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The only time I foresee serious fully autonomous engagements without serious consequences for the humans asleep at the wheel happening in the near future would be something ridiculous like Chinese/Iranian saturation attacks against US carrier AEGIS defenders. And even that has humans watching the computers duke it out in real time.
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JcDent posted:I guess a game LP isn't a realistic depiction of modern air warfare. Consider me corrected. And here I was, playing Wolfenstein, and wondering why the USA bothered to send so many GIs when obviously a single guy was enough.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:55 |
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Cat Mattress posted:And here I was, playing Wolfenstein, and wondering why the USA bothered to send so many GIs when obviously a single guy was enough. Hey, CMANO is a grog a game, which means it looks like it came from 1995 and costs 80 bux.
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Memento posted:I thought they took advantage of the conflict to seize Germany's Micronesian territories, knowing there would be no backlash. They did. Then they got to keep them under a League of Nations mandate and we did a bunch of fighting there in the next war.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 21:00 |
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JcDent posted:Hey, CMANO is a grog a game, which means it looks like it came from 1995 and costs 80 bux. Someone got a link to the CMANO LP?
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 21:25 |
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INTJ Mastermind posted:Someone got a link to the CMANO LP? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3815107&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 21:47 |
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All CMANO has taught me is that virtual AMRAAMs are poo poo in virtual battle conditions.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 21:58 |
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It stressed the importance of / helped visualize alot of concepts like the importance of remaining undetected in naval combat, weapon expenditure rates in near peer engagement, the functional differences and merits to NATO and Soviet anti ship design philosophy, etc to me. Its great, but it's a game first and a cool learning tool as a secondary effect. I've embarrassed myself talking out of my league using it as some sort of source for authority when it isn't. Definitely worth the cash though. Dandywalken fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Jun 4, 2017 |
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quote:They can travel faster than any other missile on the planet, up to 4,600mph, which is almost 66 times the speed of sound and enough to practically guarantee they cannot be targeted or intercepted.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 01:52 |
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drat what comes after hypersonic? Mach 66!
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B4Ctom1 posted:https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-claims-successfully-tested-hypersonic-104547548.html Sounds like a missile gap to me!
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4,600 mph is more like Mach 6. Mach 66 would be a streak of plasma blasting out xrays …
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Indeed- that's also what every other source on the Russian claim is saying. As expected, the Yahoo news editors are incompetent. Even if we assume that this deploys when they claim it will and performs as well as they claim it will (both rather dubious prospects given the rather limited Russian military budget and the scope of existing weapons procurement plans), it is hardly the threat that it is presented as. Mach 6 is slower than targets that have already been engaged by existing defensive systems, and is also high enough to severely limit terminal mobility (and thus evasive capacity). It is also likely to be very limited in launch platforms (the only confirmed ships capable of carrying one are their "Aviation Cruiser" and the Kirov-class battlecruisers), which will limit the threat it poses. A potentially nasty weapon and a new wrinkle for defense planners, but not game-changing.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 03:02 |
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Also the Russians probably don't want to deploy anything too game changing anyways for risk of inviting a first strike. Incremental improvements that keeps them a step ahead of US interception capabilities forcing the US to spend 10x what they do is the sweet spot.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 03:19 |
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So, uh Bahrain and Saudi Arabia cut diplomatic ties with Qatar and closed land/sea/air routes. The UAE and Egypt may be doing the same thing? I am assuming this is more of the Saudi-Iranian proxy war poo poo going on but wow.
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Mortabis posted:So, uh Bahrain and Saudi Arabia cut diplomatic ties with Qatar and closed land/sea/air routes. The UAE and Egypt may be doing the same thing? I am assuming this is more of the Saudi-Iranian proxy war poo poo going on but wow. I checked CNN and didn't spot anything, links?
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 04:25 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:I checked CNN and didn't spot anything, links? BBC News story that will be updated as it develops. It's literally last-half-hour stuff. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40155829 edit: isn't there a CENTCOM base in Qatar?
