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nachos: Jun 27, 2004; Wario Chalmers! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

messagemode1 posted:

#TrumpDeathRally

# ? Aug 24, 2015 00:43

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# ? May 24, 2024 17:24

Dahbadu: Aug 22, 2004; Reddit has helpfully advised me that I look like a "15 year old fortnite boi"

Bob Ojeda posted:

Sure.

I tend to think that structural knowledge of the primary process makes for stronger arguments than just sort of naively looking at polling numbers. But that's an argument that you can make, probably.

I agree and I also misread the initial comment you were quoting. But yeah, I think that structural knowledge of the primary process is important, and polls can be important, and a bunch of things are factors or important. My point is that the stars have aligned this election cycle, to make certain things that were very important in the past (and if decent enough predictors), possibly not as important as they once were.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 00:44

Nessus: Dec 22, 2003; After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!

Dr.Zeppelin posted:

Donald Trump could probably scrape up the amount of money that is represented on that entire graph without having any material effect on his standard of living. I don't understand why "Jeb! has A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS" is supposed to be some kind of magic bullet against a billionaire. A lack of a field operation isn't a problem that Trump money can't solve.

The big problem is that, and I'm not sure if this is formally backed up, but it seems like up to a certain point more money does not equal automatic victory. Citizens United has given us a wonderful way to test that.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 00:46

MaxxBot: Oct 6, 2003; you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!

I don't think Trump will be the nominee but I don't think Jeb! will be either, I don't think you can become president with basically no support outside of donors and endorsements from other politicians.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 00:47

Jewel Repetition: Dec 24, 2012; Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Nessus posted:

The big problem is that, and I'm not sure if this is formally backed up, but it seems like up to a certain point more money does not equal automatic victory. Citizens United has given us a wonderful way to test that.

It's going to be tested by whether Scott Walker is our next president.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 00:47

Sheng-Ji Yang: Mar 5, 2014

if jeb wins the nom itll basically be confirmation that the only important thing in american democracy is money, because thats his only advantage at all

# ? Aug 24, 2015 00:48

Dahbadu: Aug 22, 2004; Reddit has helpfully advised me that I look like a "15 year old fortnite boi"

Sheng-ji Yang posted:

if jeb wins the nom itll basically be confirmation that the only important thing in american democracy is money

Yeah, that and establishment support.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 00:49

Sheng-Ji Yang: Mar 5, 2014

Dahbadu posted:

Yeah, that and establishment support.

establishment is still split a bit, although jeb probably does have the most

# ? Aug 24, 2015 00:51

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Dahbadu posted:

I agree and I also misread the initial comment you were quoting. But yeah, I think that structural knowledge of the primary process is important, and polls can be important, and a bunch of things are factors or important. My point is that the stars have aligned this election cycle, to make certain things that were very important in the past (and if decent enough predictors), possibly not as important as they once were.

It's possible that things have fundamentally changed, that the stars have re-aligned, and a lot of our conventional wisdom is just wrong now. That's always a possibility to be aware of.

But August 2015 is really early to declare that as a certainty. And I think that's where Silver is coming from with his prediction.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 00:52

Nintendo Kid: Aug 4, 2011; by Smythe

Sheng-ji Yang posted:

if jeb wins the nom itll basically be confirmation that the only important thing in american democracy is money, because thats his only advantage at all

Well, money and ratfucking associates

# ? Aug 24, 2015 00:52

Dahbadu: Aug 22, 2004; Reddit has helpfully advised me that I look like a "15 year old fortnite boi"

Sheng-ji Yang posted:

establishment is still split a bit, although jeb probably does have the most

The point is that he's a candidate that the establishment can tolerate.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 00:52

TheDisreputableDog: Oct 13, 2005

Biden!

# ? Aug 24, 2015 00:53

Deep Hurting: Jan 19, 2006

Bob Ojeda posted:

The polls aren't really the main evidence used by the people who think that, though.

Ironically, the main evidence used by people who think that seems to be "Ron Paul."

Veskit posted:

Clinton works a lot with leaders of the black communities including pastors, NAACP members and a whole bunch and has heard and listened to concerns. She's talked about addressing problems as president, and a lot of people trust her. It's mostly trust.

Bernie however only until very recently came around to figuring out how to communicate with the community, and though that you could resolve most race issues through economics. THat's dumb and misleading. Sanders hasn't done enough to earn the trust of the minorities, nor has he cared until recently.

