Knyteguy's Finances: More harebrained schemes than a sitcom dad

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Knyteguy: Jul 6, 2005; YES to love
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I'm not making GBS threads on nepotism if you're talking to me II. Everyone's gotta do what they've gotta do to get ahead in life. That business analyst position has some pretty high qualifications, but if she could get that she'd probably be looking at a great raise, and a great career. Her boss spoke with her randomly and my wife's schedule is going to get even more hosed up (it's the most inconsistent work schedule I've ever seen), so the sooner she can snag something, anything, the better.

I'll be doing something new with discretionary next month. It'll be the same amount, but I'll be converting it to cash on the first of the month. I'm going to start paying myself for successful walks to and from work (2.7 miles). Not sure what I'll do with money that I lose if I miss.

# ? Jun 24, 2015 19:04

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# ? May 24, 2024 19:41

Old Fart: Jul 25, 2013

Not to be a Debbie Downer, but that kind of incentive program never works. In no time at all you'll start justifying not walking, because that way you'll put the money that you "lose" into the baby's college fund or something. You'll feel selfish about rewarding yourself. Your budget is a zero-sum game. There's nothing to "win" here.

I mean, good luck and all, but when your incentive is paying yourself from money you already have, it falls apart in a hurry.

# ? Jun 24, 2015 21:19

Knyteguy: Jul 6, 2005; YES to love
NO to shirts; Toilet Rascal

Old Fart posted:

Not to be a Debbie Downer, but that kind of incentive program never works. In no time at all you'll start justifying not walking, because that way you'll put the money that you "lose" into the baby's college fund or something. You'll feel selfish about rewarding yourself. Your budget is a zero-sum game. There's nothing to "win" here.

I mean, good luck and all, but when your incentive is paying yourself from money you already have, it falls apart in a hurry.

Hm well I'll give it a go one month, and if it doesn't work then I'll try come up with another incentive. My wife and I last spring/summer used to walk literally every single day, for at least 2 miles, sometimes going into 10K+ territory after work just to do it. I think a lot of what kept me motivated in the beginning was I had an incentive. We started off just walking to the corner store to grab some reward, which there and back equaled 2 miles. Then eventually the walk itself was the reward so at least for me I stopped needing the incentive. The only reason we stopped was because it was parvo season and we had a puppy so we had to be. Buying her was by far one of our biggest mistakes. Bad with money, bad with health (which turns into bad with money as I'm sure you all know).

I don't mind walking home from work, but I definitely need to come up with a push to do it in the mornings.

# ? Jun 24, 2015 22:10

Knyteguy: Jul 6, 2005; YES to love
NO to shirts; Toilet Rascal

Let me know if the job stuff isn't interesting and I'll stop posting about it.

Today I had an interview with that NodeJS company. They run a pretty modern Javascript stack (Angular etc). They're interested in having me either as a solutions architect (I don't think I'm qualified but who knows), or a UI/Frontend dev. I have to do some test that I'll email in. Kinda dumb it's Angular when I clearly said I've never used Angular during the interview, and I'm supposed to complete it in 30 minutes. :rolleyes:

. The company looks cool beyond that.

Also that job in West Virginia wants me to fill out an application to complete the process. I did tell the recruiter I'd definitely consider it if it was remote work, but who knows if she said anything.

Wife put salary requirements as $60,000-$65,000 on that business analyst position application. It was a mandatory question. Hopefully she didn't price herself out there, but it may have been the right choice.

# ? Jun 25, 2015 23:50

root of all eval: Dec 28, 2002

Was that really you in the tattoo thread?

# ? Jun 26, 2015 02:22

Bugamol: Aug 2, 2006

That seems like a pretty aggressive salary for someone with 0 office experience. Let alone analyst experience. She probably should have gone closer to $40k-$45k (about it what I made entry level). She has an in with family though so maybe it'll work out.

# ? Jun 26, 2015 02:47

SiGmA_X: May 3, 2004; SiGmA_X

Bugamol posted:

That seems like a pretty aggressive salary for someone with 0 office experience. Let alone analyst experience. She probably should have gone closer to $40k-$45k (about it what I made entry level). She has an in with family though so maybe it'll work out.

We start our business analysts at 55k at my company. And my company is very cheap. We also require 2yrs experience/education for that. My girlfriend does office/clerical type work and started at 42k (2k above the 'max') - but it varies strongly by job/location/experience/manager.

Good luck to both of you!

# ? Jun 26, 2015 03:02

Bugamol: Aug 2, 2006

SiGmA_X posted:

We start our business analysts at 55k at my company. And my company is very cheap. We also require 2yrs experience/education for that. My girlfriend does office/clerical type work and started at 42k (2k above the 'max') - but it varies strongly by job/location/experience/manager.

