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Party Plane Jones: Jul 1, 2007; by Reene; Fun Shoe

North Korea tried kidnapping the kids of people they executed as they were in Paris.

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A political purge which is ravaging the North Korean elite reached out � clumsily and unsuccessfully � to the Paris suburbs early this month.

A student in his early 20s was kidnapped, probably by North Korean agents, outside an architectural college north of Paris. The young man, named only as Han, the son of a senior North Korean official who was recently executed, has not been seen in public since.

It was reported at the weekend, however, that the student had evaded his kidnappers at Charles de Gaulle airport as he was about to be bundled on to a flight to China. He is now reported to be living at a secret address somewhere in France, probably under French government protection.

Four other North Korean students have also failed to attend classes near Paris since his disappearance, but they are believed to be lying low, waiting for the incident to blow over.

The episode has been shrouded in great secrecy on all sides. Although France has no diplomatic relations with North Korea, Paris appears to be anxious to avoid a public slanging match with the unpredictable and paranoid dictatorship in Pyongyang.

The young man is the son of a senior aide to North Korea�s former No 2, Jang Song-thaek, who was abruptly executed 11 months ago. The student�s father is believed to have been one of a group of officials close to the once powerful Mr Jang who were executed for �treason� last month.

Mr Jang was the uncle of the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un. Mr Kim came to power after his father, Kim Jong-il, died in April 2012. Although events within the North Korean power structure are notoriously difficult to follow, South Korean intelligence officials have briefed media in Seoul on a series of purges in recent months as Mr Kim and his aides move to expunge all traces of his uncle�s power network.

Mr Han was one of 10 architectural students who travelled to Paris in 2011 as part of a cultural and educational exchange with France. His disappearance was first reported last week by the South Korean news agency Yonhap.

French government sources confirmed on Sunday that he had been seized in early November by a group of Asian men outside his prestigious college, the Ecole Nationale Sup�rieure d�Architecture de Paris-La Villette. The sources said, however, that Mr Han had managed to evade his captors before being placed on a flight to China en route to Pyongyang. Reports in the French and South Korean media suggest that Mr Han might have been �freed� by French border police, possibly alerted by the student himself. The government sources refused to comment on these reports.

The young man is now said to be in hiding. Officials refuse to say whether he plans to seek political asylum in France or South Korea.

Four other North Korean students at the architectural school at La Villette, close to Charles de Gaulle airport, have also vanished from view. It is believed, however, that they are still in France and under orders from Pyongyang to lie low.

Five North Korean students at another architectural school, Paris-Belleville, in the centre of the capital, are attending their classes normally. Murielle Fr�ch�de, their director of studies, told Le Monde: �They are good students, serious about their work. They are doing pretty well.�

After Kim Jong-il�s death, the succession passed to his little-known third son, Kim Jong-un. It was initially thought that the real power would remain with Kim Jong-il�s brother-in-law, Jang Song-thaek, the husband of his youngest sister.

But in December last year Kim Jong-un moved to assert his dominance by accusing Jang of treason and having him executed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ne-9878739.html

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Party Plane Jones posted:

North Korea tried kidnapping the kids of people they executed as they were in Paris.

Hey now, NK needs to learn how to do feudalism properly.

Rebel, and it's not just you and your kids, but also your entire extended family that's getting tortured to death :v:

# ? Nov 24, 2014 20:27

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Actually, Kim Il Sung made that the official policy towards dissidents in 1972. "Factionalists or enemies of class...their seed must be eliminated unto three generations."

# ? Nov 24, 2014 20:39

Auritech: May 27, 2004; Blessed be the tailors
The masks are cut to fit

Blessed be the woodworkers
The crosses and the gallows

Blessed be the forgers of iron
And the spikes and the barbwire

Blessed be the stone cutters
It took a quarry to bury the dreams

It looks like there may be a new candidate in the Kim dynastic line of succession.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/27/world/asia/north-korea-politics/

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(CNN) -- The sister of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has been named as a senior government official by state media.

Kim Jong Un's younger sister, Kim Yo Jong, was mentioned in an article posted by KCNA on Thursday, referring to her as a vice department director of the Central Committee of the governing Worker's Party of Korea.

