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Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

mango sentinel posted:

It's my impression people commonly use the klon trying to get a clean/transparent boost, which is totally stupid since the strong mids and warm dirt are like the whole point of the thing.

Yeah it's really dumb, the big draw for me is that the distortion stays really clear and reacts really well to different intensities of picking at the mid/high levels. I had considered shelling out for the JHS twin twelve but realized I could get something similar with a klone. Also it sounds pretty good when paired with my cheap beringer OD.

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trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Spanish Manlove posted:

So far the only multi effects unit I've ever owned has been amplitube, and then the katana. Which both taught me that if I went back to a conventional amp setup, only two delays and a reverb just isn't enough and I will need a lot more.

you should get a ME-80, they’ve been out for a while and can be had fairly cheap

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo
While we're on pedals, some of the weird ones I want to play around with are the EHX Mainframe bitcrusher, Earthquaker Rainbow Machine, Eventide Rose, Way Huge Ringworm, and Dwarfworks Grazer. Are there any other notable pedals, especially under $100, that should be on my radar. Preferably something with at least a little practical application. not Miku

Im curious about making glitchy, dungeon synthy, cosmic sounds.

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

mango sentinel posted:

It's my impression people commonly use the klon trying to get a clean/transparent boost, which is totally stupid since the strong mids and warm dirt are like the whole point of the thing.

they don't have as sharp a mid-hump compared to tubescreamer designs, which some people prefer :shrug:

Thumposaurus
Jul 24, 2007

mango sentinel posted:

While we're on pedals, some of the weird ones I want to play around with are the EHX Mainframe bitcrusher, Earthquaker Rainbow Machine, Eventide Rose, Way Huge Ringworm, and Dwarfworks Grazer. Are there any other notable pedals, especially under $100, that should be on my radar. Preferably something with at least a little practical application. not Miku

Im curious about making glitchy, dungeon synthy, cosmic sounds.

You should be able to find some kind of Green Ringer clone for under $100.00.
It's a pretty easy first project if you have interest in building your own stuff. It's probably only about $5 in actual electrical components.

I run the one I built through a DIY feed back loop pedal. That's something else you should look into if you're looking to make glitchy noise it's 4 jacks with a pot and a switch. The pot is too feed the out put back into the input in a controllable way. It can make anything sound hosed up.

Pondex
Jul 8, 2014

mango sentinel posted:

While we're on pedals, some of the weird ones I want to play around with are the EHX Mainframe bitcrusher, Earthquaker Rainbow Machine, Eventide Rose, Way Huge Ringworm, and Dwarfworks Grazer. Are there any other notable pedals, especially under $100, that should be on my radar. Preferably something with at least a little practical application. not Miku

Im curious about making glitchy, dungeon synthy, cosmic sounds.

I was about to say that Digitech has some cool weird modulation-pedals. Polara, Obscura, Dirty Robot. But it looks like they've really gone up in price since they were discontinued. Their DOD Rubberneck-delay is pretty cool too. It has an effects-loop so you can put a delay on your delay.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

mango sentinel posted:

While we're on pedals, some of the weird ones I want to play around with are the EHX Mainframe bitcrusher, Earthquaker Rainbow Machine, Eventide Rose, Way Huge Ringworm, and Dwarfworks Grazer. Are there any other notable pedals, especially under $100, that should be on my radar. Preferably something with at least a little practical application. not Miku

Im curious about making glitchy, dungeon synthy, cosmic sounds.

