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PostNouveau posted:Really drifting into the "read too many books and broke his brain" style of leftism. Is this really how you see anyone who reads books you haven't read, or who invokes theories or words that you haven't heard? Reading is good for you, and it never stops being good for you. Only a maniac idiot would really think there's such a thing as "too many books will break your brain," come on
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Is this really how you see anyone who reads books you haven't read, or who invokes theories or words that you haven't heard? Sounds like book reader talk to me 
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May 7, 2020 22:16
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Is this really how you see anyone who reads books you haven't read, or who invokes theories or words that you haven't heard? knowing about the different kinds of leftists is absolutely bad for you
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May 7, 2020 22:20
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If you can tell me the difference between a Proudhonist and a Menshivik, that's bad for you. You are not in any way aided by having that knowledge inside you
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May 7, 2020 22:21
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Is this really how you see anyone who reads books you haven't read, or who invokes theories or words that you haven't heard? haha yeah alright book boy! You going to read some poo poo? Gonna turn some pages at us? Maybe broaden your mind and expand your spirit with many generations of human culture and knowledge? gently caress outta here
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May 7, 2020 22:22
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Actually, by reading philosophy and history, we come to better understand the phenomena we encounter in our own time, including the beliefs expressed by others. We better develop our ideas and become better at articulating them. Reading is good for you! Gripweed posted:If you can tell me the difference between a Proudhonist and a Menshivik, that's bad for you. You are not in any way aided by having that knowledge inside you The Proudhonists were anarchists and the Mensheviks were social democrats. Do you really think someone is worse off for knowing that? Even seemingly esoteric or outdated theory is useful for understanding our present moment. When Lenin went into exile for the second time, he read Hegel's Logic, and applied its ideas throughout the October Revolution Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 22:30 on May 7, 2020 |
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May 7, 2020 22:28
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Civilized Fishbot posted:The Proudhonists were anarchists and the Mensheviks were social democrats. Do you really think someone is worse off for knowing that? yes
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May 7, 2020 22:29
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Gripweed posted:yes Why? This isn't even obscure history. Proudhon literally came up with anarchism and introduced that term to the world; at their peak, the Mensheviks were the Bolshevik's biggest opponents. These people disagreed about important problems that are still relevant today, and reading about how they chose to handled those problems gives us great insights into our present concerns. Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 22:33 on May 7, 2020 |
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Gripweed posted:yes On my best days I’m a C- poster and even I can tell this is dumb.
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May 7, 2020 22:34
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PostNouveau posted:Really drifting into the "read too many books and broke his brain" style of leftism. ok first off gently caress you second off what the gently caress else am i supposed to do during a pandemic? 
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Race Realists posted:ok first off gently caress you second off what the gently caress else am i supposed to do during a pandemic? Literally anything else
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May 7, 2020 22:37
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Why? This isn't even obscure history. Proudhon literally came up with anarchism and introduced that term to the world; at their peak, the Mensheviks were the Bolshevik's biggest opponents. Can it though? It kinda seems like having opinions about the different kinds of leftists tends to just inspire petty bickering about which one was right and which ones were counter-revolutionary.
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Gripweed posted:Can it though? It kinda seems like having opinions about the different kinds of leftists tends to just inspire petty bickering about which one was right and which ones were counter-revolutionary. This absolutely tracks with my experiences
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May 7, 2020 22:38
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Civilized Fishbot posted:The Proudhonists were anarchists and the Mensheviks were social democrats. Do you really think someone is worse off for knowing that? yes ex. a: your posts
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May 7, 2020 22:40
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Gripweed posted:Can it though? It kinda seems like having opinions about the different kinds of leftists tends to just inspire petty bickering about which one was right and which ones were counter-revolutionary. It's not petty unless the people involved are petty. These are important, practical concerns about how to accomplish lasting political and economic change, and ignoring disagreements there doesn't make them go away. They can be heated discussions because there's a lot on the line - because there's a lot on the line. Too much to say "I don't care about how anyone before me tried to change the world, I bet I can figure it out without their ideas and experiences, without all those books filling my head with nonsense" The Muppets On PCP posted:yes I'm really surprised at the number of Chapo Trap House fans who apparently would've thought Marx was a huge loser who read too many books to get anything done. The dude did nothing beyond read, write, and give speeches Maybe my posts suck, they probably do, but to suggest it's because I've read too much is extremely bizarre anti-intellectualism (and I'm not even an intellectual) Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 22:43 on May 7, 2020 |
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May 7, 2020 22:40
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Civilized Fishbot posted:It's not petty unless the people involved are petty. These are important, practical concerns about how to accomplish lasting political and economic change, and ignoring disagreements there doesn't make them go away. They can be heated discussions because there's a lot on the line - because there's a lot on the line. Too much to say "I don't care about how anyone before me tried to change the world, I bet I can figure it out without their ideas and experiences, without all those books filling my head with nonsense" Of course an ekunnist would say that
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May 7, 2020 22:41
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Maybe my posts suck, they probably do, but to suggest it's because I've read too much is extremely bizarre anti-intellectualism (and I'm not even an intellectual) Ahh you're just mad that people are denigrating your hobby. I'm sorry, that was never my intention. Some people game, some people vape, some people read. All people are valid.