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 04:26 |
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Qatar has a big USAF base, with Bahrain having the big USN base.. Awkwarrrrrd!
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 04:36 |
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Fifty years ago, war broke out between Israel and its neighbours. The conflict lasted just six days but its effect would last to the present day.
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Sperglord Actual posted:Fifty years ago, war broke out between Israel and its neighbours. The conflict lasted just six days but its effect would last to the present day. Magnum put together a pretty cool feature from the pictures their photographers took during the war https://www.magnumphotos.com/newsroom/conflict/the-six-day-war/
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MrYenko posted:Can you imagine the twisting loads that get transmitted through that center wing box? Holy gently caress. I would think that fly-by-wire load limits and oscillation damping are basically a requirement for that plane. Otherwise it would be too easy to destroy it with pilot input.
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Memento posted:edit: isn't there a CENTCOM base in Qatar? The CENTCOM base. Yeah. This is going to be interesting.
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Godholio posted:The CENTCOM base. Yeah. This is going to be interesting. Don't worry, I'm sure some guy who's currently being paid to hang out in the State Dept. cafeteria is an expert on this sort of thing and will be *elated* that he'll have some actual substantive *work* to do this week.
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Big fuckin' woop, the Sprint ABM could do zero to mach 10 in five seconds, fifty years ago. E: regarding missiles, not Crisis At The Deid
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Don't worry, I'm sure some guy who's currently being paid to hang out in the State Dept. cafeteria is an expert on this sort of thing and will be *elated* that he'll have some actual substantive *work* to do this week. Unless this is the sort of job that's supposed to be done by one of the people whose positions have been totally vacant for months. At the very least stopping this sort of thing from getting out of hand in the first place might have been the job of that phantom person.
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Lake of Methane posted:4,600 mph is more like Mach 6. Mach 666 or gtfo
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Get your kicks at Mach sixty-six
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shame on an IGA posted:Big fuckin' woop, the Sprint ABM could do zero to mach 10 in five seconds, fifty years ago. Yeah, I was going to say that I was sure the US had been doing tests with similar hypersonic missiles back in the 50's. People are also aware that Prompt Global Strike is hypersonic yeah? Anyway, a hypersonic launch vehicle that's limited to one or two platforms that can't effectively sortie out of the range of land based air, or even more than a few 100 km from it's home port, in an actual time of need is of dubious usefulness.
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Can't say I'm super worried about a Kirov since I'm sure there's probably a Virginia or 688i keeping it company in blue water. Those things probably have an acoustic signature as inconspicuous as a Thunderscreech.
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Cyrano4747 posted:He's ok for grandpas stories of kicking Hitler in the nads especially if it's your intro to history. His historical arguments are poo poo though. I'll dig up my Ambrose rant later. Cyrano4747 posted:Eh, it's not just that one book, it's the whole "Ambrose phenominon" although the book is certainly emblematic of it.
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One of the things that you keep hearing in accounts of early WWII German successes is their operational flexibility and willingness to adapt quickly to changing conditions. Though to be fair this is more at the corps/army/army group level and less about company/battalion immediate objectives. It's one of the key points that as the war drew on and Hitler began to more and more micromanage things that the German defenses became very brittle and had no more of those big successes they had been known for earlier. Not that in the long run they could have changed very much, by 44 losing an Army here or there wasn't really going to slow the Russians down much and other than the landings in Italy I don't think the western forces were ever really in that kind of danger.
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Murgos posted:One of the things that you keep hearing in accounts of early WWII German successes Step 1, go after the general that insists on using bicycle couriers.
