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Aphrodite posted:Like the Young Avengers one. That one had numbered areas to make it easier though. That was also drawn by an exceptionally talented artist.
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FilthyImp posted:Reminder that it was around that time that superstar OC THE FACE also asked Miss Martian if she could turn into a giant cooze and eat her out. Well could she?
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Aphrodite posted:Like the Young Avengers one. That one had numbered areas to make it easier though. I recall that there was a sequence or two in Pax Americana that did the "atypical movement through the space of a page" thing, and that/those were more understandable than the instance under discussion here.
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graybook posted:I recall that there was a sequence or two in Pax Americana that did the "atypical movement through the space of a page" thing, and that/those were more understandable than the instance under discussion here. Which, again, was drawn by an exceptionally talented artist.
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This is how the page actually reads: 1) This bit of act draws the eye from the top left of the page and suggests the reader should continue to the right (it is clearly a two page spread so this is entirely possible) 2) You get here and realize this isn't what you're supposed to read next so you whiz back over to the left page where this stuff is happening that doesn't really seem connected at all to the start of the page (guy at top has some sort of long gun but no one in this sequence is show with that until we get to the panel of him on the rooftop which is apparently disconnected to this fight 3) There's a bunch happening on the bottom of the page that I guess is supposed to be giving a spacial context to the rest of the page? It's not very clearly presented 4) This is nicely presented and clearly draws the eye up the page, as intended. The rest of this makes enough sense to follow Overall, the biggest issue is that there's a lot happening and it's largely disconnected, which makes the overall confusing layout even more difficult to follow.
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Endless Mike posted:This is how the page actually reads: I dont under stand how this is possible
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Aug 1, 2016 03:20
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Actually you follow the golden ratio spiral outwards from the twelfth window down the center of the page.
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Aug 1, 2016 03:28
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There are FOUR lights.
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Aug 1, 2016 03:36
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Guys, guys. Right to left. Haven't you ever read manga before?
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Aug 1, 2016 03:41
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I never thought about it until today, but what was DC doing with Barbara Gordon in the years between Killing Joke and becoming Oracle?
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Aug 1, 2016 04:06
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She retired before Killing Joke. It was only about 10 months between Killing Joke and her Oracle debut, though she was only identified another year later. So mostly they just pretended she was still retired. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Aug 1, 2016 |
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Aug 1, 2016 04:08
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Ah. I had thought that her retiring before TKJ was a change for the movie. Didn't realize it happened that way in comics. Ten months is nothing in comics time.
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I think there's something to be said, artistically and experimentally, for an action splash page that's so frenetic and turvy-topsy that you literally don't know where to look first and which panel leads to where and whatnot. Like you could read any of those word balloons in any order and still come away with the same disheveled outcome. Now, it's one thing if a scene of two or three people talking calmly to each other is hard to follow because of the panel composition, and even with this I think it's fair to say it's super confusing and overwhelming, but that's almost kind of the interesting thing about that page (from a book I haven't read and have no particular opinions about).
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The same actions 1) Harley firing the gun and 2) Deadshot hitting his mark are both shown twice, and even dividing it into two pages means those things happen twice on the same page. The art itself isn't bad. The layout itself isn't terrible. You can see what's happening, with context, after some examination, but sequential storytelling that allows you to go from B to G to B to C to D to E to A to F to G to H to J, is the comic equivalent of a Jim Steinman song. And that is speaking as a fan of both comics and Jim Steinman. Is Bat Out of Hell great? You bet your rear end it is! Does it make sense that a radio station said, "No, we're not playing your 10-minute song with six-and-a-half choruses on the radio. Are you nuts?!" You bet your rear end it does. Who was the editor on the book? Could the letterer have helped things along? Those are more important questions than if the art is good. Inkspot fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Aug 1, 2016 |
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X-O posted:If it's a bad story involving a teen hero, this is a pretty good guess. I was never in love with his writing but his work on Gravity/Sentinel/Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane was solid and definitely gave him a "needs more love"/"put him on a bigger book" reputation about ten years ago. Then he jumped ship to DC and was immediately slotted into Countdown. Then he did Teen Titans which was awful, but so were the runs before and after, and McKeever describes the whole thing as a soul-crushing experience. I guess he did that Young Allies book a few years back, which I never read. He seems to have pretty much left the comics industry.
