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Newsbusters has the smuggest drat headlines.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Chucks predicament is extra cool because he can make all the dumbass twitter accounts he wants but he can't do the one thing he wants to do with them: make chuck c johnson famous I like that Chuck apparently feels he is entitled to a Twitter account. The market has spoken, Chuck, and it said, "gently caress You!"
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GOP is really coasting on something they did 150 years ago.
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Jun 12, 2015 14:04
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Radish posted:GOP is really coasting on something they did 150 years ago. Wasn't the party system significantly different during that time period?
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Jun 12, 2015 14:06
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Takoluka posted:Wasn't the party system significantly different during that time period? Yup. The binary shift occuring in the 60's during the Civil Rights Movement. So Republicans today were basically the Democrats that would have supported the Confederates.
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Jun 12, 2015 14:10
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It definitely was. It would be more honest really to go along regional lines than party in regards to racial equality amendments since everything restructured. For instance the 13th amendment was passed when the Southern states were out trying to succeed from the union. Likewise during the voting for the 15th amendment the South was primarily Democrats.
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Jun 12, 2015 14:11
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... What significance does the bear in the middle have?
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Jun 12, 2015 14:12
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He's knows it's bullshit and is yelling in rage. That or he's getting ready to eat an atheist.
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Keeshhound posted:... What significance does the bear in the middle have? I think its a gay pride thing.
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Keeshhound posted:... What significance does the bear in the middle have? It's from Sarah Palin's facebook, don'cha know. And the comments on it are surprisingly critical of her. bpower posted:I think its a gay pride thing. But this works too.
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Jun 12, 2015 14:22
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Takoluka posted:Wasn't the party system significantly different during that time period? For the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments, replace Republican with Liberal, and Democrat with Conservative. For Obamacare, replace Republican with Conservative, Democrat with Liberal.
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Jun 12, 2015 14:22
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AdjectiveNoun posted:For the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments, replace Republican with Liberal, and Democrat with Conservative. For Obamacare, replace Republican with Conservative, Democrat with Liberal. Is there any major documentation on this? I need to argue with people on Facebook.
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Jun 12, 2015 14:46
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Takoluka posted:Is there any major documentation on this? I need to argue with people on Facebook. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
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Jun 12, 2015 14:48
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Takoluka posted:Is there any major documentation on this? I need to argue with people on Facebook. Yeah, the entire political history of the United States. For a bunch of people who love to believe that they're historical experts, between US History and the Bible, it's clear that they've never actually read anything.
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Jun 12, 2015 14:53
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Could you just compare the representatives' voting record by state for each of those votes? The states should probably line up pretty well (Deep South all vote against abolishing slavery, vote against Obamacare, etc).
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Jun 12, 2015 14:55
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Pretty much. You can look at the record and it's pretty much the South votes against these things consistently. You can see it more recently with the CRA; politicians in the South overwhelmingly voted against it. What that macro is inadvertently pointing out is that the parties don't really matter, it's just that the South is historically very much against things that help minorities.
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Jun 12, 2015 14:58
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Be prepared for them to say, straight up, that the Dixiecrat switch is a liberal lie.
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Jun 12, 2015 14:59
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Show them lists of the representatives then ask what facilitated the change from the northern Republicans that passed all those amendments and the current situation of Southern and midwest states with Republican governments and reps. They won't admit anything but with luck people will read it and learn something.
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Jun 12, 2015 15:02
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Your facts are interpreted as lies by their brains.
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I actually have the voting record, by regional (northern and southern) and party lines on hand: House Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%) Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%) Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%) Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%) Senate Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%) Lookie here, Democrats across the board still voted for it in higher proportions than the GOP.
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I use this link and point out how the South voted Democratic until 1964 and (barring 2 Southern Democrats running for President), it has voted consistently republican since. http://www.270towin.com/historical-presidential-elections/ I was then told that this does not prove anything, the Southern Strategy was made up by liberals to make it seem like conservatives are racist, the Lee Atwater quote was made up by a liberal, Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms did not hold much power in the Republican Party and they were just concerned with too much federal power and wanted to protect state's rights, and that Robert Byrd was a Democrat and a KKK member. Yep, be prepared to have all your information ignored no matter what you post.
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Jun 12, 2015 15:28
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On top the ridiculousness of pretending the Republicans of the 1800's are the same party as the modern Republicans, as if the 60's never happened, pre modern era politics, there wasn't a liberal/conservative split between the two. There were conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans. If you were a North East Republican in the 50's, you were probably a liberal, and if you were a southern Democrat...well David Duke ran as a Southern Democrat.
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Jun 12, 2015 15:28
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:I use this link and point out how the South voted Democratic until 1964 and (barring 2 Southern Democrats running for President), it has voted consistently republican since. The audio of the Atwater quote was released.
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Beamed posted:The audio of the Atwater quote was released.
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Fair enough. Thanks for the links, though!
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Jun 12, 2015 15:34
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You are never going to convince idiots that think the Southern aristocracy were the victims in the Civil War or that the GOP are both the greatest friend of minorities but for some weird reason seem to vote against them for the last 30-40 years. However there are people reading it that might be able to think critically past the white washed history that you get where it's impolite to point of uncomfortable truths about American history (and not the neo-segregationist "truths" either).
