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Gunder posted:I'm starting a coding course that requires me to have a MacBook of some sort. Out of the Pro, Air and non-Pro, which would you get? The baseline models seem to be very similar in terms of pricing, and I'm trying to pick between those three, leaning towards the basic Pro. Not much difference in the basic pro vs the air What can you get for the best price? Do you plan on sticking with the Mac? I’d personally buy a $600 used one, then you can get your money back if you don’t like it And if you do, you can sell it and buy a different model if you keep coding and learn more about Macs and get a better idea of what you want/need
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Bob Morales posted:Not much difference in the basic pro vs the air Yeah I’d check swappa and get a low battery cycle used one.
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Feb 27, 2019 23:57
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So I was all set to buy a 2012 Mac Mini and upgrade it to 1tb SSD and max out the ram (16gb), but my father asked me today if I wanted his 2009 iMac that he's not using anymore. The iMac is a Core 2 Duo, and can't be upgraded to Mojave without jumping through some other hoops, but other than that is it going to be snappier than the Mini with the 16gb ram and an SSD? Late 2009 iMac: Core 2 Duo 3.06ghz Radeon 4850 No OS updates Free Late 2012 Mac Mini: Core i5 2.5ghz Intel HD Graphics 4000 Updates to Mojave ~$300
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Feb 28, 2019 00:20
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frogbs posted:So I was all set to buy a 2012 Mac Mini and upgrade it to 1tb SSD and max out the ram (16gb), but my father asked me today if I wanted his 2009 iMac that he's not using anymore. I mean the 2012 is gonna be quite a bit snapper especially if you do the upgrades. Buuut free is free so maybe take the free one and see how it goes. If you aren’t happy you can always drop the cash on the better one.
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Feb 28, 2019 00:23
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Bob Morales posted:Not much difference in the basic pro vs the air My main computer is a desktop PC running Win10, which I like. I have had MacOS laptops in the past though (leopard & snow leopard era) and liked that OS quite a bit too. I don't think I'll get sick of the OS or anything. My brother works for Apple, so I can get a nice 17% discount off whatever I buy, including things from their refurbished store, so I'll definitely be looking there first. Do Macs hold their resale value well?
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Feb 28, 2019 00:23
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Gunder posted:My main computer is a desktop PC running Win10, which I like. I have had MacOS laptops in the past though (leopard & snow leopard era) and liked that OS quite a bit too. I don't think I'll get sick of the OS or anything. My brother works for Apple, so I can get a nice 17% discount off whatever I buy, including things from their refurbished store, so I'll definitely be looking there first. Yes they do. Also good call on the refurb store that’s your best bet especially with the discount.
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Feb 28, 2019 00:27
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Feb 28, 2019 02:09
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Alright so despite my desire to get an eGPU and submit myself to an extraordinary amount of pain, turns out MHW is actually playable on a 2016 15" MBP with the Radeon 460 in bootcamp. One $25 Windows 7 key from SA Mart later and I'm slaying monsters at 1680x1050 with low settings. Is it great? Nope. Is it still better than a console, carrying 2 laptops, or experiencing eGPU support? gently caress yes.
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Feb 28, 2019 06:52
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Anyone who games on a retina mac might want to vote for GPU integer scaling to be added in the new Radeon drivers: https://www.feedback.amd.com/se/5A1E27D211FADB79
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Feb 28, 2019 11:24
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frogbs posted:So I was all set to buy a 2012 Mac Mini and upgrade it to 1tb SSD and max out the ram (16gb), but my father asked me today if I wanted his 2009 iMac that he's not using anymore. Is selling the iMac and putting that money towards a Mac Mini an option?
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Feb 28, 2019 11:45
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Mark Larson posted:Is selling the iMac and putting that money towards a Mac Mini an option? It is! Maybe that’s the better option at this point. Getting OS updates might be worth it.
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Feb 28, 2019 17:45
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Also, the Mac Mini 2012 is a lot easier to open up, and the Core 2 Duo on that iMac would leave you cringing at the glacial speed of everything after a while, especially on a patched Mojave. The Mini also has an HDMI -and- a Thunderbolt 1 port, plus an optical audio out if you like that sort of thing. Only thing going for the iMac is ability to go to 32 GB of RAM and Target Display Mode. Only has USB 2.0 / Firewire (ugh) 800..
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Feb 28, 2019 19:47
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Binary Badger posted:Also, the Mac Mini 2012 is a lot easier to open up, and the Core 2 Duo on that iMac would leave you cringing at the glacial speed of everything after a while, especially on a patched Mojave. All good points! 2012 Mac Mini it is then. Thanks all for talking it through.
