn game instead of one of the heroes I have a 60+% comp winrate with

They could completely remove his healing and he'd still be used for speed boost alone.

Mukaikubo
Mar 14, 2006

"You treat her like a lady... and she'll always bring you home."

Slime posted:

They could completely remove his healing and he'd still be used for speed boost alone.

:suicide:

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



Justin_Brett posted:

What Meis are you fighting that even let you attempt to turn and shoot them once they're in range?

it takes long enough to actually freeze someone that if you can't turn to deal with it, it's your fault

even using a controller, it's not that hard

Bolivar
Aug 20, 2011

Do you get the Oops spray for every hero if you get 50 things for one hero? (Reaper apparently in my case)

Montalvo
Sep 3, 2007



Fun Shoe
Are there any good videos with general strategies and tips for playing Pharah? I figure I ought to learn to play at least one DPS character half decently and I like the idea of zipping around the map and popping rockets at people.

Ehud
Sep 19, 2003

football.

Mukaikubo posted:

good

nerf lucio into the loving ground and then maybe my team won't demand I play him every goddamn game instead of one of the heroes I have a 60+% comp winrate with

Lucio is fun and interesting and the only character I'm good with please don't take his away from me.

Dietrich
Sep 11, 2001

Bolivar posted:

Do you get the Oops spray for every hero if you get 50 things for one hero? (Reaper apparently in my case)

Yes. It's a all characters spray unlocked by the achievement.

Dietrich
Sep 11, 2001

Montalvo posted:

Are there any good videos with general strategies and tips for playing Pharah? I figure I ought to learn to play at least one DPS character half decently and I like the idea of zipping around the map and popping rockets at people.

1. Be good at leading with rockets.
2. Spam rockets at chokes.
3. Don't not be good at leading with rockets.
4. The concussion rocket is for maneuvering (shoot a nearby wall to move quickly in the other direction) or booping people to knock them off the map or mess up their ult or prevent an instant kill (road hog), save it for those times, don't use it to knock a target around for no good reason.
5. Don't hang out in the air for no good reason. Good reasons include - teamfight going on below you, team is pushing through the choke and you're flanking, you've located a turret and are poping up to kill it, ect.

a dingus
Mar 22, 2008

Rhetorical questions only
Fun Shoe
Most people don't bother looking up so float around (always be moving) with your jetpack and save left shift for either getting into position quickly or getting out of a fight. If you've gotta stand in one spot make sure it's on a roof or something.

Slime
Jan 3, 2007

Dietrich posted:

1. Be good at leading with rockets.
2. Spam rockets at chokes.
3. Don't not be good at leading with rockets.
4. The concussion rocket is for maneuvering (shoot a nearby wall to move quickly in the other direction) or booping people to knock them off the map or mess up their ult or prevent an instant kill (road hog), save it for those times, don't use it to knock a target around for no good reason.
5. Don't hang out in the air for no good reason. Good reasons include - teamfight going on below you, team is pushing through the choke and you're flanking, you've located a turret and are poping up to kill it, ect.

If you're real good with it you can use it to knock Rein out of position so he's not properly protecting his squishy teammates anymore, or to knock their squishies out into the open where you/your team can snatch them up.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Slime posted:

If you're real good with it you can use it to knock Rein out of position so he's not properly protecting his squishy teammates anymore, or to knock their squishies out into the open where you/your team can snatch them up.

I love doing this as Junkrat. You can mess up basically anything Reinhardt tries to do by just bouncing him in the air. It's especially satisfying bouncing them when they come barreling in with a charge

Also with regards to Phara, knocking Reinhardt's into the well will never gets old for as long as the game exists.

Justin_Brett
Oct 23, 2012

GAMERDOME put down LOSER

Manatee Cannon posted:

it takes long enough to actually freeze someone that if you can't turn to deal with it, it's your fault

even using a controller, it's not that hard

It takes two seconds. Factoring in that the slow-down affects your turning speed the avoidable bit for most heroes is just not letting her get close at all.

Slowpoke!
Feb 12, 2008

ANIME IS FOR ADULTS

Dietrich posted:

1. Be good at leading with rockets.
2. Spam rockets at chokes.
3. Don't not be good at leading with rockets.
4. The concussion rocket is for maneuvering (shoot a nearby wall to move quickly in the other direction) or booping people to knock them off the map or mess up their ult or prevent an instant kill (road hog), save it for those times, don't use it to knock a target around for no good reason.
5. Don't hang out in the air for no good reason. Good reasons include - teamfight going on below you, team is pushing through the choke and you're flanking, you've located a turret and are poping up to kill it, ect.

