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Motronic posted:Almost all of this labor, regardless of which mid to large company you hire, comes from your local home depo parking lot at 6 am that very morning. They're bring paid cash at the end of the day and nobody's paying taxes on poo poo. Maybe its because I am never there before 8am but both Home Depots and both Lowes near me never have day laborers. Is this a thing that's gone away? I remember people looking for work at HD when I was younger and since then we have a huge recently-immigrated-from-Venezuela population here. Like 50% of Lyft and DoorDash drivers here are Venezuelan and working like crazy to send money home. Never see day laborers though in the parking lot though.
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CarForumPoster posted:Maybe its because I am never there before 8am but both Home Depots and both Lowes near me never have day laborers. Is this a thing that's gone away? It's very area specific. I've worked at three Lowe's in two states and never had day laborers in the parking lot. The Home Depot next to the trailer park was like Woodstock though.
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Cat Hatter posted:It's very area specific. I've worked at three Lowe's in two states and never had day laborers in the parking lot. The Home Depot next to the trailer park was like Woodstock though. Yeah, the Home Depot and Lowes near my house never have day laborers, but the Home Depot on the side of I-35 has had them every time I've driven by there.
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wesleywillis posted:Spray it with water to keep the dust down, wear gloves and a mask. If you want to get really fancy buy a tyvek suit from home Depot. Brick and mortar retailers massively overcharge for the suits (and often only stock extra large), but they’re quite cheap from Internet retailers, well worth the peace of mind, I would say.
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I live in Philly burbs and I’ve never seen laborers in the parking lot, but I imagine it would be much higher demand and maybe better pay closer to the city. My guy is also from Delco and works alone while ripping cigs in the driveway. Not sure what else you could ask for. (And to be fair to him he’s really loving tidy and starts each day with prepping drop clothes and ends each day with a thorough cleanup. I just worry for him because I rarely see him eat.) The Dave fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Oct 22, 2022 |
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Oct 22, 2022 13:03
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CarForumPoster posted:Maybe its because I am never there before 8am but both Home Depots and both Lowes near me never have day laborers. Is this a thing that's gone away? 8 am is way too late. I'm serious, you need to be there at 6. This is when crews are formed for the day. As others have said, maybe your day labor pool is elsewhere. We have a flower store that is the labor rally point out here by the river 30/40 minutes away from the big box stores.
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Oct 22, 2022 15:42
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I used to work overnights at 2 Home Depots, day laborers would start trickling in around 5am, usually cleared out by 6:30 if there was enough contractors looking. Anyone still around by 7am had much lower odds of getting work that day, unless some retiree decided to start a project at 11am. Night time is the best time to work big box retail. gently caress dealing with customers. Chatting with day laborers on smoke breaks was always nice though. Good people.
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Oct 22, 2022 15:51
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How do they figure out who gets to go where, and who gets picked in what order? Just some guy in a truck rolls up “i need 4 guys for concrete forming” and then they know?
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Wild EEPROM posted:How do they figure out who gets to go where, and who gets picked in what order? Yes. I mean, the people hiring are going to the same place so they get to know people and what they're good at of course. The new guys/guys nobody knows get the poo poo unskilled jobs like carrying garbage for demo and humping materials around unless the people known to do a certain type of work are all gone and then all of a sudden you have a 17 year old tiling the steam shower of a multimillion dollar house based on the badly translated to Spanish instructions on the back of a bag of thinset.
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The Dave posted:I live in Philly burbs and I’ve never seen laborers in the parking lot, but I imagine it would be much higher demand and maybe better pay closer to the city.
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Nitrox posted:The "specialists" are going to be immigrant day laborers, who have no idea what asbestos is and how to handle it. But they sure will break it with mallets and throw it on the trailer with bare hands. Then you'll be left rummaging through the grass to pick up little pieces, that you won't realize are there until several days later. That’s if you hire a random contractor and not an abatement company. Out here on the west coast you can get abatement companies that actually follow OSHA guidelines. Of course, if you want it done right then you get to pay.
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Wild EEPROM posted:How do they figure out who gets to go where, and who gets picked in what order? That's my understanding. I only ever used them for unskilled hard labor, digging out footers and poo poo, but my experiences were excellent and they'd put my full-time crews to shame with the amount of earth they could move. We'd buy them lunch and a few gallons of water each and pay them fairly for the work (around $10/hr each) so they treated us like royalty and anytime one of our trucks rolled up we usually got swarmed. I know some people were lovely and tried to screw them so they had problems like walkoffs, but if you're nice and fair they're a great deal of reliable help for an unbeatable price.
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Plastik posted:fairly (around $10/hr each) Did you tip them? Or at least find out their opinion on beans in chili?
