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Fangz posted:The etymology of the word tank is Indian, which surprised me when I was researching that.
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That reminds me I got to dig out some of the weird slang used by the British Army in India one of these days. Trin posted a few examples already.
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Aug 18, 2018 14:24
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ph'nglui mglw'nafh nnn'drn ch'nglui'ahog nnnf'hup wgah'nagl fhtagn. In their revetments at the motor pool, dead armor piercers waits dreaming...
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Aug 18, 2018 14:29
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C.M. Kruger posted:It turned out the fancy anti-missile force field (red spotlights) on the T-90 don't work, so doctrine is back to "don't get shot." The Sprut was designed with the intent of having as capable a tank as possible that could still be airdropped, it was built on a VDV requirement. It has no armor because it has to be carried by a plane, not because armor doesn't work. It's really quite similar to the Sheridan in concept even if the execution is substantially different.
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Aug 18, 2018 14:51
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No officer can do very wrong who lays his tank destroyer alongside an enemy.
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Aug 18, 2018 14:54
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Turns out this entire time I've been mixing up tank destroyers with anti-tank rifles.
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Aug 18, 2018 15:22
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Freudian posted:Turns out this entire time I've been mixing up tank destroyers with anti-tank rifles. I mean they do the same job in very different ways. Plus AT rifles are way cuter.
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Aug 18, 2018 15:27
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HEY GUNS posted:Indian and Portugese, which makes sense for the 17th c Hmm I might make a vindaloo for dinner, now
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Aug 18, 2018 15:31
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Freudian posted:Turns out this entire time I've been mixing up tank destroyers with anti-tank rifles. Great, now I've got visions of whole platoons of GIs, all carrying Boys AT rifles pilling into halftracks and rushing to intercept an armored push.
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Aug 18, 2018 15:34
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I'd really like to see a depiction of a Soviet PTRD battalion. The idea of a hundred or so AT rifles just whittling away at every exposed bit of a tank is just wild.
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Aug 18, 2018 15:37
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Fangz posted:I'd really like to see a depiction of a Soviet PTRD battalion. The idea of a hundred or so AT rifles just whittling away at every exposed bit of a tank is just wild. That would be fantastic to see even in a game or movie. Just the image alone would rock.
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Aug 18, 2018 15:41
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13th KRRC War Diary, 18th August 1918 posted:Usual routine of trench life was carried on. That was one whole day that they were in the front line this time. It's almost like there's big things on the verge of happening! (Hurry up and wait.)
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Aug 18, 2018 16:18
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feedmegin posted:Hmm I might make a vindaloo for dinner, now HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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Aug 18, 2018 16:33
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SeanBeansShako posted:That would be fantastic to see even in a game or movie. Just the image alone would rock. Company of Heroes 2 sorta let you do this; they were kinda really strong if I remember correctly because they could snipe infantry just fine.
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Aug 18, 2018 16:37
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EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A SHELL INTO THE BARREL. IT’S WORLD WAR II AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START TAKING THE SHOTS ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, GAY BLACK HITLER. I DO EVERY SHOT AND I DO EVERY SHOT HARD. MAKIN WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME TANKIE BASTARDS OR EVEN WHEN I MESS UP TECHNIQUE. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY FOUGHT THE WORLDS MOST DANGEROUS WAR. I CAN. I SAY IT AND I SAY IT OUTLOUD EVERYDAY TO PEOPLE IN MY COLLEGE CLASS AND ALL THEY DO IS PROVE PEOPLE IN COLLEGE CLASS CAN STILL BE IMMATURE JEKRS. AND IVE LEARNED ALL THE TACTICS AND IVE LEARNED HOW TO MAKE MYSELF AND MY APARTMENT LESS LONELY BY OUTMANEUVERING EM ALL. 2 HOURS INCLUDING WIND DOWN EVERY MORNIng
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Aug 18, 2018 16:43
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SerthVarnee posted:EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A SHELL INTO THE BARREL. IT’S WORLD WAR II AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START TAKING THE SHOTS ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, GAY BLACK HITLER. I DO EVERY SHOT AND I DO EVERY SHOT HARD. MAKIN WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME TANKIE BASTARDS OR EVEN WHEN I MESS UP TECHNIQUE. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY FOUGHT THE WORLDS MOST DANGEROUS WAR. I CAN. I SAY IT AND I SAY IT OUTLOUD EVERYDAY TO PEOPLE IN MY COLLEGE CLASS AND ALL THEY DO IS PROVE PEOPLE IN COLLEGE CLASS CAN STILL BE IMMATURE JEKRS. AND IVE LEARNED ALL THE TACTICS AND IVE LEARNED HOW TO MAKE MYSELF AND MY APARTMENT LESS LONELY BY OUTMANEUVERING EM ALL. 2 HOURS INCLUDING WIND DOWN EVERY MORNIng 
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Aug 18, 2018 17:39
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SeanBeansShako posted:I mean they do the same job in very different ways. If you want a real bazooka there's one for sale: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FP5UAfnohU https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/74/1381/us-army-m9a1-bazooka-destructive-device Getting rockets for it is probably a bitch, though.