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May 7, 2020 22:44
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Gripweed posted:Ahh you're just mad that people are denigrating your hobby. I'm sorry, that was never my intention. No, I don't read nearly as much as I should. But I teach kids, including literacy skills, so it really does rub me the wrong way when someone suggests that reading too much is bad for you. Because reading too much can literally never be bad for you unless it robs you of time that you need to spend doing something else, and this is wildly obvious to me
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May 7, 2020 22:45
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What a wonder modern technology is. Lenin had to read Hegel's Logic, now we can just listen to Logic
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May 7, 2020 22:48
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Civilized Fishbot posted:No, I don't read nearly as much as I should. But I teach kids, including literacy skills, so it really does rub me the wrong way when someone suggests that reading too much is bad for you. Because reading too much can literally never be bad for you unless it robs you of time that you need to spend doing something else, and this is wildly obvious to me Reading is absolutely good. But people should read about cool stuff like spaceship battles.
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May 7, 2020 22:49
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Gripweed posted:Reading is absolutely good. But people should read about cool stuff like general semantics. I'm glad we agree
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May 7, 2020 22:51
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Lord-General Varich Semantics
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Wow looks like once again Mao was right, this time about the intellectuals
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PostNouveau posted:Wow looks like once again Mao was right, this time about the intellectuals Where'd you learn about Mao's stance toward intellectuals? From a book?
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Where'd you learn about Mao's stance toward intellectuals? From a book? Memes, like a normal person
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The North Tower posted:On my best days I’m a C- poster and even I can tell this is dumb.
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PostNouveau posted:Memes, like a normal person  Why god?
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Gripweed posted:Ahh you're just mad that people are denigrating your hobby. I'm sorry, that was never my intention. You're so right dude; it's not like reading is much worse than following reality television. Whatever floats your boat Civilized Fishbot.
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My quarantine has been ok. I already worked from home and dealt with mental health stuff, so I felt prepared by prior experiences to weather this out. Having a wife and dog is helpful, as are video games, and making music, and reading, and weed. Do what it takes to feel ok. Don’t think about should, just think about could or would. My mom, who doesn’t drink by herself, and had a pretty active social life, is going stir loving crazy.
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thotsky posted:You're so right dude; it's not like reading is much worse than following reality television. Whatever floats your boat Civilized Fishbot. Using "reality television" as your go-to example of frivolous media is lowkey misogynistic dude.
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Seems like what you need to get through quarantine is a wife, three cats, a computer touching job and a case of the 'tism, good to know for next time
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selec posted:My mom, who doesn’t drink by herself, and had a pretty active social life, is going stir loving crazy. My sister is losing her mind. She is completely unable to sit with herself or deal with the negative introspection that comes with it, so she is in her early 30s and never outgrew the need to sprint out the door every time the specter of self reflection raises its head. Her entire social life revolves around hanging out with lovely friends of convenience at the dive bars around town and using them as an excuse to drink and ignore the rest of her life. So quarantine is forcing her to confront that reality on the one hand, but on the other it's making her manic and miserable on account of her never developing the tools to cope with her own internality. Gripweed posted:Using "reality television" as your go-to example of frivolous media is lowkey misogynistic dude. Reality tv is pretty dumb and bad, even by tv standards, which are already dumb and bad.
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SlimGoodbody posted:My sister is losing her mind. She is completely unable to sit with herself or deal with the negative introspection that comes with it, so she is in her early 30s and never outgrew the need to sprint out the door every time the specter of self reflection raises its head. Her entire social life revolves around hanging out with lovely friends of convenience at the dive bars around town and using them as an excuse to drink and ignore the rest of her life. So quarantine is forcing her to confront that reality on the one hand, but on the other it's making her manic and miserable on account of her never developing the tools to cope with her own internality. What's her number?
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SlimGoodbody posted:My sister is losing her mind. She is completely unable to sit with herself or deal with the negative introspection that comes with it, so she is in her early 30s and never outgrew the need to sprint out the door every time the specter of self reflection raises its head. Her entire social life revolves around hanging out with lovely friends of convenience at the dive bars around town and using them as an excuse to drink and ignore the rest of her life. So quarantine is forcing her to confront that reality on the one hand, but on the other it's making her manic and miserable on account of her never developing the tools to cope with her own internality. This is an insanely weird and judgy way of thinking about someone??? Gripweed posted:What's her number? my man
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So did anyone listen to the new Inebriated Past?
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Gripweed posted:What's her number? She actually just started dating her first decent, upstanding communist instead of the god awful dregs of the bar scene, so you missed your shot. Otherwise we'd be taking this to the PMs
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SlimGoodbody posted:upstanding communist 
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Crane Fist posted:This is an insanely weird and judgy way of thinking about someone??? Buddy I've known my sister her entire life, she is one of my best friends, she's been my roommate many times, we know all each other's damage, and we literally have had the quoted conversation many times because it's something she recognizes and is in therapy trying to work on. She calls me twice a week to help talk her through panic and anxiety about her self destructive desire to sprint into toxic social situations to avoid being alone. I made an award winning short documentary with her about the personal traumas that have penned her in. Take the pearl clutching to weepytown and gasp about it there, sorry you don't have a loving relationship of radical honesty and compassion with your family
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Gripweed posted:Using "reality television" as your go-to example of frivolous media is lowkey misogynistic dude. You're right, I'm really sorry. I should have gone with "jacking off", but I hear that's straight up unhealthy these days.
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SlimGoodbody posted:Buddy I've known my sister her entire life, she is one of my best friends, she's been my roommate many times, we know all each other's damage, and we literally have had the quoted conversation many times because it's something she recognizes and is in therapy trying to work on. She calls me twice a week to help talk her through panic and anxiety about her self destructive desire to sprint into toxic social situations to avoid being alone. I made an award winning short documentary with her about the personal traumas that have penned her in. Take the pearl clutching to weepytown and gasp about it there, sorry you don't have a loving relationship of radical honesty and compassion with your family lmao yeah sure thing you weirdo. Try making some friends you're not related to and you might realise how weird this is
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