Clinton also literally said "All Lives Matter" while trying to directly address Black Lives Matter.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 00:53

Scrub-Niggurath: Nov 27, 2007

My money's on Rubio

# ? Aug 24, 2015 00:54

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Bob Ojeda posted:

It's possible that things have fundamentally changed, that the stars have re-aligned, and a lot of our conventional wisdom is just wrong now. That's always a possibility to be aware of.

But August 2015 is really early to declare that as a certainty. And I think that's where Silver is coming from with his prediction.

At this point I'm not sure Silver has anything reliable to base his numbers on. Silver's reputation is based on doing cross-analysis based on lots of data. There's just not that much data yet, and what there is, is not all that reliable.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 00:55

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Deep Hurting posted:

Ironically, the main evidence used by people who think that seems to be "Ron Paul."

Clinton also literally said "All Lives Matter" while trying to directly address Black Lives Matter.

I thought that was O'Malley. When did Clinton say "All Lives Matter"?

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:01

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Litany Unheard posted:

I thought that was O'Malley. When did Clinton say "All Lives Matter"?

Two months ago

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/24/417112956/hillary-clintons-three-word-gaffe-all-lives-matter

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:05

Third World Reagan: May 19, 2008; Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:06

Feather: Mar 1, 2003; Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.

Litany Unheard posted:

I thought that was O'Malley. When did Clinton say "All Lives Matter"?

A couple of months ago. Also her more recent encounter with BLM a week or so ago was a cringe-worthy experience. She basically told them to come up with legislative solutions and dodged around her involvement with the anti-crime legislation that hosed minority communities everywhere over for the last two decades.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:09

Pohl: Jan 28, 2005; In the future, please post shit with the sole purpose of antagonizing the person running this site. Thank you.

DynamicSloth posted:

Sorry, original still more disturbing.

Both images made me laugh out loud.
When I clicked on the blood one, I wasn't expecting it and I was cracking up.
Good edit.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:09

Third World Reagan: May 19, 2008; Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.

this may be loud, a warning

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5tcer_donald-trump-vs-rosie-o-donnell_sport

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:13

A Neurotic Jew: Feb 17, 2012; by exmarx

uncurable mlady posted:

"this time it's different!" - a bunch of people every 4 years shortly before learning that it's actually not different at all

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:17

The Real Paddy: Aug 21, 2004; by FactsAreUseless

A Neurotic Jew posted:

Would you say then that difference itself is impossible, and that past patterns were established during an age where factors and influences could proliferate (back when difference was possible), after which they matured, and now, for as long as there are primaries, they will work how they are "supposed" to work going into the future forever?

Presumably, either difference is possible, or it isn't. If it isn't, then we're saying that we can confidently predict that there will be no change in the primary process, ever.

Or would you say that difference is a thing that's possible?

Hmm, but wait, we have already seen numerous changes (Citizens United, the effect of the internet, candidates no longer chosen by party bosses, etc) so then I guess your point is that some factors are immutable and the others are irrelevant to that which does not change? Of course, a great way to attack this would be by saying that Trump's candidacy is not on the order of magnitude as some of those listed changes, but then that's not what I'm saying, as much as illustrating that changes do indeed occur.

Just trying to enrich myself as to your insight.

The Real Paddy fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Aug 24, 2015

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:25

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Litany Unheard posted:

I thought that was O'Malley. When did Clinton say "All Lives Matter"?

The BLM vs. "all lives matter" thing is so loving weak. It's easy to fix in a way that should satisfy everyone. Watch:

"All lives matter. That's what every decent American has professed to believe for centuries, yet we can see clearly that the institutions of this country are not acting upon it. So, when people point out that 'black lives matter' they are really just reminding us of one of the parts of 'all lives matter' that our institutions are choosing to ignore. All Americans know that all lives matter; the BLM movement wants to make sure that our institutions and our government live up to this simple, sacred truth, and we'd like to work with them toward that goal."

Re-frame the BLM movement/catchphrase/etc. as the most urgent part of fulfilling the implicit promise of saying "all lives matter."

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:27

Whiskey Sours: Jan 25, 2014; Weather proof.