The report by the official news agency said Kim Yo Jong was one of the government officials who accompanied the North Korean leader during a tour of a cartoon film studio.

North Korea threatens more nuclear tests

The development comes just weeks after Kim Jong Un resurfaced after more than a month out of the public eye.

After his absence throughout most of September, Kim seemed to reappear October 14, when North Korean state media published the first photos of him, in which the beaming Kim held a cane in his left hand as he gave "field guidance" at a newly built residential district.

Kim hadn't been seen in public since he reportedly attended a concert with his wife on September 3. It was his longest absence from official events since he made his first public appearance in 2010, according to NK News, a website devoted to analyzing North Korea.

Before his disappearance, Kim was seen limping, prompting theories he was suffering everything from weight gain to gout. His absence fueled rampant speculation.

Not much is known about his younger sister, Kim Yo Jong.

She went to school in Switzerland and began appearing in public at party functions this year, said Victor Cha, author of "Impossible State: North Korea, Past and Future."

"Clearly, an effort to slow-track her on to becoming somebody who is important within the system," he said about Kim Yo Jong's new job. "There really aren't many bodies left to carry on the sort of Kim clan rule."

Do you think it's possible if Kim Jong Un is edged out or assassinated that perhaps she could become the next in line? Does it say more about who may actually be pulling the strings?
The KCNA article in question is here, though the mention is at the bottom and with little detail.

# ? Nov 28, 2014 04:39

Misandrist Duck: Oct 22, 2012

So! U.S. officials believe North Korea is behind the major Sony hack.

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U.S. officials believe the North Korean government was behind the computer hacking attack on Sony Pictures Entertainment, a massive security breach that embarrassed several executives and led to the cancellation of the planned Dec. 25 release of "The Interview."

The officials told NBC News the hacking attack originated outside North Korea, but they believe the individuals behind it were acting on orders from the North Koreans.

# ? Dec 18, 2014 02:14

JeffersonClay: Jun 17, 2003; by R. Guyovich

Is it possible Kim Jong Un hacked Sony and is trying to destroy this movie because he's worried that it'll get bootlegged and smuggled in, and that people will believe it is literally true, sparking a revolution?

# ? Dec 18, 2014 04:46

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

JeffersonClay posted:

Is it possible Kim Jong Un hacked Sony and is trying to destroy this movie because he's worried that it'll get bootlegged and smuggled in, and that people will believe it is literally true, sparking a revolution?

My guess is North Koreans attempting to force high-level talks with Xi Jinping.

# ? Dec 18, 2014 04:54

Beaters: Jun 28, 2004; SOWING SEEDS
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So, what's up with the North Korea interweb outage today (12/22)?

# ? Dec 23, 2014 03:25

Winkle-Daddy: Mar 10, 2007

They have like four networks. Anyone with a few hundred bucks and knows where to buy ddos time could knock out their internet. There is very little to knock out.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 03:45

Winkle-Daddy: Mar 10, 2007

Alternatively: South Korea changed the wireless password.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 04:22

Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

Oh no, now the North is going to send another angrily worded fax :ohdear:

# ? Dec 23, 2014 06:40

Gen. Ripper: Jan 12, 2013

Winkle-Daddy posted:

They have like four networks. Anyone with a few hundred bucks and knows where to buy ddos time could knock out their internet. There is very little to knock out.

Yeah pretty much this. MSNBC was going on and on and on about it and all I could think of was "but aren't there like 3 internet users in NK?"

# ? Dec 23, 2014 07:32

paragon1: Nov 22, 2010; FULL COMMUNISM NOW

Honestly if you asked me six months ago who would win in a fight between Sony Pictures of America and the DPRK, I would've picked Sony. This whole thing has really hosed up my brackets.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 07:52

thrakkorzog: Nov 16, 2007

JeffersonClay posted:

Is it possible Kim Jong Un hacked Sony and is trying to destroy this movie because he's worried that it'll get bootlegged and smuggled in, and that people will believe it is literally true, sparking a revolution?

How would people in the DPRK watch it? Most people are lucky to have a radio or TV, much less DVD players, so the few people capable of watching it are the people at the top of the pecking order, and they are the least likely to rebel. It would be like handing out blu-ray copies of Django Unchained to confederate soldiers.