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Feb 28, 2019 20:27
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Just wanna give a gruff old-timer's chuckle here and note how odd it feels to be talking about a computer from six years ago being worth buying at all, let alone competitive with today's offerings Back in my day a computer was hopelessly obsolete in six months
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Feb 28, 2019 21:23
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I think it speaks more to the fact that Intel is hitting the limits of Moore's law and affordable miniaturization technology. Can't make the process any smaller? Okay, we'll just toss in more cores. Can't fit any more cores? Oh we'll bring up the power & efficiency. Can't make it any more efficient? Oh toss in more level 3 cache then. There's only so many more tricks / dodges they can come up with. I think they hit the wall with 7 nm die size.
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Feb 28, 2019 21:41
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Maxed it 2019 mini will skullfick a 2012
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Feb 28, 2019 22:19
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Maxed out Mini 2018 (released October 2018) with 16 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD, 3.2 -> 4.6 GHz i7 is $1700 He wants to buy Mini 2012 for $300 Unless you got $1400 to throw at him..
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Feb 28, 2019 22:29
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What could he get for $300 plus whatever he gets for selling the iMac?
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Feb 28, 2019 22:42
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If my 2012 dies on me without warning, it'll be replaced with another 2012 mini. I love that drat machine.
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Feb 28, 2019 23:39
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Data Graham posted:Just wanna give a gruff old-timer's chuckle here and note how odd it feels to be talking about a computer from six years ago being worth buying at all, let alone competitive with today's offerings I just brought in my 2012 Macbook Air for a battery replacement and the $130 is totally worth it. The hardware still works like a champ and it's built like a tank while still getting all the software updates. I'm really glad I paid the extra $100 or so for the 8 gigs RAM instead of the default.
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Feb 28, 2019 23:51
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Binary Badger posted:Maxed out Mini 2018 (released October 2018) with 16 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD, 3.2 -> 4.6 GHz i7 is $1700 This right here! I can't justify that expense when I can spec a 2012 Mini with a 1tb SSD and 16gb ram for about $550 total. Plus i've heard the new Mini's have trouble pushing 4k at 60hz, so it doesn't help me there either. For my use case the horsepower in the 2012 will be enough for a while It's also worth mentioning that Apple's pricing tiers on the 2018 Mini's are a little insane. The base $799 price seems reasonable, but if you double the space and ram it jumps to $1200, which is only a little less than a 4k iMac with more space.
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Mar 1, 2019 00:08
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Not to beat this into the ground, but the Intel UHD 630 GPU in the new Mac Minis is only marginally more powerful than the HD 4000 GPU in the 2012 Mac Minis. https://www.notebookcheck.net/UHD-Graphics-630-vs-HD-Graphics-4000_8126_2822.247598.0.html Six loving years to only improve by 20% at best in one benchmark (3D test offscreen.) Fuckin' shameful if you ask me, but Intel's not out to burn down any barn doors for integrated graphics.
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Binary Badger posted:Not to beat this into the ground, but the Intel UHD 630 GPU in the new Mac Minis is only marginally more powerful than the HD 4000 GPU in the 2012 Mac Minis. The new minis should’ve shipped with the Intel chips that come with the integrated Vega-branded GPUs
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Mar 1, 2019 00:38
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Then you'd cannibalize sales of iMac 5Ks by offering more powerful GPUs than the Radeon 5xx series they currently have. Also more biatching: loving iMacs haven't been updated in two whole years, not even speed bumps. iMac Pro doesn't count, it's in another quadrant, it's to tide people over until the newModularMacPro (nMMP) comes out.
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Mar 1, 2019 00:43
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I mean doesn't that site show the new iGPU is way faster in most tests?
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Mar 1, 2019 00:45
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Try reading the graphs. There's improvement in almost every category/ benchmark but it's only maybe 3 to 6 percent for most and maybe a single 16 and a single 20 percent in other categories gain over a GPU six goddamn years old.
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I'm still seeing huge improvements. e: I'm thinking you must be looking at the % after the median number, but I don't think that means what you think it means. The HD 4000 is hot garbage and the UHD 630 is significantly better. iGPUs have come a long way since 2012. e2: just go look at the game FPS numbers on that same page for games that have numbers for both chips. Also, this e3: the 2018 i7 is also significantly faster than the 2012 i7 (even in single core workloads). Worth noting that the 2018 has a desktop CPU while the 2012 has a mobile CPU. I get the value of opting for a tricked out 2012 on the cheap for lighter workloads, but lets not pretend the 2012 is competitive with the 2018 in terms of performance. Splinter fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Mar 1, 2019 |
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Mar 1, 2019 02:49
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I feel like the summary graph is distorted by the fact that many of the tests aren't run on one or the other gpu.