Also know when to switch to Pharah and when to switch off. Most teams will run a Soldier76 these days to deal with Pharah, but unless that player is good or the Pharah is bad, a single Soldier76 can't deal with a Pharah by himself. If you have a team that refuses to help their Soldier shoot you, then you will be fine. If their Ana is also taking shots at you and their Zen is discording you, then it may be time to switch.

a dingus
Mar 22, 2008

Rhetorical questions only
Fun Shoe

Slime posted:

If you're real good with it you can use it to knock Rein out of position so he's not properly protecting his squishy teammates anymore, or to knock their squishies out into the open where you/your team can snatch them up.

The best way to do this is boost up and hit your knock-back behind him to scatter the group and then start hitting rein from behind

junan_paalla
Dec 29, 2009

Seriously, do drugs
Use your mobility to get to highground so you have some cover and aren't a sitting duck in the middle of the sky, and bob&weave behind tall obstacles with the jetpack to spam the enemy team without being exposed to their hitscans

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
Symmetra, Reaper, Junkrat and kinda Mei don't really have a way to escape you or fight you favorably, punish them for that

maou shoujo
Apr 12, 2014

ニンゲンの表裏一体
You can fly with either spacebar or M2. If you tap fly with a good rhythm, you can fly almost indefinitely. As already mentioned, this doesn't mean hanging out in middle of the sky forever being an easy hitscan target. It's a specialized set of knowledge learning where the 3D cover is and where invisible walls exist or do not, but it pays off.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

maou shoujo posted:

You can fly with either spacebar or M2. If you tap fly with a good rhythm, you can fly almost indefinitely. As already mentioned, this doesn't mean hanging out in middle of the sky forever being an easy hitscan target. It's a specialized set of knowledge learning where the 3D cover is and where invisible walls exist or do not, but it pays off.
Rebind conc rocket to M2 immediately.

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh

Bleck posted:

Remember how they put a short cooldown on crouching so you couldn't spam it repeatedly to avoid unreasonable amounts of damage?

They should do that, but with jumping.
reading this thread makes me glad to know that blizz won't accept goon balance ideas

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.
That wasn't intended to be a balance change - I just think it's annoying and silly looking.

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

The whole time I thought people were trying to taunt me with crouch spamming but really they were abusing an exploit. Don't I feel like an oversensitive dullard.

Montalvo
Sep 3, 2007



Fun Shoe
Thanks for the Pharah tips, everyone. I'll try to get good at mobility in particular - play on console and at lower ranks, so I don't often run into Soldiers that can easily shoot me down.

1st_Panzer_Div.
May 11, 2005
Grimey Drawer
Is there a general chat for goons (lljk?) in this game? I'm only ever seemingly in general chat...

Up Circle
Apr 3, 2008
멍멍이1999 (mongmonge1999) : actually, Koreans love genji. We don't relate our historical issue with game character, as Americans don't mind about watch German porno.

Earnestly
Apr 24, 2010

Jazz hands!
Truly, 18-year-olds are a wealth of knowledge.

Proposition Joe
Oct 8, 2010

He was a good man
I don't like Temple of Anubis, but this was what happened today.

Bolivar
Aug 20, 2011

How are the custom servers going on PTR? Does it look reasonably close that Blizzard would patch it in the main game soon?

Irukandji Syndrome
Dec 26, 2008
I feel like this game could really use more specific voice commands. "Come here/look at this" (especially if you could deliberately make it mark whatever your cursor is pointing at to bring attention to like, say, roadhog hooking and killing your entire team from high ground)

In general some panic button to signify "I'm a squishy healer and the enemy team's DPS is about to kill me, HELP" other than Hello! spam would be nice.

Less necessary but still nice would be a "I'm coming/on my way" to either signify someone will handle that flanker you just pointed out OR a good way to let your unobservant team know their healer is dead but they've respawned and coming back soon.

TheresaJayne
Jul 1, 2011

Irukandji Syndrome posted:

I feel like this game could really use more specific voice commands. "Come here/look at this" (especially if you could deliberately make it mark whatever your cursor is pointing at to bring attention to like, say, roadhog hooking and killing your entire team from high ground)

In general some panic button to signify "I'm a squishy healer and the enemy team's DPS is about to kill me, HELP" other than Hello! spam would be nice.

Less necessary but still nice would be a "I'm coming/on my way" to either signify someone will handle that flanker you just pointed out OR a good way to let your unobservant team know their healer is dead but they've respawned and coming back soon.

What would be handy would be an automatic announce from zen, "<character> has been discorded" when you put the discord orb on them

as no one listens on team chat or responds anyway

Hugoon Chavez
Nov 4, 2011

THUNDERDOME LOSER
Yes I would totally love a voice command wheel with 48 different segments for every kind of call you'd want to make in the game.

Blizzard I need a "someone switch to a loving hitscan and start taking care of that Pharrah" line.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

"I'm under attack" and "Turn around/you're flanked" would be invaluable.

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flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes

Hugoon Chavez posted:

Yes I would totally love a voice command wheel with 48 different segments for every kind of call you'd want to make in the game.

Blizzard I need a "someone switch to a loving hitscan and start taking care of that Pharrah" line.

Why not just use your microphone?

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