It seems like a book would be easier propaganda wise. Plus hey, free toilet paper, or something to munch on if you're desperate.

Edit:

Gen. Ripper posted:

Yeah pretty much this. MSNBC was going on and on and on about it and all I could think of was "but aren't there like 3 internet users in NK?"

According to this article North Korea has 1024 unique IPs and 6Gbps bandwidth for the entire country. So yeah, it would be trivially easy to pull off a DDoS attack on them.

thrakkorzog fucked around with this message at 09:41 on Dec 23, 2014

# ? Dec 23, 2014 09:05

mediadave: Sep 8, 2011

thrakkorzog posted:

How would people in the DPRK watch it? Most people are lucky to have a radio or TV, much less DVD players, so the few people capable of watching it are the people at the top of the pecking order, and they are the least likely to rebel. It would be like handing out blu-ray copies of Django Unchained to confederate soldiers.

Nah, cheap DVD players and bootleg DVDs are now pretty common amongst North Koreans. Enough for South Korean soap opears to be come a big deal...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-koreas-dangerous-addiction-to-daytime-tv/

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The so-called �hermit kingdom� isn�t airtight anymore, thanks to private markets which sprang up after the collapse of state rationing 20 years ago. Chinese DVD players and flash drives -- used to watch pirated TV shows -- are so cheap, even impoverished North Koreans can afford them.

So North Korea�s hottest entertainment is now made in Seoul, by Pyongyang's arch-enemy, South Korea. Consumers of illegal videos live not just in privileged Pyongyang nor in the provinces bordering China -� where most of the videos are illegally recorded -- but across the country, even in less-accessible inland regions.

http://newfocusintl.com/recorders-against-dprk-regime/

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Currently, there is no accurate statistics available on either media consumption or sales in North Korea. It is not possible to know how many people, in which regions, own DVD players and other types of recorders � with or without the power storage device. The frequently cited 2012 InterMedia study states that out of 250 respondents who had escaped North Korea, 46% claimed they had access to DVD players, and 25% had accessed VCD players. Furthermore, 48% replied in 2010 that they had watched foreign DVDs. However, even this study is not statistically representative of the North Korean population. The study admitted that out of the 250 respondents, aged 15 and above, a �disproportionate number� came from provinces bordering China, where foreign information is most easily accessible.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/18/north-korea-dr-stranger

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...it-kingdom.html

# ? Dec 23, 2014 13:18

Nckdictator: Sep 8, 2006; Just..someone

Question: How can people be so deluded? I'm genuinely curious.

http://www.workers.org/articles/2013/08/28/workers-need-know-korea/

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Larry Holmes, Workers World Party�s first secretary, led a three-person, party delegation to the Democratic People�s Republic of Korea at the end of July. The DPRK was celebrating the 60th anniversary of the end of the Korean War. This is an abridged version of a report he gave to WWP�s New York branch on Aug. 15.

"Our trip has a history to it. We have been developing a relationship with the DPRK for more than 40 years.

We were there to celebrate with people around the world the 60th anniversary of the signing of the Armistice Agreement, which ended the hostilities but not the war. This is still a very big issue in lots of ways. Our comrades in the DPRK consider that they forced not only U.S. imperialism but all of its junior imperialist partners at that time, all far superior in terms of military and economic capabilities, to cease hostilities and sign at least a temporary armistice. They consider it a tremendous victory.

We were in Pyongyang, this beautiful city, the capital of the DPRK. It had been completely destroyed in the war. My goodness, if you could see it now.

We were there a full seven days. We had a few political meetings with leading members of the Workers� Party of Korea. Usually also attending those meetings were delegations of other countries, representing not governments but left parties.

The main activity was participating in parades, ceremonies, the opening of museums, a circus, recitals and many performances, with children doing unimaginable stuff to blow your mind.

A high point for me was walking on the Pueblo [a captured U.S. spy ship]. You saw all the confessions of the spies.