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I have a 2011 iMac with a seagate 1TB HDD I am attempting to assist my friend in recovering. Im not sure, and nor is he, exactly how it ended up with a formatted drive, but it has a formatted drive. when he first told me of the problem it was 'sitting on a grey screen with a progress bar that never moves.' I took it home and booted it up and its now attempting to do a recovery and the drive is formatted and clean as if it was a blank drive. I connected the drive to my iMac via a dock and its got some bad sectors, however EaseUS drive recovery found a bunch of files on it (assuming all of them, about 10k photo files), but restoring a handful of them results in preview telling me that it cannot be displayed as it is 'empty' Ive got DiskDrill running a 'complete' recovery which has been running for like 15 hours and turned up nothing yet. Beyond sending it to a specialist, which he cant afford, any advice on how to get back his obviously-not-backed-up-anywhere-else baby photos?
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Binary Badger posted:Then you'd cannibalize sales of iMac 5Ks by offering more powerful GPUs than the Radeon 5xx series they currently have. The "Vega" IGP isn't as good as a RX5xx.
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Data Graham posted:Just wanna give a gruff old-timer's chuckle here and note how odd it feels to be talking about a computer from six years ago being worth buying at all, let alone competitive with today's offerings I've had a late 2013 15" rMBP since summer 2014. It has like 95% battery capacity and I have zero interest in ditching the thing until it dies. Beautiful display, wonderful keyboard, plenty fast 256GB SSD, and it just feels great to use. It feels quicker than ever under Mojave too. My Macbook does absolutely everything I need it to do and does it very well. Why bother buying a new laptop? Not like I'd gain anything all that noticeable with a 2015 rMBP and I'm not getting a newer model or an Air. Cough Drop The Beat fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Mar 1, 2019 |
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:I've had a late 2013 15" rMBP since summer 2014. It has like 95% battery capacity and I have zero interest in ditching the thing until it dies. Beautiful display, wonderful keyboard, plenty fast 256GB SSD, and it just feels great to use. It feels quicker than ever under Mojave too. My Macbook does absolutely everything I need it to do and does it very well. Why bother buying a new laptop? Not like I'd gain anything all that noticeable with a 2015 rMBP and I'm not getting a newer model or an Air. Word brother. I'm rocking that same machine and its great. I kinda wish it had 16gb of ram but eh it works fine with 8 for what I use it for. Its a fantastic machine.
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Laserface posted:I have a 2011 iMac with a seagate 1TB HDD I am attempting to assist my friend in recovering. You'd think somebody this deep into the Apple ecosystem would have iCloud photo backup. Lesson learned, I guess. He's screwed.
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MarcusSA posted:Word brother. I'm rocking that same machine and its great. I kinda wish it had 16gb of ram but eh it works fine with 8 for what I use it for. Same machine with 16gb. I am dreading the day it dies, best laptop of all time.
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squirrelzipper posted:Same machine with 16gb. I am dreading the day it dies, best laptop of all time. with 512gb. I’d honestly get an air just because I had a 2011 air right before it and it spoiled me for thinness/lightness for an on-foot commute. Not as a replacement for the 2013, mind you, as a complement. No amount of trade-in cash is worth my 2013. Goddamn. That one stays like my blackbook stayed.
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I'm in the market for a used 13" Pro from 2015, for office work (mails, lots of chrome tabs) and a spot of Civ5 now and then. Anything I should be especially careful to look for or concerned about?
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Mar 2, 2019 16:35
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swelling battery, whether or not it’s stolen, jizz under the keyboard, standard stuff
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Electric Bugaloo posted:swelling battery, whether or not it’s stolen, jizz under the keyboard, standard stuff Sorry, I should have clarified that I only meant bad things. But thanks.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:with 512gb. Yeah. As sad as it is, my 2013 rMBP will inevitably die in a few years with logic board/display/etc failure and either I'll probably have to spend several hundred dollars for repair at the Apple Store or pick up an Air. I'll choose the Air at that point, but there's no way I'm putting like $2k into a crap keyboard, lack of legacy ports, and the other dumb current MBP design principles. My brother and sister have the new 2018 Air and are very happy with them vs. their older 2014 Airs anyways. They seem like fine machines and not as poorly bought into Apple's lame rear end post-2015 Macbook design as the Pros. The fingerprint Touch ID actually seems very cool. Cough Drop The Beat fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Mar 3, 2019 |
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My only real beef with the new Airs is that the display isn’t as bright or accurate as what ships in the MacBook/MBP, which makes it frustrating to use as a second computer for poo poo like photos/etc. Otherwise I’d love to be able to leave my 2013 on my desk at home and bring something Air-scale to lab.
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