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Azhais posted:Someone explain this Eruv thing to me. Google just tells me it's an area designated for Jewish households were where nothing happens on Shabbos. What's all the "down in 22 places" stuff? Traditionally shabbat is a day of rest in judaism so there are many things that are forbidden. One of the rules is around moving objects between "domains", established in Jeremiah 17:21-22 quote:thus saith the LORD: Take heed for the sake of your souls, and bear no burden on the sabbath day, nor bring it in by the gates of Jerusalem; The idea is that by establishing a wall around several houses and then exchanging food (usually bread) you combine them into one large household so that you can go about your business in the courtyard between houses. The idea has expanded in the twentieth century to include larger and larger areas. Memento posted:The linked article explains it. The tl;dr is that there's a wire line around Manhattan that makes it a "dwelling" so that Jewish people can do things like walk with canes or carry groceries on Saturday, which is normally forbidden outside their homes. It should be pointed out that the a lot of Jews don't really care and it's usually only the super observant or the hasid who find it really important. Jabor posted:It seems like it would be easier to make the argument that the eruv needs to exist to some extent, but it doesn't actually matter if there's a break in it at this exact moment. It's not like your house stops being a house when you have a window open, you know? There's a huge amount of literature behind this. Initially I believe it had to be a closable portal like a window or door. Then it was established that linked doorframes without doors were okay. Then it was decided that you really can't say how wide a door is supposed to be so two posts that were very far apart with a wire between them that you pass under is also a door. That's the rationale behind the whole thing, really. A series of poles with overhead wires is basically just a lot of very large, flimsy doorways. Moist von Lipwig fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Feb 16, 2019 |
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Why not just rest as god suggested. Know a good thing when you've got it, drat
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Use satellites to establish the perimeter in orbit. Job done, bish bash bosh.
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It seems weird that somebody would be considered orthodox but also work so hard to justify why they’re blatantly breaking both the spirit and letter of a religious law but I suppose they’re having fun with it.
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Spatial posted:Why not just rest as god suggested. Know a good thing when you've got it, drat
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Fallom posted:It seems weird that somebody would be considered orthodox but also work so hard to justify why they’re blatantly breaking both the spirit and letter of a religious law but I suppose they’re having fun with it. Asimo posted:For a more serious answer to a flippant response, the prohibitions include things like carrying medications, moving wheelchairs, and similar quality of life things for people. So everyone knows it's a kludge but its technically in the rules and lets people live their lives so everyone including YHVH is happy with it.
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Asimo posted:For a more serious answer to a flippant response, the prohibitions include things like carrying medications, moving wheelchairs, and similar quality of life things for people. So everyone knows it's a kludge but its technically in the rules and lets people live their lives so everyone including YHVH is happy with it. I'm no rabbinical scholar, but I thought that there were generally exceptions for things that are critical for life and safety. Like, ambulance drivers and firefighters are still allowed to work on the sabbath.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:I'm no rabbinical scholar, but I thought that there were generally exceptions for things that are critical for life and safety. Like, ambulance drivers and firefighters are still allowed to work on the sabbath. By law, at least in the States, you're required to make accommodations for people's religious beliefs, within reason. Asking for a specific day off a week is entirely within reason. Though at the same time if the religion itself makes an exception for emergency personnel, then 
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post some more pics this thread is getting stale
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i actually like the theological discussion im learning poo poo over here.
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sneakyfrog posted:i actually like the theological discussion im learning poo poo over here. 
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Thinking about it, I wouldn't be surprised if the exception for emergency personnel exists solely because they're more likely to be needed on the weekend, and thus not to hamper their ability to help when needed most.
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sneakyfrog posted:i actually like the theological discussion im learning poo poo over here. This isn't the place to learn stuff   Unless it's "don't fall into a tank of sunflower seeds" grain engulfment ain't no joke
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"We've got another sunflower incident - send the birds, stat!"
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iospace posted:Though at the same time if the religion itself makes an exception for emergency personnel, then That's what I'm saying, I meant that the religious rules have those exceptions for cases of emergency. Like, God is okay with you driving if it means you're putting out a fire.
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sneakyfrog posted:jesus take the wheel
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Powershift posted:This isn't the place to learn stuff Nooooooooooo
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Powershift posted:This isn't the place to learn stuff
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Re Eruv chat: yes it’s dumb as gently caress but it’s a religious practice. The answer to an imaginary Eruv or similar is “not being a batshit loon in 2019 and practicing reform or liberal Judaism”
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Can I construct an anti-eruv inside their eruv where they aren't allowed to carry things anymore?
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Why didn't god or allah or Bob or whoever wrote these rules include stipulations for this poo poo?
