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a hole-y ghost posted:demonstrably untrue if you look at goon.jpg gender: thumb
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King Vidiot posted:I think that's for those "non-gendered" or "double gendered" people who believe that they're two genders simultaneously, which is tumblretarded and smacks of attention seeking. I assume the trans students are just going to be the sex they identify as. You do know that non-gender and double-gendered people are a real thing, right? (As in, they have been documented by medical science for ages)
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Aug 5, 2014 19:17
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better "xe/xem" than "they/them" tbh. plural pronouns as gender-neutral singular pronouns are stupid
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Das Butterbrot posted:You do know that non-gender and double-gendered people are a real thing, right? (As in, they have been documented by medical science for ages) Wait, I though gender was just stuff you do or are expected to do by society or whatever. How can you document that medically?
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boom boom boom posted:Wait, I though gender was just stuff you do or are expected to do by society or whatever. How can you document that medically?
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Aug 5, 2014 19:49
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scans of the hosed up mentally ill faggots revealed that their brains were wierd, basically
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Cardiovorax posted:Body dysphoria is medically supported because it's been documented by medical imaging that the brain of transgender individuals often shows a structure that is similar to those found in the opposite sex. Dunno how that applies to bigender or whatever, though. What about effeminate men who don't want to lop their dick off and don't gently caress guys (and the ones who do), might they also have a structure similar to the opposite sex? Seems like that proves very little.
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ObamaCaresHugSquad posted:What about effeminate men who don't want to lop their dick off and don't gently caress guys (and the ones who do), might they also have a structure similar to the opposite sex? Seems like that proves very little.
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You're all missing the point. This is nothing to do with actual trannies and everything to do with mentally-ill Tumblr weirdos. They're not the same thing.
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Aug 5, 2014 19:59
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Kirk Johnson posted:You're all missing the point. This is nothing to do with actual trannies and everything to do with mentally-ill Tumblr weirdos. They're not the same thing. What is an "actual tranny"
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ObamaCaresHugSquad posted:What is an "actual tranny" Like I outlined earlier in the thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3654667&pagenumber=9&perpage=40#post433003444 Yeah, you can probably chalk it all up to different brands of the same mental illness but the point is there's a difference between a trans person who's been through all the psych and medical rigmarole for years and come out the other side still wanting to go through with it and some depressed fat poo poo on Tumblr in severe need of therapy who buys one loving lipstick and declares "ok I am a woman now" and who balks at the idea that their condition requires actual, qualified attention. The former are a tiny, tiny, tiny minority of the population; the latter are like 90% of Tumblr users and the ones who mostly won't shut up about "trans issues".
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ObamaCaresHugSquad posted:What is an "actual tranny" Theoretically, it seems the idea is that an actual tranny is a hosed up weirdo who has an actual, medical case of the girly-brains, whereas a tumblr tranny is a hosed-up weirdo who has a case of the sad-brains and thinks becoming a girl is an escape route. I do not support this interpretation, personally.
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Kirk Johnson posted:Like I outlined earlier in the thread: hmm idk none of my points personally have ever been about the amount they complain, i don't think that's a valid criteria. but on the other hand if 90% are complaining so vehemently and with such ill-will ("die cis scum") then maybe there's something confused and angsty about the whole phenomenon. or maybe not. trannies all over the world seem to make it work, but the ones who make it work seem to be more like gay men with implants. like how some guys get turned into bitches in prison or something. they are dudes playing the woman's role. but to insist that they are actually a woman, that seems to be a step too far, and i saw you say that before, and i agree with you there. Maoist Pussy posted:Theoretically, it seems the idea is that an actual tranny is a hosed up weirdo who has an actual, medical case of the girly-brains, whereas a tumblr tranny is a hosed-up weirdo who has a case of the sad-brains and thinks becoming a girl is an escape route. I do not support this interpretation, personally. the worst thing is fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Aug 5, 2014 |
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Aug 5, 2014 20:48
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Well, yeah. The concept that your brain is a woman, divorced from your body, is a strange sort of mind-body dualism up with which I shall not put.