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Aug 18, 2018 17:40
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Or if you can't decide and HEAT isn't your thing, how about a compromise between the Bazooka and AT rifles : a recoilless rifle that shoots 20mm armor piercing rounds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHQfQPSlSHg Kafouille fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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Aug 18, 2018 17:51
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Fangz posted:The etymology of the word tank is Indian, which surprised me when I was researching that. Belisarius called them 'Steam Elephants' during the siege of Constantinople so I'm guessing they have more than one word for them
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Aug 18, 2018 18:10
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Comrade Koba posted:The panzer in feldgrau fled across the desert, and the tank destroyer followed. I do not kill with my 76mm. He who kills with his 76mm has forgotten the face of his father. I kill with my tank destroyer.
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Aug 18, 2018 18:12
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HEY GUNS posted:love 2 read different latin words for tank The Russian word for tank is a loanword, but the grammar took a while to set in, so around 1925-ish you see it conjugated in unpredictable and hilarious ways. Language is fun.
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Aug 18, 2018 18:13
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Kafouille posted:Or if you can't decide and HEAT isn't your thing, how about a compromise between the Bazooka and AT rifles : a recoilless rifle that shoots 20mm armor piercing rounds. The backblast on that thing is ridiculous and somewhat dangerous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEuiXEVXhtI
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Aug 18, 2018 18:23
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Every recoilless rifle has dangerous backblast if you stand in the wrong place, but this video is really disingenuous given that they spread wood shavings behind the shooter, gravel doesn't burn. Of course the blast is going to be huge when it's aerosolizing and igniting a bunch of wood dust.
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Aug 18, 2018 18:48
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Kafouille posted:Every recoilless rifle has dangerous backblast if you stand in the wrong place, There are some exceptions, or at least ones that drastically reduce the area of the wrong place. There’s an AT-4 variant that can be fired in confined spaces, because instead of just venting the propellant directly the propellant acts on a countermass of water, so you just get a spray of water out the back. The Armbrust uses a system where the propellant charge is located between two pistons. The forward piston pushes the projectile out the front, the back piston pushes a countermass of shredded plastic out the back, and both pistons lock into place at the end of their travel so the hot propellant gases are trapped entirely (this also has the advantage of making firing the weapon flashless which makes it harder for the people you’re shooting at to locate you). Watching Ian get the details of HEAT presentation very wrong in the video is very sad for me.
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Aug 18, 2018 19:09
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Kafouille posted:Every recoilless rifle has dangerous backblast if you stand in the wrong place, but this video is really disingenuous given that they spread wood shavings behind the shooter, gravel doesn't burn. Of course the blast is going to be huge when it's aerosolizing and igniting a bunch of wood dust. I was wondering how useful it really was to have your position exposed by a huge fireball when you're trying to do AT work
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Aug 18, 2018 19:21
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Even without 'enhancements' the firing signature is still very visible, especially since basically every other recoilless rifle uses a much larger powder charge than the dinky 20mm here. The flash is plenty noticeable but the real problem is you will kick up every single particle of dust and debris in a wide cone pointing right at your position and probably staying in the air more than long enough for someone to notice. But that was already a problem with traditional anti-tank guns, just pointing forward due to the muzzle blast. Crews with some time to prepare a position would try to clean out debris, wet down the ground or even put down tarps to suppress dust and try to stay hidden as long as possible. It was one of the main issues with the ever larger caliber of gun needed to be able to threaten late war tanks, something like the 88mm Pak43 had a tremendously large firing signature and that meant your life expectancy took a sharp dive the very moment you opened up, and since the gun was too heavy to push it would tend to often be a one engagement weapon if you didn't win very quickly. Phanatic posted:Watching Ian get the details of HEAT presentation very wrong in the video is very sad for me. What does he get wrong ? I jumped around a bit and found a bit where he omits quite a bit of important stuff, but he does explain the very basics of the Monroe effect, and that is the main idea of HEAT rounds, the liner is after all optional and not exactly universal during WWII, even if omitting it degrades performance pretty badly. It's not exactly in depth but it's reasonable given that it's really outside of the topic of his channel.