The purpose of our trip was simple � it was an important occasion for the DPRK and an opportune time to reaffirm our unwavering solidarity with them. We were not the only ones from the U.S. There was a delegation from the Socialist Workers Party. Progressive attorneys Ramsey Clark and Mara Verheyden-Hilliard were there, as was the Answer Coalition. To our knowledge, nobody else was there representing parties or organizations from the U.S.

But there should have been hundreds of people from this country on the 60th anniversary of the ending of the war � from the peace movement, from the trade unions, from the oppressed communities. If things were really right, there should have been military veterans and � although we�re familiar mostly with GIs radicalized by the Vietnam War and the wars in the Middle East � GIs radicalized by the Korean War. That would have been so tremendous. We should think in terms of that.

This is what should be the next time, given the necessary circumstances and conditions.

Of course, the DPRK comrades wanted to give all their guests a good time, but also show how united they are, that they have an unwavering level of solidarity at this time of pressure from imperialism, show how strong they are, how resolved they are to defend themselves, and their capability to resist imperialist aggression.

Koreans can�t be pushed around

This was my first time in the DPRK. They make a big impression. That military parade on July 27th, wow. And we thousands of guests weren�t the only ones from outside looking at it. There probably was a satellite up above from the Pentagon looking down at it. And the message from the Koreans was: Don�t mess with us. We want to be able to develop in peace. We want a peace treaty. We want unity. But if you think you�re going to push us around, it�s not going to go down that way.

When imperialism is threatening to bomb them into oblivion, to starve them, of course they�re going to be tough and show how disciplined they are.

People need to understand that and get beyond the propaganda, all the demonization and dehumanization. It would be such a great thing if more people from this country and from all around the world could actually visit the DPRK and talk to the people. That would be a weapon against the demonization. I wish that we could play a role in that.

The level of society, the cultural level, what they put into making sure that everyone is healthy, that everybody is fed, that the children have schools, that every generation is taken care of, whether in Pyongyang or outside the city, is just incredible.

Pyongyang has got to be the most beautiful city on the planet. And it�s not a small city. Some 3.5 million people � 14 percent of the total population � live there. It�s about the size of Chicago, but with a skyline that is immaculate, majestic and never-ending. It�s got parks for children and facilities for retired and elderly people. You walk around and you think of the U.S. propaganda � �It�s terrible there, it�s a slave state� � and you wish the people back home could see this.

Defense alongside development

Each day, we went to many different events. I couldn�t help thinking, �Imagine if our Korean comrades didn�t have to put so much into defending themselves against U.S. and Western imperialism and Japan and the puppet government in south Korea.�

They�ve done it the best way you can, by incorporating the military with the people. They have a slogan, military first, but that also means that the military is involved in farming and construction. It is not only defending the country against outside aggression but is also helping to build and see to the everyday needs of the people. What if they could put all their resources into just building socialism? What they could do, based on what they�ve already done, is unimaginable.

But based on revolutionary Marxism, it shouldn�t be on the backs of one relatively small country to fully build socialism and communism by itself. Marx would have considered that unscientific and impossible.

I was looking recently at one of [WWP founder] Sam Marcy�s early documents, written at the beginning of the Korean War. The document was based on the worldwide significance of the war, which he felt that the movement, even those claiming to be revolutionaries, were not recognizing and appreciating. Part of the title of that document was �The Destiny of the American Working Class.� He argued against those who think that the struggle of the U.S. workers is separate from that of the workers around the world. He said the struggle of the people of Korea against imperialism and colonialism is deeply connected and intertwined with the struggle of the workers here, for higher wages and for unions.

This is one of the reasons our name is not just �the socialist party� or �the communist party� but Workers World Party. The founding comrades wanted to make a point about having to think about the whole world proletariat, the whole world capitalist system and the global class war.

A stronger movement here would take some of the burden off the shoulders of the people and party of the DPRK. Until that situation changes, they will be forced to go on with what they have. They will persevere. There is no doubt about that. They are tough and strong.

Long live the DPRK!

# ? Dec 25, 2014 07:03

WarpedNaba: Feb 8, 2012; Being social makes me swell!

Somebody is paying them, I believe.

# ? Dec 25, 2014 07:35

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

WarpedNaba posted:

Somebody is paying them, I believe.