Good luck to both of you!

Hopefully she can get the job, $60k might be low enough that they come back with a counter offer and not just throw her resume out. Without a degree in business, office experience, or even business analytic experience it's a super long shot. The saying is true though "it's not what you know, it's who you know". Good luck!

# ? Jun 26, 2015 03:59

Knyteguy: Jul 6, 2005; YES to love
NO to shirts; Toilet Rascal

BossRighteous posted:

Was that really you in the tattoo thread?

Yep! I'm working on getting back into that sort of condition again.

Thanks for the salary stuff guys my wife has an interview this coming Thursday, so luckily she didn't price herself out. I'm guessing they'll be more comfortable with something lower but who knows. She's been doing a lot of Excel training in her personal time, so that'll help (I wake up this morning and she's telling me about conditionals hah).

Finished that Angular interview. It was a total pain in the rear end, but it came out OK I guess. I had no idea what Angular's best practices were so I kind of winged it. They wanted unit tests for everything, but I had trouble getting Karma working with the project layout I had and I eventually just submitted without the tests. I just let them know that I've done unit tests in C# before, so it's not a foreign concept to me.

I setup a couple filters in the same directory as app.js (ksFilters.js)

JavaScript code:

  angular.module('ksDate', []).filter("ksDate", function () {
    return function (date, format, delimiter) {
      if (!date || !format || !delimiter) return null;
      var formatLowerCase=format.toLowerCase();
      var formatItems=formatLowerCase.split(delimiter);
      var dateItems=date.split(delimiter);
      var monthIndex=formatItems.indexOf("mm");
      var dayIndex=formatItems.indexOf("dd");
      var yearIndex=formatItems.indexOf("yyyy");
      var month=parseInt(dateItems[monthIndex]);
      month-=1;
      return new Date(dateItems[yearIndex],month,dateItems[dayIndex]);
    };
  });

  angular.module('ksString', {}).filter("ksFormatFundData", function() {
    return function (str, isNumber) {
      if (!str) return '--';

      if (isNumber === true) return str.toLocaleString();

      return str;
    };
  });

The date filter is from StackOverflow with a couple modifications.

Then I implemented like this:

HTML code:

<div class="bold-spans" ng-repeat="fund in funds">
    <p><span>Fund Name:</span> {{fund["Fund Name"] | ksFormatFundData:'false'}}</p>
    <p><span>Security:</span> {{fund["security"] | ksFormatFundData:'false'}}</p>
    ...
</div>

The data was read in from a JSON file they created, so that's their capitalization and formatting in those array index pointers (is this the correct term?). The dates were a bitch Javascript wouldn't parse one of them correctly, hence the need for that overly complicated filter. It'd be nice if the JS Date constructor had an option for an input date format, but I couldn't find one. ks was a namespace I was using for some stuff.

I'd say that's the gist of it. I added a little css for the bold-spans. I definitely feel like I could've minimized the repeating paragraphs, but I couldn't figure out how with the time I had. It's all wrapped up in Bootstrap also. Best I could do without Angular or much Javascript experience :confuoot:

. I have no idea if this is all a big coding horror or not.

Knyteguy fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Jun 26, 2015

# ? Jun 26, 2015 16:50

lunate: Oct 13, 2012

Hey Knyteguy, you might be interested in this: https://weworkremotely.com/jobs/1677

(I don't know anything about programming but there's been talk of Node.js.)

# ? Jun 28, 2015 15:49

root of all eval: Dec 28, 2002

I just die a little each time I see job postings that say poo poo like "ninja", "guru" and "epic" in regards to one's professional skills.

# ? Jun 29, 2015 00:58

Knyteguy: Jul 6, 2005; YES to love
NO to shirts; Toilet Rascal

lunate posted:

Hey Knyteguy, you might be interested in this: https://weworkremotely.com/jobs/1677

(I don't know anything about programming but there's been talk of Node.js.)

Hey thanks for the heads up. I'll give it a go.

BossRighteous posted:

I just die a little each time I see job postings that say poo poo like "ninja", "guru" and "epic" in regards to one's professional skills.

Ninja especially absolutely kills me...

The NodeJS job I mentioned earlier (interview on Thursday her ein town) wants me to come in for a second interview for that solutions architect position. I still feel way underqualified there, but they like my diverse language exposure. I could see this being a career path say... 5-10 years down the road, but jeez I've only made software my craft for about 3 years now. I'll do my best; I don't feel a lot of pressure to move. It's a big team interview. Luckily all of my recent and encouraged interview practice has made me much more comfortable with these things.