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Plastik posted:fairly […] (around $10/hr each) Who’s gonna tell him that exploiting less than average isn’t the same as being fair
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the yeti posted:Who’s gonna tell him that exploiting less than average isn’t the same as being fair Depends on when/where this was and what you consider fair. A couple years ago in many places that's notably above minimum wage which would also lose a bit for taxes.
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Cat Hatter posted:Depends on when/where this was and what you consider fair. A couple years ago in many places that's notably above minimum wage which would also lose a bit for taxes. above minimum wage isn't super convincing since that's a notoriously insufficient amount just about everywhere in the US. If we're somehow talking about work done in the 80s then sure okay I guess.
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the yeti posted:above minimum wage isn't super convincing since that's a notoriously insufficient amount just about everywhere in the US. If your argument is that everyone should be making more, sure. But the local Ace Hardware is, in 2022 during a bit of a labor shortage, hiring people for $11 to work a cash register (I assume the other entry level positions are similar) and yeah, it's less physically demanding, but also involves more skill than the demolition work we're talking about and the laborer is still going to be taking more of that money home. They both might deserve more, but I'm not going to call someone out for not paying unskilled labor as much as a nurse.
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the yeti posted:above minimum wage isn't super convincing since that's a notoriously insufficient amount just about everywhere in the US. When I was first employed in the '80s, minimum wage was $3.15 an hour.
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The moral of the story here is to unionize your local Home Depot parking lot. Ganbatte~! https://twitter.com/shoofle/status/1584036567051513857?s=20&t=mxotuTZ_RR0o2QbAKIhTiQ
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:When I was first employed in the '80s, minimum wage was $3.15 an hour. Yeah, I remember those days. 
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the yeti posted:Who’s gonna tell him that exploiting less than average isn’t the same as being fair The legitimate employees we paid were starting $12/hr and taking home $9 of it. We paid them fairly compared to the other companies, most of which offered closer to $6/hr, and compared to our legitimate employees. Also this was Florida in 2020 so that was more than a dollar above minimum wage. At the end of the day, they wanted to know how it was and I told them how it was. If you don't like it don't come after me, I was just as much of an unwilling participant in that system as anyone else, and coming after me will do less to change it and more to prevent you from ever understanding it than you'd want. Shit Fuckasaurus fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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an independent contractor usually needs about 50% on top of a given rate to compare to an employee. if you pay your grunt employees $12 you should have been paying your contractors $18. paying people minimum wage under the table for dangerous work is unethical as gently caress
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therobit posted:That’s if you hire a random contractor and not an abatement company. Out here on the west coast you can get abatement companies that actually follow OSHA guidelines. Of course, if you want it done right then you get to pay. One of my good friends from college is the son of someone who did this and he spent a summer working with the crew. The thing that hosed with me to hear was that it was standard practice to drill a hole through respirators to smoke cigarettes through and then cover it with duct tape while abating. He did not decide to become a master abator himself. Edit: since moving to Vermont we have worked with two construction companies, an excavator, a painting place and an HVAC place and none used day laborers as far as I could tell. Also have not seen any here but I don't hang out at the HD that is an hour away, may be a thing up in Burlington. The main places I have seen immigrant labor here are agri work and big box item delivery. Cabbages and VHS fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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Lutha Mahtin posted:paying people under the table for dangerous work is unethical as gently caress Fixed that for you. It ends up being a way for the employer to avoid paying for benefits and taxes while making the employee think they're coming off better than they are. For example, I've never seen someone getting paid under the table get workers comp for themselves (but my experience is limited, so hey, maybe not all builders are just risking career ending disability with no workman's comp like my family and everyone they work with very often are).
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It's a hazard.
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Stairway to heaven* * Offer not guaranteed. Terms and conditions may apply.
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increasingly Dutch staircase
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Nice handrail
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Nitrox posted:Nice handrail one of the things I love about this place is when people comment bc it's always something I didn't catch straight-up thought that was loose lumber
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Honestly I'd rather have a rope to go down on.
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Yes.
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GreenNight posted:Honestly I'd rather have a rope to go down on. How would you make it stiff?
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wesleywillis posted:How would you make it stiff? Same way you keep your motorcycle stay in one place.
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wesleywillis posted:How would you make it stiff? https://www.wikihow.com/Build-a-Gallows
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Nitrox posted:Roosevelt Blvd and Aramingo Ave, Home Depot. The best one in the area is the one down on Columbus because of the sandwich shop attached to it, fantastic sausage. Things should be franchised and at every HD everywhere.
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    Corten facade over white stucco, white stone, white concrete, and white brick. I'll edit this post with updates every couple years.
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Hopefully they get volume discounts on CLR.
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It's already started and they haven't even finished construction.
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They call it “weathering steel” and market it as a feature.
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