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a bone to pick
Sep 14, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

Chomp8645 posted:

MGSV: Phatom Pain is a really good game but the opening is real loving stupid and boring.

opposite for me, the opening was the only interesting part in an otherwise boring and stupid game

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hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

food court bailiff posted:

you care, militantly, about other people liking the same games as you. it's what you care about that makes you a loser

Games are legitimate creative works worthy of the same level of scrutiny and analysis as any other creative work or human endeavour. It's unfortunate that you think otherwise.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Twelve Batmans posted:

I'm extremely pro-choice/death and think women should be able to rid their bodies of whatever ails them even if it's a fetus or hell chop up a 3rd trimester baby I don't give a poo poo it's their body. That's a really weak attempt at character-sniping. Try harder!

Also the wage-gap doesn't exist in the form you think it does and antifa was declared a terrorist organization by our own government because suppressing speech you don't like with physical violence is in itself fascism.

I'm glad we cleared that up so you can go back to telling me how I've never been laid because I don't like lesbian porn. I'm still wondering how that one works.

lol

i wish somebody had chopped you up as a 3rd trimester baby

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"


hackbunny posted:

Games are legitimate creative works worthy of the same level of scrutiny and analysis as any other creative work or human endeavour. It's unfortunate that you think otherwise.

i never said or implied they werren't, and you'd be equally as retarded for getting your panties all twisted about someone not liking a play or a book as well, hope this helps

Lunchabully
Jul 20, 2003
Pillbug

food court bailiff posted:

what the gently caress I don't think I've ever done that.

this is why people will still be talking about Deus Ex 20 years from now

Chomp8645 posted:

MGSV: Phatom Pain is a really good game but the opening is real loving stupid and boring.

same but you could rephrase this for me to be "MGS# is a really good game but everything that isn't the gameplay is real loving stupid and boring"

MGS is another one of those games full of "I had no idea you could do that" moments. Like using Sniper Wolf's handkerchief to keep the wolves from attacking you

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

Chomp8645 posted:

MGSV: Phatom Pain is a really good game but the opening is real loving stupid and boring.

hot take: as tedious and repetitive and not much of an improvement over the previous games in the series as it is, Just Cause 3 is the better game

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"


Sardonik posted:

There's even a quest for it, given by the guy named smuggler. :toot:

I know, I just looked it up, I think I always assumed he was talking about one of the bases in the warehouses you go to as part of the story. Wtf.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

hackbunny posted:

Games are legitimate creative works worthy of the same level of scrutiny and analysis as any other creative work or human endeavour. It's unfortunate that you think otherwise.

my scrutiny and analysis has uncovered that games are hella gay and rear end

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

food court bailiff posted:

yes and you'd be equally as retarded for getting your panties all twisted about someone not liking a play or a book as well, hope this helps

It's a matter of substance and not tastes, friend. Worth debating, and even killing over, according to men greater than us both.

steinrokkan posted:

my scrutiny and analysis has uncovered that games are hella gay and rear end

hella gay and rear end would be an improvement imo

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"


hackbunny posted:

It's a matter of substance and not tastes, friend. Worth debating, and even killing over, according to men greater than us both.
/

Twelve Batmans
Dec 24, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Yeah you know I should have noticed this first.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Twelve Batmans posted:

I'm extremely pro-choice/death and think women should be able to rid their bodies of whatever ails them even if it's a fetus or hell chop up a 3rd trimester baby I don't give a poo poo it's their body. That's a really weak attempt at character-sniping. Try harder!

Also the wage-gap doesn't exist in the form you think it does and antifa was declared a terrorist organization by our own government because suppressing speech you don't like with physical violence is in itself fascism.

I'm glad we cleared that up so you can go back to telling me how I've never been laid because I don't like lesbian porn. I'm still wondering how that one works.

You're getting awful worked up that someone likes a game you don't mate. Have you tried playing a nice relaxing game of blood bowl to chill out?

2house2fly posted:

Sure, but in a genre where it's often possible to make people see reason through your Speech skill or whatever, an antagonist who can't be reasoned with (whether because they're beings of elevated godlike intelligence or because they're malfunctioning robots depending on what the plot is at the time) is another way of placing them outside the game mechanics. Which is an interesting idea, but it doesn't seem like Bioware thought any more about it, if they even thought about it at all and that's not just me reading into it

Yeah, but if it can't be reasoned with, it can't be fought, and it can't be lived with how does the player interact with it without dying or fleeing? Mass effect is a campy happy setting, a looming, unstoppable, galaxy wide extinction that can only be nihilisticly accepted is at massive odds with that. Conning the reapers into thinking that exploding each other by messing with their code or some such or just talking them down fits better with the overall tone. People in general liked the bits where you talked to them, why take those away instead of making them a focal point?

