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Yolomon Wayne posted:I suppose this only applies to quickplay? Oh, they're planning to push this to faction mode, but for the love of god either convince goons or dig for the faction mumble.
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Astroniomix posted:Why in god's name are you solo dropping CW? I think we've identified the problem.
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Bait and Swatch posted:I think we've identified the problem. Yes, the problem is i dont give a poo poo about one-live-deathmatch. And sadly, theres no way to play the other mode without running into premades.
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Then I'd venture to say that's your problem, not a matchmaker one.
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Jan 17, 2016 17:41
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Yes, the problem is i dont give a poo poo about one-live-deathmatch. CW screams giant premades are you insane
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Jan 17, 2016 17:41
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Yes, the problem is i dont give a poo poo about one-live-deathmatch. This is like going to see star wars and complaining the audience is full of nerds
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Jan 17, 2016 17:45
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Appearently you guys have never played any other games? Ive played plenty, and all of them kept solo-random/premade seperated as good as possible, throughout all modes.
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Jan 17, 2016 17:50
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They designed cw for faction play. That was always the point of it. It not being optimised for solo play is not surprising. You are right though I have played no other games ever.
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Jan 17, 2016 17:55
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Fil5000 posted:This is like going to see star wars and complaining the audience is full of nerds Actually, its like going to see star wars and only being shown the b/w with no sound and chinese subtitles because you went alone.
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Fil5000 posted:They designed cw for faction play. That was always the point of it. It not being optimised for solo play is not surprising. You are right though I have played no other games ever. It still wouldnt break the game if they seperated random from premades a little bit. Other games have shown that adjusting matchmakers takes less than a few days.
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Jan 17, 2016 17:56
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Appearently you guys have never played any other games? Man I never run into premades in league of legends normal queue ever!!!!
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Appearently you guys have never played any other games? You are A: seriously overestimaing how much making things "pub only" would help. And B: dropping in the group mode and then complaining that you're facing groups you loving idiot.
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ZenVulgarity posted:Man I never run into premades in league of legends normal queue ever!!!! Especially THAT game tries to match equal numbers of premades.
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Jan 17, 2016 18:00
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Astroniomix posted:You are A: seriously overestimaing how much making things "pub only" would help. Its not "group mode" however, but "faction play". If it was "group mode", it would require a "group" to enter. Again, other games have this, and it works pretty well.
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Jan 17, 2016 18:01
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Especially THAT game tries to match equal numbers of premades. Still don't care when it happens get good friend namaste
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Yoloman, you're either super loving dense retarded dumb piece of poo poo rear end fucker who blows horses, or you're trolling.
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I like blowing horses
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ZenVulgarity posted:It's bad at it happy to help At least its trying, which is still better than flat out not giving a poo poo.
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Jan 17, 2016 18:05
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Faction Play is literally designed around the concept of House/Merc units fighting other House/Merc units. Running into premades shouldn't surprise you...and you shouldn't expect such a mode to cater to solo pubs. You need to align your expectations with the stated goal and purpose of CW.
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ZenVulgarity posted:I like blowing horses I accept you and your life style choices, friend.
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Yolomon Wayne posted:It still wouldnt break the game if they seperated random from premades a little bit. They do, you just don't want to play that mode. You are playing in a mode that was explicitly designed towards group play. You act as though it is the only option or that you've been forced into it. Furthermore, you are literally complaining about it to a large group of players who who you are purposefully not joining to play CW with. You are a snowflake complaining that it's too hot for you to fall in the summer.
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Bait and Swatch posted:They do, you just don't want to play that mode. You are playing in a mode that was explicitly designed towards group play. You act as though it is the only option or that you've been forced into it. Furthermore, you are literally complaining about it to a large group of players who who you are purposefully not joining to play CW with. Im not saying its the only available option, and im certainly not forced into it. Im simply complaining that this game, in contrast to all other PvP games ive play (over the last decade), does not even try to auto-balance premades and randoms.
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Im not saying its the only available option, and im certainly not forced into it. Skoll posted:Yoloman, you're either super loving dense retarded dumb piece of poo poo rear end fucker who blows horses,
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In case you have no sensible answer, resort to profanities, well done. But rest assured i will say no hurtful word against your game anymore. Queues can not be changed to make the game more appealing to more players, that would be bad. Things should always stay as they are, because that is good. Got it now.
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I have fun in cw even with pub queue Most clans are bad friend!