Boss HM2 or the Behringer HM300

creamcorn
Oct 26, 2007

automatic gun for fast, continuous firing

mango sentinel posted:

While we're on pedals, some of the weird ones I want to play around with are the EHX Mainframe bitcrusher, Earthquaker Rainbow Machine, Eventide Rose, Way Huge Ringworm, and Dwarfworks Grazer. Are there any other notable pedals, especially under $100, that should be on my radar. Preferably something with at least a little practical application. not Miku

Im curious about making glitchy, dungeon synthy, cosmic sounds.

didn't you like literally just start playing? i'm a big effect guy, but you don't want to learn the instrument clouding your sound with obfuscatory effects (i would have thrown my guitar off a bridge if i was trying to make it sound good my first year with a rainbow machine lol)

buy a good interface, download a bunch of free vst effects, and learn what effects do what/get an idea what you like before you spend $ on physical gear. buying gear before you actually find your voice is going to wind up with you selling most of what you get later on, your tastes haven't developed yet.

a multi effect like you were posting about earlier would be good for learning what things do too, but the use case for them vs free computer effects is pretty small if you're not gigging/traveling with your guitar frequently to places computers aren't practical.

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

Thumposaurus posted:

You should be able to find some kind of Green Ringer clone for under $100.00.
It's a pretty easy first project if you have interest in building your own stuff. It's probably only about $5 in actual electrical components.

I run the one I built through a DIY feed back loop pedal. That's something else you should look into if you're looking to make glitchy noise it's 4 jacks with a pot and a switch. The pot is too feed the out put back into the input in a controllable way. It can make anything sound hosed up.

I can do very basic circuitry and wiring and would like to know more about these projects.

Spanish Manlove posted:

Boss HM2 or the Behringer HM300

HM300 is already on my shortlist. :black101:

creamcorn posted:

didn't you like literally just start playing? i'm a big effect guy, but you don't want to learn the instrument clouding your sound with obfuscatory effects (i would have thrown my guitar off a bridge if i was trying to make it sound good my first year with a rainbow machine lol)

I did. I'm not buying any of those in the immediate future, but they're goals I wanna work toward.

I've got a podcast and hate my Blue Yeti for being frustrating and ponderous. Buying an interface and swapping my yeti with an XLR mic seems like it would kill two birds with one stone in the interim.

nishi koichi
Feb 16, 2007

everyone feels that way and gives up.
that's how they get away with it.

mango sentinel posted:

While we're on pedals, some of the weird ones I want to play around with are the EHX Mainframe bitcrusher, Earthquaker Rainbow Machine, Eventide Rose, Way Huge Ringworm, and Dwarfworks Grazer. Are there any other notable pedals, especially under $100, that should be on my radar. Preferably something with at least a little practical application. not Miku

Im curious about making glitchy, dungeon synthy, cosmic sounds.

look up mxr blue box demos

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer
2 years into my guitar journey, I've found having options just kills my momentum. I played for a year through a Boss GT-1 and even after the new wore off, I spent more practice time tone chasing and poking around on the thing than actually practicing. And I always thought I sounded lovely.

I replaced it with a regular practice amp and a good set of headphones and try not to fiddle with the settings more than once a week. I found a few presets that do what I want, simplified the knobs and switches as much as I could, printed out a diagram of what each knob does, and I do my best not to touch anything but the power switch until I've had the instrument in my hands for at least a half hour.

If you think your sound is close but not perfect, spend some time trying to get the sound out of your hands or out of the instrument knobs before you twist any knobs on your amp/setup.

Huxley fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Dec 14, 2020

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo
Right now, if it's not a day where I'm watching a new JustinGuitar lesson, I'm doing like 10-15 minutes of chord shapes and change drills, then like 5-10 minutes of practicing the song I'm trying to learn.

After that is when I'm just fiddling with my amp and tone knobs and making noise until I get bored for the day.

👇👇👇👇 Thank you!

Thumposaurus
Jul 24, 2007

Green Ringer built on veroboard.
http://tagboardeffects.blogspot.com/2010/12/dan-armstrong-green-ringer.html?m=1


From here:
http://beavisaudio.com/projects/looperswitcher/
Note you can build this with a dpdt switch and no led and have it not require power. If you want a fancy led to tell you if it's on or not you need to build it as shown.

Most of the cost in building stuff is in the jacks, switches, pots, and enclosures.
If you want it to look like something you'd buy from a store you use the hammond style aluminum box. If you don't care what it looks like the sky's the limit. I use electrical junction boxes to build stuff into all the time.

Verman
Jul 4, 2005
Third time is a charm right?