Because he is a deluded useful idiot. Many of them are angry wannabe leftists who think because the US said NK is lovely and bad, it must mean it is a beautiful utopia of anti-westernism or some poo poo.

# ? Dec 25, 2014 07:42

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

quote:

facilities for retired and elderly people.

It's a retirement community!

# ? Dec 25, 2014 13:37

Disinterested: Jun 29, 2011; You look like you're still raking it in. Still killing 'em?

People like that just can't cope with the fact that we don't live in a meaningfully multi-polar world anymore.

# ? Dec 25, 2014 13:42

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

Nckdictator posted:

Question: How can people be so deluded? I'm genuinely curious.

http://www.workers.org/articles/2013/08/28/workers-need-know-korea/

I'm sure Pyongyang does look very pretty and have all that stuff. It's the place where the party elites live, and where they bring foreign tourists. It's everywhere else that's poor.

# ? Dec 25, 2014 18:08

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

The WWP's raison d'etre is unconditional support for authoritarian Communist regimes, so it should be no surprise.

# ? Dec 25, 2014 18:11

tsa: Feb 3, 2014

mediadave posted:

Nah, cheap DVD players and bootleg DVDs are now pretty common amongst North Koreans. Enough for South Korean soap opears to be come a big deal...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-koreas-dangerous-addiction-to-daytime-tv/

http://newfocusintl.com/recorders-against-dprk-regime/

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/18/north-korea-dr-stranger

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...it-kingdom.html

Yea I think a lot of people's impression of NK is stuck in the worse times of the 90's as a lot of the popular books on NK were written then, but from the latest docus/books you don't get the feeling that young kids watching foreign media is particularly unusual. There was (are?) periods where chinese border crossing (both ways) became relatively easy and a bunch of cheap Chinese crap could be transferred.

thrakkorzog posted:

How would people in the DPRK watch it? Most people are lucky to have a radio or TV, much less DVD players, so the few people capable of watching it are the people at the top of the pecking order, and they are the least likely to rebel. It would be like handing out blu-ray copies of Django Unchained to confederate soldiers.

Food is expensive, not used chinese electronics. Bootleg dvds have been commonplace at the markets for about nearly a decade now.

e: well both are expensive, but you need the food everyday

# ? Dec 25, 2014 18:28

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

A quote from a 2011 article in Chosun Ilbo, which was quoted in Bennett's RAND report:

quote:

An increasing number of North Korean military officers and soldiers
are caught watching South Korean films or soap operas in
barracks, sources say. A Beijing-based source who visits the North
often said Monday, �Several Army officers and soldiers have been
caught watching South Korean movies or TV dramas since last
year, and the military has been providing extensive indoctrination
for all officers and soldiers with a view to preventing the cultural
infiltration of imperialism.�

# ? Dec 25, 2014 18:43

Nintendo Kid: Aug 4, 2011; by Smythe

tsa posted:

Yea I think a lot of people's impression of NK is stuck in the worse times of the 90's as a lot of the popular books on NK were written then, but from the latest docus/books you don't get the feeling that young kids watching foreign media is particularly unusual. There was (are?) periods where chinese border crossing (both ways) became relatively easy and a bunch of cheap Chinese crap could be transferred.

There's a key aspect there: you get a lot more of the Chinese stuff close to the border. It's progressively harder to obtain the further from that border you get.

# ? Dec 25, 2014 18:44

Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

Can't we just keep sending Dennis Rodman over there until the whole thing is sorted out?

I had a vague inkling that KJU was actually not a huge poo poo, but a sheltered idiot being manipulated by the party.
Is this wrong? I haven't looked into much of it. There was a good news site written by NK ex-pats, does anyone know what I'm talking about here cause I haven't been able to find the site again.

# ? Dec 25, 2014 19:07

tsa: Feb 3, 2014

Nintendo Kid posted:

There's a key aspect there: you get a lot more of the Chinese stuff close to the border. It's progressively harder to obtain the further from that border you get.

That's very true, it's going to vary a lot by city.

# ? Dec 25, 2014 19:11

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Nintendo Kid posted:

There's a key aspect there: you get a lot more of the Chinese stuff close to the border. It's progressively harder to obtain the further from that border you get.

how hard would it be to drop thumbdrives and counterfeit RMB all over north korea?