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Beamed posted:The audio of the Atwater quote was released. Yep, but that could have been anyone pretending to be him. Atwater never gave a video press conference admitting that it was him saying that so it will be denied as being real. I realized then that even if we had video proof, it would be denied as being under duress, forced or some other reason.
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Jun 12, 2015 15:36
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You can't reason with people who are conspiracy theorists. They haven't reasoned themselves into whatever they believe, and they'll rebuke whatever you present as some grand conspiracy that's suppressing the REAL truth. Everything's a conspiracy, forever.
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Jun 12, 2015 15:42
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Chuck Johnson tried to get back on twitter and was banned Why does his face always look like it's been copied and pasted from another picture?
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SedanChair posted:Why does his face always look like it's been copied and pasted from another picture? Even his face appears embarrassed to be associated with him.
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District Selectman posted:On top the ridiculousness of pretending the Republicans of the 1800's are the same party as the modern Republicans, as if the 60's never happened, pre modern era politics, there wasn't a liberal/conservative split between the two. There were conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans. If you were a North East Republican in the 50's, you were probably a liberal, and if you were a southern Democrat...well David Duke ran as a Southern Democrat. Just point out that Lincoln was a liberal. Lincoln was literally as important and as major a liberal (in the progressive/soft left sense of the term) president as any other in the country's history, as important as either Roosevelt, Wilson, or Johnson was. Not just in ending slavery, but on a shitload of topics including economics, politics, society, etc. Stick to the fact that Lincoln's politics were antithetical to the modern GOP and to Lincoln's person and if/when they start calling him a Abe Lincoln posted:Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Lincoln signed the Homestead Act which sold government owned land at below market prices to poor people so they could afford it, he greatly expanded public spending on education and infrastructure, he created the first income tax, and a progressively graded one at that, to pay for these programs and the war, and had an expansionary, inflationary monetary policy along with greater federal control over the banking system. It is almost 100% guaranteed that the people you're debating would have considered Lincoln a Kenyan Marxist Muslim had they been alive at the time, even completely ignoring the whole slavery and war thing icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Jun 12, 2015 |
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Jun 12, 2015 16:02
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"Lincoln is one of the greatest Republican presidents but for some reason I'm kinda glad he got shot..."
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icantfindaname posted:Just point out that Lincoln was a liberal. Lincoln was literally as important and as major a liberal (in the progressive/soft left sense of the term) president as any other in the country's history, as important as either Roosevelt, Wilson, or Johnson was. Not just in ending slavery, but on a shitload of topics including economics, politics, society, etc. Stick to the fact that Lincoln's politics were antithetical to the modern GOP and to Lincoln's person and if/when they start calling him a He was also a filthy moderate who didn't want to go as far in Reconstruction so people here would probably hate him if he actually lived through his second term.
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computer parts posted:He was also a filthy moderate who didn't want to go as far in Reconstruction so people here would probably hate him if he actually lived through his second term. If Recontruction hadn't gone as far as it did immediately, it might have had longer-lasting gains. (Gay-black-hitler). Ben Shapiro is losing his goddamn mind over Rachel Dolezal. I don't think he's ever been happier.
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Jun 12, 2015 16:21
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The Southern Strategy has become well-known enough now that lots of conservatives have heard of it... and will point-blank deny that it happened, sometimes while citing Robert Byrd as a "lifelong Democrat and KKK member." Which leaves out how he started his career in congress in 1953 (i.e., back when the Democrats were the conservative party), and renounced his racism later in life, to the point where for one session of congress the NAACP found he'd voted in line with their recommendations 100% of the time.
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There's also the argument to be made that moral right and wrong have nothing to do with the names of political parties. Who gives a poo poo what people call themselves or what label they inherited from 150 years ago? What matters is what actual values people are fighting for now. Trying to claim the accomplishments of someone who's been dead for a century for your "team" is fairly idiotic.
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Jun 12, 2015 16:30
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The love child of Phil Fish and Al Borland from Home Improvement.
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Supraluminal posted:There's also the argument to be made that moral right and wrong have nothing to do with the names of political parties. Who gives a poo poo what people call themselves or what label they inherited from 150 years ago? What matters is what actual values people are fighting for now. Trying to claim the accomplishments of someone who's been dead for a century for your "team" is fairly idiotic. It's a team sport mentality. People who weren't even alive then are fans of Joe DiMaggio and Babe Ruth. Gotta pay respect to your all-stars bro. It's not going to go away until you convince people that the stakes for picking a lovely team are somewhat higher than, "What matters is that my team's congressman won! In your face, you effeminate, latte-sipping, limp-wristed wimps." You know how it seems they've never actually read the Bible or the Constitution/American history when you scrutinize their arguing points? I'm more than willing to bet they've never read the policy positions of the team they vote straight ticket for, either. Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Jun 12, 2015 |
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Oh boy, this is going to be a fun news day: http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/us/washington-spokane-naacp-rachel-dolezal-identity/index.html Apparently an NAACP local chapter leader was in fact a white woman. My Facebook feed is blowing up with "cute" racist explanations on how she was outed.
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