Huxley posted:

2 years into my guitar journey, I've found having options just kills my momentum. I played for a year through a Boss GT-1 and even after the new wore off, I spent more practice time tone chasing and poking around on the thing than actually practicing. And I always thought I sounded lovely.

I think a lot of people go through this period where they focus so much on gear/sound/effects that they stop progressing their actual skills, especially beginners. The thing is, whatever the piece of gear, if it encourages you to play more often ... thats never a bad thing, just be conscious of trying not to mask poor playing with effects. You should use amp tones and effects to highlight your playing, not to mask poor playing.

Effects can be a rabbit hole and while some people can make incredible sounds with them, they can bog others down.

That said, I've been playing for 24 years (holy poo poo) and I'm still not great.

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

My routine is usually "play a couple songs I like and want to keep in the repertoire, play some songs I want to learn, run through scales/intervals/key stuff, and then try to write on my own. But I guess it depends on what you want to do.

There's something to be said I think for figuring out what your goals are on guitar and practicing to that end. I wanted to write songs, so for me it's more about having a good command over the instrument theoretically, knowing chords and different voicings and being able to get anywhere I want and stuff like that.

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
you know someone's serious (or broke) when they pare down their poo poo to a couple items

beer gas canister
Oct 30, 2007

shmups are da best come play some shmups they're cheap and good and you like them
Plaster Town Cop
i bought a GT-1 around 6 months back. seems like it'd be the perfect tool for playing in a cover or a pit band. it does everything. i don't love most of the individual sounds tho, and it's hard for me to use since i don't know a lot about the tech it's emulating - some of the parameters seem to be a bit more flexible that what's on the real pedals and amps. i bet it sounds perfectly fine in a band setting, but i haven't had the chance to try it.

it was worth buying though, because i was able to weed through the different distortion pedal emulations and choose the style that i'd like to use regularly. i've largely replaced it in my everyday playing with a Joyo Taichi and and an EHX Memory Boy. gain staging is much easier with the analog pedals, and i think they sound more dynamic (as is in loud-soft) and musical, although it was probably my fault for mishandling the GT1 somehow

beer gas canister fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Dec 15, 2020

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
Honestly, because of the pandemic i've sorta been lazy about playing guitar. Some days I just don't feel like it but some days I do. I've been playing for 20 years and although I used to practice a lot as a teenager, I don't much anymore aside from running through a few scales for warmups. I can still get back up to full capacity after a little bit of a proper warm up so that's nice.

Maybe doing a few songwriting challenges will get me out of my funk. IDK, I can improv and write stuff fine but have not felt like putting much effort into things lately. I did come up with a cool riff using a major triad to a sus4 and then realized I accidentally wrote the verse to The Somberlain but in a major key

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Spanish Manlove posted:

Honestly, because of the pandemic i've sorta been lazy about playing guitar. Some days I just don't feel like it but some days I do. I've been playing for 20 years and although I used to practice a lot as a teenager, I don't much anymore aside from running through a few scales for warmups. I can still get back up to full capacity after a little bit of a proper warm up so that's nice.

Maybe doing a few songwriting challenges will get me out of my funk. IDK, I can improv and write stuff fine but have not felt like putting much effort into things lately. I did come up with a cool riff using a major triad to a sus4 and then realized I accidentally wrote the verse to The Somberlain but in a major key

Pick up a Squier Affinity in a rad color, pick out a new pick guard, pickup set, switch plate, and—if you don’t have them— Dremel/router and soldering supplies

then make an EP about/with your stupid new custom guitar

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
Buying more poo poo doesn't solve anything.

beer gas canister
Oct 30, 2007

shmups are da best come play some shmups they're cheap and good and you like them
Plaster Town Cop

Spanish Manlove posted:

Honestly, because of the pandemic i've sorta been lazy about playing guitar. Some days I just don't feel like it but some days I do. I've been playing for 20 years and although I used to practice a lot as a teenager, I don't much anymore aside from running through a few scales for warmups. I can still get back up to full capacity after a little bit of a proper warm up so that's nice.