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Hey X-O. I don't think anyone noticed it in the last solicits, but I just saw here that Sugar & Spike is being collected by it's self. Hooray! http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2016/07/31/flippin-through-previews-august-2016/#more-212663 
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Edge & Christian posted:What all did you hate from McKeever? Nomad and Young Allies were both pretty good as well, but he took a 'break my toys before anyone else can' approach when the latter was cancelled and decided Nomad was actually a delusional sliver of Onslaught or something.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Hey X-O. I don't think anyone noticed it in the last solicits, but I just saw here that Sugar & Spike is being collected by it's self. Hooray! I'm really pleased about this!
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Edge & Christian posted:What all did you hate from McKeever? I respectfully disagree about Gravity but I was also including Nomad, Young Inhumans, Young Allies, Teen Titans, and there was another Titans series with villains that was really bad. He also did a lovely Fear Itself tie-in with teen characters. I'll agree that Sentinel was good though. I think he also did a sequel series I never read though. Teenage Fansub posted:Hey X-O. I don't think anyone noticed it in the last solicits, but I just saw here that Sugar & Spike is being collected by it's self. Hooray! Fantastic. Now I don't have to buy all the stories I have no interest in to read this. X-O fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Aug 1, 2016 |
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X-O posted:I respectfully disagree about Gravity but I was also including Nomad, Young Inhumans, Young Allies, Teen Titans, and there was another Titans series with villains that was really bad. He also did a lovely Fear Itself tie-in with teen characters. I'll agree that Sentinel was good though. I think he also did a sequel series I never read though. May I ask what you felt didn't work about Nomad in particular, because I really loved those stories as they were coming out and was really bummed when the afore-mentioned shelving of the character occurred.
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So basically the Red Hood is Batman's Punisher is what I get from how DC portrays him. Otherwise some other hero would have locked him up by now.
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I am honestly so tired of Jason Todd discussion and I like him. Or at least I used to. It's exhausting.
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Trast posted:So basically the Red Hood is Batman's Punisher is what I get from how DC portrays him. Otherwise some other hero would have locked him up by now. Punisher's a total piece of poo poo that virtually everyone else hates, who's portrayed as a vengeance-obsessed fuckup who inevitably makes everything worse for the good guys because of how goddamn awful he is. In contrast, they constantly try to humanize or justify Red Hood's actions so he's a vengeance-obsessed fuckup who inevitably makes everything worse for the good guys because of how goddamn awful he is...with a heart of gold, who feels real bad about all the horrible things he does so that makes them okay, I guess? The Punisher and Red Hood should, ostensibly, be same or similar characters but they're totally different in execution, mostly due to how the publishers themselves view the characters.
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I'm always unpleasantly surprised at how many cops and military people identify positively with the Punisher and Batman, considering how clearly insane vigilantes they both are.
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JoshTheStampede posted:I'm always unpleasantly surprised at how many cops and military people identify positively with the Punisher and Batman, considering how clearly insane vigilantes they both are. Not that you're wrong, considering how much of a hit that sort of thing is with Chris Kyle worshiping types, but it's only bad if you take a 100% realistic look at it when we're dealing with what are fundamentally cartoons. That's why I like Batman best when he's Moonraker and not Casino Royal. The Punisher, as far as I'm concerned, is his is best as gratuitous wish fulfillment and action movie violent fun. If you take it too seriously, every superhero starts to look like objectivist and/or fascist propaganda.
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Identifying with Batman is honestly fine, because at his most beatific and symbolic he's a one-man force trying to destroy Crime. Not a specific person, place, or thing - the societal impulse to impoverish others and in the process enrich oneself. There's an admirable quality to Batman where I can understand why people would find him a person to look up to, the concept of being proactive in your community to prevent others from having to experience the pain that darkened your life. I get why he can be a figure to idolize. The Punisher's always been a horrific piece of poo poo.