Twelve Batmans
Dec 24, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

FoolyCharged posted:

You're getting awful worked up that someone likes a game you don't mate. Have you tried playing a nice relaxing game of blood bowl to chill out?

I just think it's weird to extrapolate "HE-MAN WOMAN-HATER KEEP THE SLUTS PREGNANT AND STUPID" from someone expressing that they don't think revelation of a sexual identity is an appropriate or interesting reward for a "videogame". I only responded to (unrelated) accusations, I didn't put the saddle on that pony.

a bone to pick
Sep 14, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

hackbunny posted:

hot take: as tedious and repetitive and not much of an improvement over the previous games in the series as it is, Just Cause 3 is the better game

jc3 barely works on any of the systems it was released on lol.

I was a huge fan of the first 2 but good christ they dropped the ball for the third.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Twelve Batmans posted:

I just think it's weird to extrapolate "HE-MAN WOMAN-HATER KEEP THE SLUTS PREGNANT AND STUPID" from someone expressing that they don't think revelation of a sexual identity is an appropriate or interesting reward for a "videogame". I only responded to (unrelated) accusations, I didn't put the saddle on that pony.

But you sure did ride it son

Twelve Batmans
Dec 24, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

FoolyCharged posted:

But you sure did ride it son

Hey I had fun.

More fun than I did playing Gone Home.

romanowski
Nov 10, 2012

there should be more stats in my lesbian story game

romanowski
Nov 10, 2012

my actual unpopular opinion is that walking simulators are good, or at least can be good in theory but they keep loving up the stories

MPREG.mpeg
Oct 20, 2017
These new yuri games like Gone Home would be great if they could just get the story right.

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

a bone to pick posted:

jc3 barely works on any of the systems it was released on lol.

haven't played it myself but my girlfriend seems to play it pretty well on the ps4

mostly by watching her play mgsv I found myself reflexively thinking "shoot the grappling hook! glide! god why do you run everywhere it takes forever" and then I remember you could never do something that goofy in a serious game for serious adults like mgsv. plus I don't know if it's its age or what but mgsv looks pretty bad. like, lo-fi. low resolution textures. poor, washed out color palette (the original mgs was like the single ps1 game with good colors)

and the stealth part looks inferior to hitman. it does nothing that other games don't do better. kojima really dropped the ball on that one


I don't watch cartoons, it's a gift from a fan

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Firewatch was also entertaining enough for the $10/couple hours I invested in it even if the "twist" was pretty transparent

Olaf The Stout
Oct 16, 2009

FORUMS NO.1 SLEEPY DAWGS MEMESTER
Gone home does not present it's lesbian romance as titillating. Gone home was written by the same women who wrote the bioshock 2 DLC, MInerva's den. She is a lesbian who grew up in seattle during the 90s, and decided to write a small game reflective of her own experiences. Gone homes main story is a simple, sweet love story told without any exploitive elements.

It you cannot relate to finding and being in love, than a large portion of the game is not going to make any impact on you.

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av
maybe it's my age speaking but I appreciated the portrayal of the parents much more, especially the dad in all his cringy daddiness. I was so happy that he found closure by becoming a cult classic author :unsmith:

VictorianQueerLit
Aug 25, 2017
Gone Home isn't actually a game and is stupid trash, hth

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av
In conclusion, Gone Home is a land of contrasts.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Olaf The Stout posted:

Gone home does not present it's lesbian romance as titillating. Gone home was written by the same women who wrote the bioshock 2 DLC, MInerva's den. She is a lesbian who grew up in seattle during the 90s, and decided to write a small game reflective of her own experiences. Gone homes main story is a simple, sweet love story told without any exploitive elements.

It you cannot relate to finding and being in love, than a large portion of the game is not going to make any impact on you.

i dont want to rummage through some rear end in a top hat's boring house to find out the minutae of their boring, depressingly drab lives

Sneaky Wombat
Jan 9, 2010

Metal gear solid 2 is a great and fun game that gets worse the further you get. That game falls off the deep end in a way that's loving dumb.

a bone to pick
Sep 14, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
The more I hear about Gone Home the more I want to claw my eyes out and replace them with cadburry eggs.

Twelve Batmans
Dec 24, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Olaf The Stout posted:

Gone home does not present it's lesbian romance as titillating. Gone home was written by the same women who wrote the bioshock 2 DLC, MInerva's den. She is a lesbian who grew up in seattle during the 90s, and decided to write a small game reflective of her own experiences. Gone homes main story is a simple, sweet love story told without any exploitive elements.