Maybe doing a few songwriting challenges will get me out of my funk. IDK, I can improv and write stuff fine but have not felt like putting much effort into things lately. I did come up with a cool riff using a major triad to a sus4 and then realized I accidentally wrote the verse to The Somberlain but in a major key

buy a new book and work through it. i'll buy two or three collections at a time, learn one or two pieces from each, then put them away for later. you get diverse material, and you can choose which to discard on any given day. or buy one book and play everything in it.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
So far the most inspiring thing has been writing d beat and black metal riffs in Emaj. So going out of my comfort zone and trying new keys. Saturday I did mess around with pure locrian riffs and man that poo poo is evil

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

Spanish Manlove posted:

Buying more poo poo doesn't solve anything.

THIS IS HERESY

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Spanish Manlove posted:

Buying more poo poo doesn't solve anything.

*hisses*

Cheese Thief
Oct 30, 2020
You could have one really nice classical guitar and be set for the rest of your life. All my other guitars besides my cordoba just hang on the wall for decoration at this point.

Cheese Thief
Oct 30, 2020
I just pick up and play, very little effort goes into it. Play whatever pops into my head in an inprovised way while enjoy listening to it. Its really easy and takes low cognitive overhead. :humblebrag:
e:if you think books are boring, find someone on youtube and jam with the video. I felt inspired by a Blind Reverand Gary Davis video from the 50s and just jam along, soloing or copying his rhythm. :fun:

Cheese Thief fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Dec 15, 2020

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

Cheese Thief posted:

I just pick up and play, very little effort goes into it. Play whatever pops into my head in an inprovised way while enjoy listening to it. Its really easy and takes low cognitive overhead.

Pretty much what i've been doing lately. This whole covid depression thing sucks

Cheese Thief
Oct 30, 2020

Spanish Manlove posted:

Pretty much what i've been doing lately. This whole covid depression thing sucks

So many things in my life take a great deal of thinking, problem solving, that guitar is I consider a refuge.

Cheese Thief
Oct 30, 2020
There comes a point, you've spent so many years learning to play guitar, why not just enjoy the fruits of your labor. Being able to play at all is a blessing

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

It’s 100% okay and normal to have downtime in your creative/musical life. Don’t let it get to you too much, if you do that then it can become more of a problem. Let yourself experiment and enjoy the aimless time but stay up on having small goals or things you want to work on. Even something as small as “hey I want to try some new picks” can lead to the inspiration that gets you focused again. At the same time if you don’t want to play guitar for a month then don’t. When you come back you’ll be fresh and ready to go.

Really though just don’t beat yourself up if you’re not feeling it, this goes for all of you itt

Krustic
Mar 28, 2010

Everything I say draws controversy. It's kinda like the abortion issue.
A friend who’s a guitar noob asked my to check out their guitar. It’s a Taylor academy. They complained the tuning is wonky and it’s hard to play. I can’t find anything wrong with the tuning, but it is hard to play especially above the 5th fret. There doesn’t seem to be anything I can adjust on it besides the truss rod. So my question is would adjusting the truss rod have any effect on the action/ease of play or does it need to go to a luthier to do something to the bridge to make it play better and easier? I know very little about steel string acoustics but have borrowed some before that were much easier to play. One of them being a similar Taylor gs mini.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Spanish Manlove posted:

Pretty much what i've been doing lately. This whole covid depression thing sucks

maybe try playing/arranging music written for other instruments on guitar? I’m told that it’s a very rewarding thing that has people learning to approach the instrument differently and apply their skills to problemsolving and all that jive

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

Krustic posted:

I know very little about steel string acoustics but have borrowed some before that were much easier to play.

Usually you can scoot the saddle around once you loosen the tension, but gently caress if I know how to properly set the action with one.

landgrabber posted:

There's something to be said I think for figuring out what your goals are on guitar and practicing to that end.

I've been struggling a little with this since I've got really broad tastes in music and no specific guitar idol to chase. I've still got lots of basics to work through for now thankfully.