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WickedHate posted:Not that you're wrong, considering how much of a hit that sort of thing is with Chris Kyle worshiping types, but it's only bad if you take a 100% realistic look at it when we're dealing with what are fundamentally cartoons. That's why I like Batman best when he's Moonraker and not Casino Royal. The Punisher, as far as I'm concerned, is his is best as gratuitous wish fulfillment and action movie violent fun. If you take it too seriously, every superhero starts to look like objectivist and/or fascist propaganda. Yeah Batman I can see but even at his best Punisher is a vigilante who extrajudicially kills anyone he thinks is bad. That's not whose tshirt I want my local cops pulling on every day. You don't have to be 100% realistically looking at something to take it a little at face value. People can separate fantasy from reality but who they idolize is telling.
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JoshTheStampede posted:Yeah Batman I can see but even at his best Punisher is a vigilante who extrajudicially kills anyone he thinks is bad. That's not whose tshirt I want my local cops pulling on every day. I dunno, a cop admiring the Punisher is a lot more unnerving than it would be for most people. And like I said, I do get how the Punisher attracts scummy fans, but in general I take it as pretty far removed from reality.
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Anyone pick up the new Batman Telltale game, incidentally? It's an interesting melange of the various different versions, with some Gotham, some Nolan, some Arkham and even a bit of Brubaker and Snyder.
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Gaz-L posted:Anyone pick up the new Batman Telltale game, incidentally? It's an interesting melange of the various different versions, with some Gotham, some Nolan, some Arkham and even a bit of Brubaker and Snyder. I've heard positive things about it but I just can't justify buying a Telltale game until it's all out, not in the least because every single one of their games has gone on major sale at some point before final release.
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Aw, I was hoping for feedback on the most important decision in the game so far: (only a spoiler if you're especially paranoid) What colour lights Bruce slaps on all his Bat-stuff.
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Gaz-L posted:Aw, I was hoping for feedback on the most important decision in the game so far: (only a spoiler if you're especially paranoid) What colour lights Bruce slaps on all his Bat-stuff. Purple, obviously.
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Gaz-L posted:Anyone pick up the new Batman Telltale game, incidentally? It's an interesting melange of the various different versions, with some Gotham, some Nolan, some Arkham and even a bit of Brubaker and Snyder. I couldn't find it anywhere on the PSN. Which is a shame because I'd like to give it a shot. I've never played a Telltale.
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Tales from the Borderlands was really good and Batman is being written by the same dude so I'm optimistic for it
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Hell, it'll go on sale at least once before the season ends. I got The Wolf Among Us for a few bucks on PS4 and even Minecraft Story Mode for Android for literally a dime on Google Play when the second episode was out.
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Have we gotten any progress on the Watchmen thing yet? I haven't been reading everything, but Bats talked to Flash about it in Rebirth, right? Is that all?
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vseslav.botkin posted:Have we gotten any progress on the Watchmen thing yet? I haven't been reading everything, but Bats talked to Flash about it in Rebirth, right? Is that all? Nothing really. I expect they won't do anything with it until Johns has time to write another comic.
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vseslav.botkin posted:Have we gotten any progress on the Watchmen thing yet? I haven't been reading everything, but Bats talked to Flash about it in Rebirth, right? Is that all?
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Supersons and JLA are coming out until next year http://icv2.com/articles/news/view/35161/icv2-interview-jim-lee-dan-didio-san-diego-comic-con-part-1 Didio posted:One of the things that’s strange is we were planning #1s through September and possibly into October, but the relaunch was so strong at the beginning that we actually delayed some of the later books into next year to give them more time to spend, to build them creatively, but also we didn’t feel the urgency. We wanted to make sure we didn’t overwhelm the fan base right from the start with so many titles that we decided to delay some of the material. So we made slight adjustment on our schedule so books like Justice League America and Super Sons that we announced for later this year are moving into 2017.
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TwoPair posted:
That would be a very strange thing to have Oz be Adrian. And I mean more absolutely retarded. If y'all don't mind following my train of thought here, you have Ozymandias being very very smart manipulating world events etc etc and this Mr. Oz popping in and out of shadows being cryptic and mysterious. Then you have Manhattan already obviously altering reality obliterating people that were aware of his existence. Right now it sounds oddly familiar to the hilarisad pairing of Alexander Luthor and Superboy Prime. Ozymandias being the brains manipulating and destabilizing having unknown powers and a possible endgame, and Manhattan essentially punching reality by stealing time. I don't know just a gut feeling that this could be another dumb as hell Infinite Crisis.
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