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You know, this is me blurfing steady grognard, but they way they did mech design in this game sort of breaks my heart as far as I used to read the battletech poo poo when I was young. Like, releasing new mechs into the game is clearly how these clowns keep the shop open. I get that. But if they keep doing that at this pace, they might just slam every mech from the 3025 and 3050 technical readouts into the game. That sounds cool in some ways, like, who doesn't want the sheer thrill of piloting a Clint or an Ostsol? But what makes a Clint a Clint? Given how flexible these robots are, you could basically build one out of spare parts and a little imagination. There are already a couple of mediums and heavies that you can barely tell apart given some reasonably competent cookie-cutter builds, variants inclusive. It's kind of a shame. They put Vindicators in the game, but you can (and probably should) take their iconic, role-defining PPC off and throw it away? And also not play them ever, because they are 90% the same as trebuchets except shittier? I dunno, I haven't had my coffee yet but something in my brain wanted them to do something like stick with a "primary weapon" for each robot that you couldn't take off that would make each chassis REALLY different from each other, and then let players dink with the other parts to make it run how they want. Instead there's LRM boat Awesomes. Or gently caress it SRM boat Awesomes. Which nobody plays, because if you wanted to stick three PPC on a robot you would do something else.  edit jesus christ yoloman guy thanks for making my poo poo seem less neckbeard fedoracringe good sir loving dipshit le no response to le argumente loving dickwipe Tujague fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Jan 17, 2016 |
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Yolomon Wayne posted:In case you have no sensible answer, resort to profanities, well done. Yeah, because playing the raid content in WOW should clearly be remade so you can solo drop I and still do well also. In short, get better and get hosed. Namaste
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Im not saying its the only available option, and im certainly not forced into it. Bold statement. Guess you've never played Planetside 2, Guild Wars 2? How about Unreal Tournaments? Halo 3? CoD 4: MW? This game might be a little too intense or hard for you. Maybe you should drop solo queue or find a clan/faction to have members to drop into Faction Play with that way you can be carried.
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Tujague posted:You know, this is me blurfing steady grognard, but they way they did mech design in this game sort of breaks my heart as far as I used to read the battletech poo poo when I was young. Like, releasing new mechs into the game is clearly how these clowns keep the shop open. I get that. But if they keep doing that at this pace, they might just slam every mech from the 3025 and 3050 technical readouts into the game. That sounds cool in some ways, like, who doesn't want the sheer thrill of piloting a Clint or an Ostsol? The quirks are kinda a step in the direction you're talking about. Before each mech was just an X ton box with certain hard points. Now there's actually a reason for putting ppcs on an awesome or lrms on a hunchback J. It's not perfect but the flaws now come more from the quirked weapons being garbage regardless of bonuses or the mech being terrible physically (like the awesome being sixty feet wide). Quirks mean that poo poo like the blackjack is actually a cool and good robot instead of being the 45 ton dumpster fire it would be without them. It's genuinely the best thing pgi have done for the game (which is why they were talking about getting rid of them)
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Yolomon Wayne posted:In case you have no sensible answer, resort to profanities, well done. There will be a solo only queue when the CW overhaul comes around, but that will not ultimately change the way CW matches play. The other problem is that initially the purpose of CW, as mentioned earlier, was to be more focused on the shifting of planets, and thus the design for matchmaking was built around this. Unfortunately there is no benefit to sticking with one group other than e-honoure reasons and tons of reasons to switch around, so instead you just get what we have currently. You are currently playing at a time with a substantially larger active player base than most times over the last 3 years, and missed periods where it was extremely difficult if not impossible to match groups together, both in quick play and CW. The way the matchmaking system works currently is in part reflecting this, and the best I can say to do is rather than demand that the system reflect your desires (which will take time regardless), try to join a group to better work with the system as is. We don't do tons of CW here but many other groups do.
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Yolomon Wayne posted:In case you have no sensible answer, resort to profanities, well done. 
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Yolomon Wayne posted:In case you have no sensible answer, resort to profanities, well done. Guy plays game. Guy makes conscious choice to play the game mode designed for group play. Guy bitches when he runs into groups in the mode designed for group play. Guy then demands that the mode be changed to suit his preferences. Guy gets butthurt when it is pointed out that Guy is playing the mode designed for group play, and that there is already a mode that separates groups from solos that they are explicitly choosing not to play. Holy poo poo, these last few pages have had a lot of drama.
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Why isn't there fishing in this game? I want to fish, most good games have fishing yet this doesn't. Later losers, enjoy your poo poo no-fishing game.
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Devorum posted:Holy poo poo, these last few pages have had a lot of drama. *entertainment*
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I'm thinking of buying 3 firestarters while the sale is going. My understanding is that it's a pretty good base for running in circles and shooting assaults in the rear end. Two questions: would it be better to do that or just buy 2 more cicadas to go with the event one I already have? I know the cicadas play differently, so not having essentially 3 of the same mech might be a good thing. Second, if I go with the 3 firestarters, which 3 variants?
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Tujague posted:reasonable nerdery The best thing about MWLL was the lack of a mech lab. I hope future BT games take note and keep a balance between appealing to customization and established flavor. It would be nice if there were official modes with stock layouts only. It'll never happen but my dream is for faction warfare to be based on BV points instead of tonnage, with stock mechs and maybe even some kind of industrial capacity for the faction determining their offensive budget- or maybe just their budget for modifications to stock designs. At least there are community efforts for this sort of thing. Stock fights happen at least once a week.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I'm thinking of buying 3 firestarters while the sale is going. My understanding is that it's a pretty good base for running in circles and shooting assaults in the rear end. 3 of the same mech (different variants) is how you get to elite skills, which is super important.
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Bait and Swatch posted:Why isn't there fishing in this game? I want to fish, most good games have fishing yet this doesn't. Later losers, enjoy your poo poo no-fishing game. I'd be all for fishing for cbills while waiting for peek'n'poke time to finish.
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Sard posted:The best thing about MWLL was the lack of a mech lab. I hope future BT games take note and keep a balance between appealing to customization and established flavor. MWLL is the only Battletech anything without a mech lab. Customizing your mechs and tanks and whatever is such a huge part of Battletech that removing it would be dooming your game.
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