Mitt Romney posted:

Also Jeb has this:

What I'm seeing is that JEB! has personally raised roughly the same amount as Carson, Cruz and Rubio. He has much more PAC money behind him, but there's no reason to assume it will all stay with him through the primaries.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:28

Dahbadu: Aug 22, 2004; Reddit has helpfully advised me that I look like a "15 year old fortnite boi"

A Neurotic Jew posted:

I didn't feel much was different 8 years ago, except we got exceedingly lucky with an amazing establishment candidate. He was such a good candidate, he was able to overcome the handicap of having dark skin and a weird name.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:29

Fritz Coldcockin: Nov 7, 2005

Boosted_C5 posted:

Yeah. I got Florida wrong too. I though Romney would win both those states and only lose by a few electoral votes.

He came pretty drat close though. The Obama machine was just so good at churning out new idiots to replace the ones that abandoned him after reality set in for four years.

Would you say that perhaps 47% of the country is just a bunch of takers?

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:33

Mr Ice Cream Glove: Apr 22, 2007

I love seeing Walker crumble into pieces

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:44

HUGE PUBES A PLUS: Apr 30, 2005

Ted Cruz has scheduled a conference call for August 25th to talk about defunding Planned Parenthood.

https://www.facebook.com/events/1035376216502973/

facebook posted:

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�This is tremendously larger than what happened in Iowa,� said David Carney, a Republican strategist who worked on that recall effort. The two are joined by Wayne Hamilton, a Texas-based organizer who has worked in the past with Perry and was campaign manager in 2014 for current Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R). The effort appears to be funded through American Renewal, which officials said spent about $10 million supporting candidates in 2014 and is considered likely to spend $15 million or more this year organizing opposition to abortion and gay marriage.

�In addition, religious broadcast organizations have pledged to air public service spots urging Christian viewers to contact their members of Congress. Carney said the effort has received commitments of support from the Bott Radio Network, which has 100 Christian radio station in the Midwest, and from American Family Radio, which owns 190 Christian radio stations in 20 states as well as national religious-television broadcasters.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:48

The Nastier Nate: May 22, 2005; All aboard the corona bus!

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Whiskey Sours posted:

What I'm seeing is that JEB! has personally raised roughly the same amount as Carson, Cruz and Rubio. He has much more PAC money behind him, but there's no reason to assume it will all stay with him through the primaries.

What happens to PAC money if:

A) The candidate drops out before it's all spent
B) The election is over and there is money left in the account?

edit: Just saw this: http://news.yahoo.com/trump-says-tax-code-letting-hedge-funds-away-155930927--sector.html

Trump 2016 - uniting progressives and racists!

The Nastier Nate fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Aug 24, 2015

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:48

Feather: Mar 1, 2003; Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.

A Neurotic Jew posted:

Eh, I tend to agree that this time it isn't (much) different. However things have in the past changed very rapidly and there's no good reason to think it *can't* happen. The question is whether it's happening *now*. I'm unconvinced and even though I support Bernie, were I to support candidates the same way I place trades in the equities casinos I'd have buy Hillary, kinda like banksters today have done already.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:52

Nintendo Kid: Aug 4, 2011; by Smythe

The Nastier Nate posted:

What happens to PAC money if:

A) The candidate drops out before it's all spent
B) The election is over and there is money left in the account?

You get some nice bonuses for the executives.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:53

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

:monocle:

quote:

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump blasted hedge fund managers on Sunday as mere "paper pushers" who he said were "getting away with murder" by not paying their fair share of taxes.

In a telephone interview on CBS's "Face the Nation," Trump vowed to reform the tax laws if elected and said the current system was harming middle class Americans who currently faced higher tax rates than traders on Wall Street.

"The hedge fund guys didn't build this country. These are guys that shift paper around and they get lucky," Trump said.

"They are energetic. They are very smart. But a lot of them - they are paper-pushers. They make a fortune. They pay no tax. It's ridiculous, ok?"

# ? Aug 24, 2015 01:58

Pohl: Jan 28, 2005; In the future, please post shit with the sole purpose of antagonizing the person running this site. Thank you.

PT6A posted:

The BLM vs. "all lives matter" thing is so loving weak. It's easy to fix in a way that should satisfy everyone. Watch:

"All lives matter. That's what every decent American has professed to believe for centuries, yet we can see clearly that the institutions of this country are not acting upon it. So, when people point out that 'black lives matter' they are really just reminding us of one of the parts of 'all lives matter' that our institutions are choosing to ignore. All Americans know that all lives matter; the BLM movement wants to make sure that our institutions and our government live up to this simple, sacred truth, and we'd like to work with them toward that goal."