It you cannot relate to finding and being in love, than a large portion of the game is not going to make any impact on you.

You can relate to something and still think it's a lovely product. I battle clinical depression and that didn't make me think that Depression Quest was any good either.

"Oh you just don't get it because you haven't been there" is one of the laziest ways to defend a product. I've also never been a svelte half-demon with a giant sword but I didn't need to relate to Devil May Cry 3's protagonist to figure out it's a loving awesome game.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
gone home 2: the chilling story of how a man lost his keys and locked himself outside his bachelor apartment. Twist: The keys were in his pocket the whole time, but he didn't feel them. you unlock the pieces of this mystery by collecting fragments of a greasy pizza box and doing the dishes

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av
Depression Quest had a really narrow and judgmental view of depression. in fact the idea itself of making a game of depression and therapy is kinda offensive, specially if you keep score of how "right" the player's approach to depression is. two wrongs may not make a right but I'm happy that criticism of the author overshadowed the game itself because if it had gained any sort of mainstream success, it could have been really damaging to people who already suffer enough without some chode believing they know better because they read about it in a videogame

VictorianQueerLit
Aug 25, 2017

steinrokkan posted:

gone home 2: the chilling story of how a man lost his keys and locked himself outside his bachelor apartment. Twist: The keys were in his pocket the whole time, but he didn't feel them. you unlock the pieces of this mystery by collecting fragments of a greasy pizza box and doing the dishes

If I apply Composition 101 levels of critical analysis to it I can equate doing the dishes to evolution of life itself and the greasy pizza box to capitalism making this 45 minute note reading simulator the greatest game ever conceived by anyone, anywhere on the basis of my own retarded interpretations

Irradiation
Sep 14, 2005

I understand your frustration.

VictorianQueerLit posted:

Gone Home isn't actually a game and is stupid trash, hth

See also: Firewatch.

Sardonik
Jul 1, 2005

if you like my dumb posts, you'll love my dumb youtube channel

Irradiation posted:

See also: Firewatch.

Disagree, Firewatch is the best Neckbeard Running from Problems simulator on the market.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

hackbunny posted:

haven't played it myself but my girlfriend seems to play it pretty well on the ps4

mostly by watching her play mgsv I found myself reflexively thinking "shoot the grappling hook! glide! god why do you run everywhere it takes forever" and then I remember you could never do something that goofy in a serious game for serious adults like mgsv. plus I don't know if it's its age or what but mgsv looks pretty bad. like, lo-fi. low resolution textures. poor, washed out color palette (the original mgs was like the single ps1 game with good colors)

and the stealth part looks inferior to hitman. it does nothing that other games don't do better. kojima really dropped the ball on that one

Extra, Extra, Gone Home Player Thinks You Can Get All The Experience You Need To Judge A Game By Watching Someone Else Play It For A While

Bholder
Feb 26, 2013

Firewatch is fun, but the big twist at the end is boring

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Chomp8645 posted:

MGSV: Phatom Pain is a really good game but the opening is real loving stupid and boring.


Olaf The Stout posted:

Gone home does not present it's lesbian romance as titillating. Gone home was written by the same women who wrote the bioshock 2 DLC, MInerva's den. She is a lesbian who grew up in seattle during the 90s, and decided to write a small game reflective of her own experiences. Gone homes main story is a simple, sweet love story told without any exploitive elements.

It you cannot relate to finding and being in love, than a large portion of the game is not going to make any impact on you.

and i liked that(though i liked minivas den more) its a nice small personal story that ends with a hopeful ending. personaly i prefer my walking sims to be more like observer_ but thats just me.


hackbunny posted:

hot take: as tedious and repetitive and not much of an improvement over the previous games in the series as it is, Just Cause 3 is the better game

i never really got far enough in. i played it on ps4 and it was a gift from my ex. it was fun and i liked the island but i sucked rear end at the one story mission and every patch made the game worse.


Bholder posted:

Firewatch is fun, but the big twist at the end is boring

same. i was hoping there was something interesting or maybe even spooky but NOPE.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
what is firewatch, i was under the impression it was a "walk from A to B while listening to audio logs" game

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

romanowski posted:

my actual unpopular opinion is that walking simulators are good, or at least can be good in theory but they keep loving up the stories
I think it's because too many of them focus on trying to elevate/innovate above an arbitrary marketing bar than concentrating on telling a story well. A solid chunk of what we consider the greatest human art in recorded history were commissioned/populist works where the artist was most concerned with getting a paycheck and boost to their next project.

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2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

steinrokkan posted:

what is firewatch, i was under the impression it was a "walk from A to B while listening to audio logs" game

I think the gameplay actually involves wandering around a nonlinear open world while listening to audio logs

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