Making some chill stuff to put up on bandcamp for friends to add to their tabletop BGM is the closest to any long term goal.

mango sentinel fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Dec 15, 2020

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

Ok Comboomer posted:

maybe try playing/arranging music written for other instruments on guitar? I’m told that it’s a very rewarding thing that has people learning to approach the instrument differently and apply their skills to problemsolving and all that jive

I did learn the melody to careless whisper a while ago and it reminded me of some old chord shapes that are basically the tops to bar chords but adding a note or two, so that was fun.

But uh yeah, I just checked and can still just turn my brain off and improv riffs and songs together so it's not really a matter of creativity being affected. Came up with a melody for the C#minor/Emaj song i've been tinkering with and then had some d-beat riffs in F locrian, which is an evil key you guys should mess with. Switch from that to F harmonic minor and oooh buddy you're ready.

But really I think quarantine has finally gotten to me. This poo poo sucks.

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

Spanish Manlove posted:

But really I think quarantine has finally gotten to me. This poo poo sucks.
You seeing anybody for your mental health?

User Error
Aug 31, 2006
My problem, aside from having a baby and no time, is I'll decide to learn a Doc Watson tune or something like that and by the time I really have a chance to poo poo down and work on it I'm more into Electric Wizard or some poo poo.

E: babbys like Doc better

darkwasthenight
Jan 7, 2011

GENE TRAITOR

Krustic posted:

A friend who’s a guitar noob asked my to check out their guitar. It’s a Taylor academy. They complained the tuning is wonky and it’s hard to play. I can’t find anything wrong with the tuning, but it is hard to play especially above the 5th fret. There doesn’t seem to be anything I can adjust on it besides the truss rod. So my question is would adjusting the truss rod have any effect on the action/ease of play or does it need to go to a luthier to do something to the bridge to make it play better and easier? I know very little about steel string acoustics but have borrowed some before that were much easier to play. One of them being a similar Taylor gs mini.

Adjusting the action on an acoustic requires filing the bottom of the bone bridge saddle. You'll need sandpaper and a pencil. Pencil across the bottom of the bridge saddle until the whole thing is covered and then work it on the sandpaper, checking regularly to make sure the pencil is wearing away equally and you aren't focusing more on one side than the other. You'll have to know how much you want to lower the action by and then keep restringing and checking progress throughout.

Err on the side of caution as it's fiddly and irreversible (screwing up will mean buying a new saddle, but luckily they're cheap) so nobody will blame you for taking it to a luthier.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

mango sentinel posted:

You seeing anybody for your mental health?

Yup, which is why I'm pretty sure it's just situational. Gonna take steps to see what I can do.

creamcorn
Oct 26, 2007

automatic gun for fast, continuous firing

Spanish Manlove posted:

Honestly, because of the pandemic i've sorta been lazy about playing guitar. Some days I just don't feel like it but some days I do. I've been playing for 20 years and although I used to practice a lot as a teenager, I don't much anymore aside from running through a few scales for warmups. I can still get back up to full capacity after a little bit of a proper warm up so that's nice.

Maybe doing a few songwriting challenges will get me out of my funk. IDK, I can improv and write stuff fine but have not felt like putting much effort into things lately. I did come up with a cool riff using a major triad to a sus4 and then realized I accidentally wrote the verse to The Somberlain but in a major key

i was pretty much here for a few months and i left my guitars mostly in the case during that time, got really into vcv rack because modular poo poo works a completely different part of the brain. i've actually been having more fun on guitar after coming back from the break; i noticed stuff i do habitually more because i hadn't heard it for a bit, and it's helped me hone and refine my playing. breaks are good, enjoy taking one.

also here's a chord i love for your c minor song: 0 4 6 8 0 0, c#m9 / E maj7 add 13. c# minor is one of the prettiest keys imo, it gets passed over a lot because it's not particularly easy to play on guitar.

creamcorn fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Dec 15, 2020

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mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

Spanish Manlove posted:

Yup, which is why I'm pretty sure it's just situational. Gonna take steps to see what I can do.

Good, I hope you can work through it.

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