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Aug 18, 2018 19:49
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What are the key differences between an ancient phalanx and a medieval/early modern pike wall?
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Aug 18, 2018 19:53
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Which phalanx do you mean? Macedonian or classical greece?
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Aug 18, 2018 20:16
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Fangz posted:Which phalanx do you mean? Macedonian or classical greece? Either one, I know the Macedonian one used much long spears and had deeper ranks but isn’t the principle that same?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Either one, I know the Macedonian one used much long spears and had deeper ranks but isn’t the principle that same? a battalion embattled is either a perfect square, seven deep, ten deep, or six deep. Sometimes there are elaborate maneuvers they do, like the things Rabhadh talks about for the Spanish or the thing the Swedish do where they "fold out" from six deep to three deep right before their enemies close with them and the musketeers open fire. everyone is pretty far apart from one another. Nobody "pushes" on anyone else, that's a misrepresentation of how pike combat works. What specifically do you want to know?
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Aug 18, 2018 21:23
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What are the key differences between an ancient phalanx and a medieval/early modern pike wall? Shields?
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Aug 18, 2018 21:40
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I mean I thought my question was kind of clear. What’s the difference between the ancient phalanx and a medieval/early modern pike wall?
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Aug 18, 2018 21:41
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The phalanx doesn't have musketeers hiding in it.
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Aug 18, 2018 21:42
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To generalise, the hoplite was the heavily armoured main battle force, the macedonian phalanx was to hold the enemy in place for the cavalry, the early modern pike was to protect the musketeers.
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Aug 18, 2018 21:52
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Kafouille posted:What does he get wrong ? I jumped around a bit and found a bit where he omits quite a bit of important stuff, but he does explain the very basics of the Monroe effect, and that is the main idea of HEAT rounds, the liner is after all optional and not exactly universal during WWII, even if omitting it degrades performance pretty badly. It's not exactly in depth but it's reasonable given that it's really outside of the topic of his channel. One thing that he mixed up is stating that HEAT involves a stream of molten metal that burns or melts through the armour. But while the liner does behave kind of like a fluid due to the extreme forces involved, it does stay solid the whole time through. It also doesn't get hot enough for the temperature to have much of an effect on the armour. It's still all concentrated kinetic energy.
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Aug 18, 2018 22:14
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Fangz posted:the early modern pike was to protect the musketeers.
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Aug 18, 2018 22:32
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Perestroika posted:One thing that he mixed up is stating that HEAT involves a stream of molten metal that burns or melts through the armour. But while the liner does behave kind of like a fluid due to the extreme forces involved, it does stay solid the whole time through. It also doesn't get hot enough for the temperature to have much of an effect on the armour. It's still all concentrated kinetic energy. If give anyone a pass on this because every description of HEAT I’ve ever read has said “steam of molten metal.” Let me be clear that this isn’t a passive aggressive “you’re wrong” post. I’m just saying that you taught me a thing and I’ve looked way ducking more into AT weapons than is probably healthy.
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The Reagan Library is hosting an exhibit on Genghis Khan, so I decided to stop by earlier today. There's quite a contrast between the two. One was a horrible person who ruined many lives, the other conquered most of Asia (sorry, couldn't resist). Anyway, I took some pictures: https://imgur.com/a/ujY8OHG Lots of swords if you're into that kind of thing.
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Aug 18, 2018 22:50
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Perestroika posted:One thing that he mixed up is stating that HEAT involves a stream of molten metal that burns or melts through the armour. But while the liner does behave kind of like a fluid due to the extreme forces involved, it does stay solid the whole time through. It also doesn't get hot enough for the temperature to have much of an effect on the armour. It's still all concentrated kinetic energy. Ah yeah I missed that bit, I skipped trough the video. I think the acronym trips a lot of English speakers up, even if only on an unconscious level.
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