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Also its loving gross and rapey and gay
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On one hand, gender is only a social construct, and conditioned. but on the other hand, there are people that are *just so sure* that they're the other gender opposite from what society has up to that point conditioned them to be. Which is it, do people have agency, or don't they? modern SJW thought is all one big disjointed and incoherent mess when it comes down to it. no wonder it fractures into ever smaller and smaller pieces, fighting with each other and the outside shitlords on the way down. it's a race to the bottom. There's no possibility of unification, the people doing this kind of thing don't even know what that would be or why it is important. it's degenerate intellectual cannibalization. Edit - What I mean is if gender is entirely conditioned, how is it possible, or desirable for a person to feel that they are the opposite conditioned gender from the conditioned gender that they currently are? Is conditioning automatically undesirable? Shouldn't they jump on someone who wants to be another conditioned gender? And that way of posing things makes the assumption that there is a thing that is you apart from your conditioning. What if you are nothing but your conditioning. And what if you have a part to play in your conditioning. It's all wrong, the way they approach things. "Society can't tell us who to be". Well, you are part of society. You are society, even. That's what conditioning is, the society within you. Either make a new model of society, or play along. And the problem is again, gender roles develop organically, you can't write some blog post and expect your creations to reflect something real about human nature. That would be play acting, cultish behavior. That's why the entire feminist ideology backs themself into all these corners, and then when confronted on this, says "well different people believe different things and feminism represents all of them". Well in what way does it represent all of them, if there is no single unifying idea? If the single unifying idea is "woman first", then you've effectively said nothing, because you haven't answered the questions "why" and "how". "Woman first" is just a shapeless sentiment, not a philosophical proposition. And it's a reaction to "man first", if that was ever the case. I see feminism as a symptom of the degeneracy of society into philosophical incoherence, and nothing more. It's not the problem, or the solution, it's the symptom, maybe a necessary symptom to see and acknowledge. Or even definitely. However, something more is needed. the worst thing is fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Aug 5, 2014 |
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I've never heard feminist theory propose "women first" outside straw men and extremists, fwiw
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COBRARocky posted:gently caress this gay Earth. Xis earth check your priveledges
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gently caress xis gay Earth.
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Your Dead Gay Son posted:I've never heard feminist theory propose "women first" outside straw men and extremists, fwiw
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Cardiovorax posted:there's a lot of relation between the two, tho. we kind of use one to define the other. we, uh, we don't, if you are a woman an you are your houeshold's bread-winner that does not make you a man, it just means you don't fit into the traditional gender role for a woman same for drag queens, if they identified as women then they wouldn't be drag queens
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Drink Cheerwine posted:gender: thumb
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ObamaCaresHugSquad posted:On one hand, gender is only a social construct, and conditioned. but on the other hand, there are people that are *just so sure* that they're the other gender opposite from what society has up to that point conditioned them to be. Which is it, do people have agency, or don't they? modern SJW thought is all one big disjointed and incoherent mess when it comes down to it. no wonder it fractures into ever smaller and smaller pieces, fighting with each other and the outside shitlords on the way down. it's a race to the bottom. There's no possibility of unification, the people doing this kind of thing don't even know what that would be or why it is important. it's degenerate intellectual cannibalization. this thread
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wait if you have a man brain inside a woman body, especially without valid consent (e.g. not intoxicated), then that sounds awful suspicious for rape. penetrative rape
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Gazpacho posted:gas what gets me is how these people are so adamant that men and women are just so designed in a way that their thought processes are so different, yet they talk about how gender is a social construct. sounds a little sexist to me #constructs
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serious, just prove what i said is wrong.
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Tevryr posted:what gets me is how these people are so adamant that men and women are just so designed in a way that their thought processes are so different, yet they talk about how gender is a social construct. sounds a little sexist to me #constructs This is the conflict between second-wave and third-wave feminism.
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also all this xim and trenderqueer bullshit and adding extra letters to pronouns is just grasping at straws as a way to sound more important or gain attention
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Meg From Family Guy posted:This is the conflict between second-wave and third-wave feminism. haven't comedians figured all of this out already?
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Ironically I can remember myself saying to some more close-minded friends that certain comments were essentialist and I meant that in a negative way, but third-wave feminists are literally unironic Aristotle-level essentialists
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Tevryr posted:what gets me is how these people are so adamant that men and women are just so designed in a way that their thought processes are so different, yet they talk about how gender is a social construct. sounds a little sexist to me #constructs no one informed argues that gender is "just" a social construct. it is a part of biology that has serious social implications, which is why I maintain that people claiming to be "third" or "non-binary" gender are full of poo poo.
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Tevryr posted:also all this xim and trenderqueer bullshit and adding extra letters to pronouns is just grasping at straws as a way to sound more important or gain attention yeah basically
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:no one informed argues that gender is "just" a social construct. it is a part of biology that has serious social implications, which is why I maintain that people claiming to be "third" or "non-binary" gender are full of poo poo. oh, good point. i do kind of understand a bit of that "androgynous" thing though. no one embraces it much because it sounds alien and isn't cool as like a "zazz'frit"
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:no one informed argues that gender is "just" a social construct. it is a part of biology that has serious social implications, which is why I maintain that people claiming to be "third" or "non-binary" gender are full of poo poo. Actually retard there are a very very very large number of people who believe that gender is just a social construct and sex is the biology part
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my preferred pronouns is human being/human being/rear end fucker human being, and i am glad that american schools are finalyl giving me my own human being bathroom (fagroom)
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Al Cowens posted:androgyny ftw A strange game. The only winning move, is not to play.
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You know those guitars that are, like, double guitars?
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Actually it's interesting how much of SJW tumblr nonsense comes from Aristotelian thought the previously mentioned mind body divide / dualism essentialism the appeals to reason (though poorly used)
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