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Murgos posted:One of the things that you keep hearing in accounts of early WWII German successes is their operational flexibility and willingness to adapt quickly to changing conditions. Though to be fair this is more at the corps/army/army group level and less about company/battalion immediate objectives. They were EXTREMELY flexible at the tactical level. The motherfuckers invented objective based assignments where you give general orders and let the guys at the ground level hash it out as the situation in the field dictates. We're talking Franco-Prussian war era, here, and the roots of it go back to the reforms after Napoleon kicked Prussia's rear end. Auftragstaktik was a core component of German military culture for almost a century before WW2 got started. The idea that they were somehow inflexible and required authorization from higher authority in a way that hurt them tactically is one of the huge bones I have to pick with Ambrose.
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I never really picked out a historical thesis from Band of Brothers. Do books like that really need one anyway?
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Mortabis posted:I never really picked out a historical thesis from Band of Brothers. Do books like that really need one anyway? Well, they do if you want to say it's a work of history rather than just a collection of interviews. Even then I have a really hard time thinking of any books organized like that that don't have at least some larger argument tying things together. It doens't need to be a really strong argument, but if you flip to the intro and conclusion there's just about always the author making a claim. edit: I mean, this is natural. Your thesis is what ties the entire book together on an organizational level. One without any kind of thesis would be really weird and awkward to read. Just selecting your sources and choosing what to present would get odd. Imagine you were writing a chapter of a book about what it was like eating in a US military canteen in 1920. You read a bunch of guys stories about army food then you have to organize that. That organization is going to imply you're saying something about it. edit 2: basically it's the difference between just a sack of interviews and a book. It's really, really fundamental to writing history. Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:Auftragstaktik was a core component of German military culture for almost a century before WW2 got started. That's interesting, it's almost the same term we use here (.no) for basically the same thing: go do this, I don't give a gently caress how but tell me beforehand so I can keep track of poo poo to some extent. There's this other related term, Veränderungsfreudigkeit, perhaps translatable as "change boldness", which allegedly was a trait sought after in cadets and cultivated in military schools.
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Force de Fappe posted:That's interesting, it's almost the same term we use here (.no) for basically the same thing: go do this, I don't give a gently caress how but tell me beforehand so I can keep track of poo poo to some extent. There's this other related term, Veränderungsfreudigkeit, perhaps translatable as "change boldness", which allegedly was a trait sought after in cadets and cultivated in military schools. Well, that word in German would just be readiness/willingness to change which makes total sense for something you would want in a cadet. I don't know the exact relationship of Norwegian and German militaries in the 19th century, but given how everyone was sending officers around to chill with everyone else I would suspect the basic concept of auftragstaktik migrated north. That said, it was adopted really loving widely and even in the German context it was more an official codification of what a lot of people already understood was best practice. A lot of ACW generals who were good at their job utilized it without expressing it in exactly those terms or giving a poo poo what the Prussian General Staff was up to. The fact that it was codified at that high level is important, however, because then it becomes doctrine and the sort of thing that is taught in the academies etc. as being expected, good behavior.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Well, they do if you want to say it's a work of history rather than just a collection of interviews. Even then I have a really hard time thinking of any books organized like that that don't have at least some larger argument tying things together. It doens't need to be a really strong argument, but if you flip to the intro and conclusion there's just about always the author making a claim. Okay, out of curiosity, how would you rank Mark Zuehlke? He's one of the few dudes I've found that covers the Canadian actions during WW2 worth a drat.
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MohawkSatan posted:Okay, out of curiosity, how would you rank Mark Zuehlke? He's one of the few dudes I've found that covers the Canadian actions during WW2 worth a drat. Never read him.
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Cyrano4747 posted:A lot of ACW generals who were good at their job utilized it without expressing it in exactly those terms or giving a poo poo what the Prussian General Staff was up to. . Just to close the circle on this Justus Scheibert followed Lee around during the war and then wrote works that influenced Prussian/German strategy for the next 5 wars. Obviously one of the things Lee was known for was operational flexibility. E: also his leadership style was definately objective focused with the details largely left up to subordinates. Great when you have a Jackson or Longstreet. Not so great with say, Early. Murgos fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jun 6, 2017 |
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