Re-frame the BLM movement/catchphrase/etc. as the most urgent part of fulfilling the implicit promise of saying "all lives matter."

All lives matter is like white history month. It doesn't need to be said because it is obvious and exists every month.
That single statement is enough to destroy any further argument.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 02:00

Donovan Trip: Jan 6, 2007

Willa Rogers posted:

Trumps coming for hedgefund blood coming out of, wherever,

# ? Aug 24, 2015 02:10

A GIANT PARSNIP: Apr 13, 2010; Too much fuckin' eggnog

Willa Rogers posted:

Looks like that Jeb! Super PAC is gonna go a lot higher.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 02:12

Feather: Mar 1, 2003; Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.

Willa Rogers posted:

It's not just hedge fund managers; it's anybody who "earns" a living on these things. It's pretty shameful how low the taxes are on what is effectively gambling, trading on inside information, insider-driven news, statistics-driven bets, and (more or less) front-running.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 02:15

A MIRACLE: Sep 17, 2007; All right. It's Saturday night; I have no date, a two-liter bottle of Shasta and my all-Rush mix-tape... Let's rock.

Evil Fluffy posted:

Either way, watching goons go full Ron Paulbot for Bernie is a thing of beauty.

He's going to win okay

# ? Aug 24, 2015 02:18

Lastgirl: Sep 7, 1997; Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Third World Reggin posted:

holy gently caress that's a lot of people who think Psycho Pass is deep.

Look, just enjoy the concepts and cyberpunk overtones but it's pretty generic as far as plot goes.

Oh wait, now I completely understand how Republicans actually think :vince:

:vince:

(replace psycho-pass with Christianity. Jesus was a street samurai)

# ? Aug 24, 2015 02:18

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# ? May 24, 2024 17:24

Neurolimal: Nov 3, 2012

Willa Rogers posted:

Surprisingly not that big a swerve from Trump:

quote:

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Billionaire businessman Donald Trump has a plan to pay off the national debt, grant a middle class a tax cut, and keep Social Security afloat: tax rich people like himself.

Trump, a prospective candidate for the Reform Party presidential nomination, is proposing a one-time "net worth tax" on individuals and trusts worth $10 million or more.

By Trump's calculations, his proposed 14.25 percent levy on such net worth would raise $5.7 trillion and wipe out the debt in one full swoop.

The U.S. national debt decreased by $9.7 billion in September but remains at $5.66 trillion, according to the latest U.S. Treasury figures.

The net worth tax is the cornerstone of Trump's economic plan released Tuesday morning.

"No one has put forward a plan to make this country entirely debt free as we enter the next millenium," Trump said in a written statement.

"The plan I am proposing today does not involve smoke and mirrors, phony numbers, financial gimmicks, or the usual economic chicanery you usually find in Disneyland-on-the-Potomac," Trump said.

Trump would exempt the value of an individual's principal home from the net worth total.

"By my calculations, 1 percent of Americans, who control 90 percent of the wealth in this country, would be affected by my plan," Trump said.

"The other 99 percent of the people would get deep reductions in their federal income taxes," he said.

Eliminating the national debt would save the federal government $200 billion a year in interest payments, Trump said. He proposes to earmark half the savings for middle class tax cuts, and the other half for Social Security.

Trump said depositing $100 billion annually in the Social Security trust fund would generate $3 trillion "over the next 30-years, when the trust fund is scheduled to go broke" and instead keep the fund "solvent through the next century."

The tax also would lead to the repeal the current federal inheritance tax "which really hurts farmers and small businessman and women more than anything else," Trump said.

Trump, whose own net worth is an estimated $5 billion, says the wealthy would not suffer if his economic plan were enacted.

"Personally this plan would cost me hundreds of millions of dollars, but in all honesty, it's worth it," Trump said.

Trump predicts his debt elimination combined with his tax cuts would trigger a 35 to 40 percent boost in economic activity, with more business start-ups, more jobs, and more prosperity.

"It is a win-win for the American people, an idea no conventional politician would have the guts to put forward," Trump said.

Last month, Trump formed a committee to explore seeking the presidential nomination of the Reform Party, which will automatically be on the ballot in 21 states next year

Of course, using the fund to pay off the debt doesnt make much sense, but everything else is cool.

# ? Aug 24, 2015 02:19

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