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fakeaccount posted:Why didn't god or allah or Bob or whoever wrote these rules include stipulations for this poo poo? Is this a God, The Devil, and Bob reference? because if it is, then hell yeah! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGy6lD75Owg
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Powershift posted:This isn't the place to learn stuff The Wikipedia entry on Grain entrapment is on-brand for this thread. quote:Smaller family farms, however, are exempt from most federal labor regulation specific to agriculture, and no safety regulations govern children working for their parents. In 2011 the U.S. Department of Labor proposed sweeping new regulations that would have changed this, prohibiting underage workers from being allowed to enter silos, among other provisions. They were withdrawn after protests from farmers and politicians of both U.S. parties.
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fakeaccount posted:Why didn't god or allah or Bob or whoever wrote these rules include stipulations for this poo poo? On the outside chance that there is actually a chosen people to lead us all into ???, I'll take the folks willing to argue on the fine points. OSHA of the soul, or some poo poo.
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It’s also great to note in the civilised world grain silo related deaths are basically 0, rather than 23 a year, possibly something to do with not letting children work in what amounts o quicksand I guess?
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Cojawfee posted:Can I construct an anti-eruv inside their eruv where they aren't allowed to carry things anymore? Better yet, create a small diameter string circle and declare everything outside it a single domain.
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Vanagoon posted:Is this a God, The Devil, and Bob reference? because if it is, then hell yeah! Love that weird show. Cojawfee posted:Can I construct an anti-eruv inside their eruv where they aren't allowed to carry things anymore? There appears to be a concept for this, actually. For zones inside an eruv that are not intended for human habitation. There are a few large Jewish communities near where I live and I looked up eruvim around me. One of the maps showed a zone inside one eruv labeled a karfef. Google maps showed it was a small swamp in between two built up neighborhoods. I think another problem involving making a planet/country wide eruv ties into the distances between dwellings helping to define the limits of the city. An eruv needs to be around (Theo)logically related dwellings, so you can't have one spanning uninhabited areas where houses are too far apart.
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When making your inner eruv, make sure to check the winding rule so you don't accidentally create a double eruv and make carrying mandatory.
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haveblue posted:When making your inner eruv, make sure to check the winding rule so you don't accidentally create a double eruv and make carrying mandatory. Just get an eruv-a-hoop
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Fallom posted:It seems weird that somebody would be considered orthodox but also work so hard to justify why they’re blatantly breaking both the spirit and letter of a religious law but I suppose they’re having fun with it. fakeaccount posted:Why didn't god or allah or Bob or whoever wrote these rules include stipulations for this poo poo? the general rabbinical agreement is that our big brains are a gift from god, so he obviously intended for us to use them, and it pleases god when we use our big brains to come up with clever interpretations of his laws. it's actually quite a nice sentiment i think. the same logic is why judaism is generally very sex-positive (why would he make it so fun if you weren't supposed to do it??) and open-minded on many topics.
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haveblue posted:When making your inner eruv, make sure to check the winding rule so you don't accidentally create a double eruv and make carrying mandatory. Or is that like putting a portable hole inside another portable hole and destroying everything?
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Wingnut Ninja posted:I'm no rabbinical scholar, but I thought that there were generally exceptions for things that are critical for life and safety. Like, ambulance drivers and firefighters are still allowed to work on the sabbath. Hatzollah has Shabbas goys who drive the ambulance back from the hospital. Once the patient has been dropped off it’s not a matter of life and death anymore so they aren’t allowed to drive. And anything where Hatzollah isn’t allowed to drive is a blessing, the poo poo those guys pull is insane. Also, ambulance driver is not the preferred nomenclature, man.
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CannonFodder posted:Or is that like putting a portable hole inside another portable hole and destroying everything? 
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zedprime posted:the people can in turn prosecute God to get the fair end of the deal. Honestly, if there's one faith which has some solid loving reasons to prosecute God, it's Judaism.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Also, ambulance driver is not the preferred nomenclature, man. Fine, meat wagon pilot.
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Cojawfee posted:Fine, meat wagon pilot. Brb, buying new patches for uniforms.
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Trabant posted:Honestly, if there's one faith which has some solid loving reasons to prosecute God, it's Judaism. OSHA Eruvchat: This time, the Jews really did do it.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Hatzollah has Shabbas goys who drive the ambulance back from the hospital. Once the patient has been dropped off it’s not a matter of life and death anymore so they aren’t allowed to drive. And anything where Hatzollah isn’t allowed to drive is a blessing, the poo poo those guys pull is insane. I've heard some crazy stories about Hatzollah EMS and the things they get away with. They've definitely done some OSHA stuff. I can't find it right now but I remember seeing a hatzollah ems SUV driving at high speeds erratically through the city with like 4 guys standing on the side steps of it hanging on for dear life trying to look all tacti-cool. Probably responding to a non urgent call too. Wackers man.
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