# ? Dec 25, 2014 19:15

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Not very, IIRC Southern activists already (used to?) launch balloons with propaganda material over the border.

Do they have enough private PCs over there to actually use the USB drives? I can imagine mass produced dvd players being cheap as poo poo, but computers still being somewhat difficult to get and not to mention fully use without the net.

# ? Dec 25, 2014 20:15

JeffersonClay: Jun 17, 2003; by R. Guyovich

Portable Usb media player.

# ? Dec 25, 2014 22:05

Nintendo Kid: Aug 4, 2011; by Smythe

JeffersonClay posted:

Portable Usb media player.

That get charged with what exactly? You know when they run out of battery.

# ? Dec 25, 2014 22:40

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Nintendo Kid posted:

Charged with what exactly?

Batteries or electricity, I'd presume. Even North Koreans have use for and can afford cheap Chinese goods.

# ? Dec 25, 2014 22:42

Cockmaster: Feb 24, 2002

mobby_6kl posted:

Not very, IIRC Southern activists already (used to?) launch balloons with propaganda material over the border.

Do they have enough private PCs over there to actually use the USB drives? I can imagine mass produced dvd players being cheap as poo poo, but computers still being somewhat difficult to get and not to mention fully use without the net.

That reminds me: A little while ago, Elon Musk put forth a proposal to create a global broadband ISP with hundreds of low-orbiting satellites. Sneaking that into North Korea could make for some fun times.

# ? Dec 25, 2014 22:44

Nintendo Kid: Aug 4, 2011; by Smythe

Cockmaster posted:

That reminds me: A little while ago, Elon Musk put forth a proposal to create a global broadband ISP with hundreds of low-orbiting satellites. Sneaking that into North Korea could make for some fun times.

Elon Musk is a bit of an idiot, because such a system would perform worse than just about all countries infrastructure.

Also it'd be pricy as hell to run. Don't really see a bunch of outsiders being willing to cover buying and maintaining the ground stations for North Koreans as long as the current regime is in power. And when it ain't, people wouldn't need the slow satellites system.

# ? Dec 25, 2014 22:51

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Cockmaster posted:

That reminds me: A little while ago, Elon Musk put forth a proposal to create a global broadband ISP with hundreds of low-orbiting satellites. Sneaking that into North Korea could make for some fun times.

http://www.o3bnetworks.com

Google's doing it.

Nintendo Kid posted:

Elon Musk is a bit of an idiot, because such a system would perform worse than just about all countries infrastructure.

Issue: Shitloads of nations have little to no infrastructure. Nations, such as: North Korea.

# ? Dec 25, 2014 22:54

Nintendo Kid: Aug 4, 2011; by Smythe

My Imaginary GF posted:

http://www.o3bnetworks.com

Google's doing it.

Issue: Shitloads of nations have little to no infrastructure. Nations, such as: North Korea.

North Korea has infrastructure. It's reserved for the use of high government officials and tourists.

As such, the only way that'll actually go forward is regime change to allow its usage, rather than the utterly underfunded plan to develop a slow satellite network and expect receivers to be granted to the residents.

# ? Dec 25, 2014 23:06

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

My Imaginary GF posted:

how hard would it be to drop thumbdrives and counterfeit RMB all over north korea?

Depends on whether anyone seen or reported picking them up, watching them, or having them in their possession goes to a prison camp forever! And, of course, the fact that North Korea can force down or shoot down the plane(s) doing it, unless you think the US military is going to fly military aircraft directly through North Korean airspace so that they can drop propaganda on North Korean towns and cities.

# ? Dec 25, 2014 23:55

Nintendo Kid: Aug 4, 2011; by Smythe

Main Paineframe posted:

Depends on whether anyone seen or reported picking them up, watching them, or having them in their possession goes to a prison camp forever! And, of course, the fact that North Korea can force down or shoot down the plane(s) doing it, unless you think the US military is going to fly military aircraft directly through North Korean airspace so that they can drop propaganda on North Korean towns and cities.

Yea that's a major thing. Effectively maintaining information flow through the whole country costs as much as a major ongoing military operation, were you to attempt it.

# ? Dec 26, 2014 00:02