Big budget coming up. July will have (holy poo poo) the first debt repayment stuff scheduled. Maybe August actually I'm not sure. I'll get the budget posted before the end of the month as agreed. It's taken so much to get here, so I'm absolutely stoked to get started. It would've been way easier to just put extra money towards debt all this time, rather than saving, but the skills we've learned and will continue to learn during this process will help us beyond that.

# ? Jun 29, 2015 01:28

KYOON GRIFFEY JR: Apr 12, 2010; Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

I have a friend who refers to himself as a Shaman to mock that stupid poo poo. Joke will be on him when he encounters another, non-ironic Shaman.

# ? Jun 29, 2015 20:16

MrEnigma: Aug 30, 2004; Moo!

I used to hate it, but I've found it's a good way to avoid certain jobs.

To me it's a sign for, we know we are supposed to appreciate and talk up our developers, but have no clue how to do that. We have a GAME ROOM! AND SNACKS!

# ? Jun 29, 2015 20:28

Knyteguy: Jul 6, 2005; YES to love
NO to shirts; Toilet Rascal

MrEnigma posted:

I used to hate it, but I've found it's a good way to avoid certain jobs.

To me it's a sign for, we know we are supposed to appreciate and talk up our developers, but have no clue how to do that. We have a GAME ROOM! AND SNACKS!

One place I found had whiskey Fridays, another had a Kegerator. :drunk: I've tried the whole sipping whiskey and bourbon and holy gently caress I'm not that kind of guy. Even if I can taste the "Vanilla accents with an aged cask aftertaste" it's just too rough due to the alcohol.

I'd just be happy with coffee I don't have to make (like now) and maybe some company provided beverages.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

I have a friend who refers to himself as a Shaman to mock that stupid poo poo. Joke will be on him when he encounters another, non-ironic Shaman.

Haha. I've noted it's generally JS jobs that do this, too. It doesn't help when some good books are titled like this either: http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-JavaScript-Ninja-John-Resig/dp/193398869X (I have this it's actually pretty good if above my level).

# ? Jun 29, 2015 21:17

Knyteguy: Jul 6, 2005; YES to love
NO to shirts; Toilet Rascal

July

Same as last month (and April), but with a little bit less savings (Was $1,080). My wife made less in June so we have less total overall to allocate (since we budget only the money made in the previous month).

August expect the budget to change for a quarterly update. We need to baby proof the house (he's 4.5 months Thursday, so in August he'll be turning 6 months which is crawling age), and I have a business thing I want to get started on (small dollars to start). I'll also post more about how I was planning to start debt repayment when we actually have the money for it (which will be in July).

I'll post June's actual soon.

# ? Jun 30, 2015 17:23

Colin Mockery: Jun 24, 2007; Rawr

Beepboop, where's your June actual? I notice this thread has slowed down a bit, which hopefully is a good thing. :o

# ? Jul 7, 2015 01:00

Knyteguy: Jul 6, 2005; YES to love
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Horking Delight posted:

Beepboop, where's your June actual? I notice this thread has slowed down a bit, which hopefully is a good thing. :o

Yep it's slowed down for sure. June will be coming soon; I'm just waiting on one more thing to finalize before everything is done.

July is going very well so far. We've been eating at home every day, etc. I think the initial car paydown will be about $1,000 but I'm not entirely sure on that yet (since we'll be kind of ruining the month ahead concept as there's no point in waiting on an extra debt payment when we're far more than a month ahead). It just depends on what my wife gets paid this month.

We're going to take a vacation in August around my birthday (but not for my birthday).

I'm also going to restart (actually expand since I've been running one for 5 years) a hosting business of some sort. Not sure of the time frame here yet, but I'd say 2-6 months or so to finally get started. It shouldn't affect the budget much.

Wife interviewed for that office job. $60,000 isn't going to happen, but one of the ladies there really wants to get her in that position, or at least within the company. It depends on how two more interviewees pan out, but they did really like her resume. She's doing really well applying for other jobs beyond that, so hopefully we'll see something from that soon.

'Bout it.

# ? Jul 7, 2015 04:56

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Knyteguy posted:

Yep it's slowed down for sure. June will be coming soon; I'm just waiting on one more thing to finalize before everything is done.

July is going very well so far. We've been eating at home every day, etc. I think the initial car paydown will be about $1,000 but I'm not entirely sure on that yet (since we'll be kind of ruining the month ahead concept as there's no point in waiting on an extra debt payment when we're far more than a month ahead). It just depends on what my wife gets paid this month.

We're going to take a vacation in August around my birthday (but not for my birthday).

I'm also going to restart (actually expand since I've been running one for 5 years) a hosting business of some sort. Not sure of the time frame here yet, but I'd say 2-6 months or so to finally get started. It shouldn't affect the budget much.

Wife interviewed for that office job. $60,000 isn't going to happen, but one of the ladies there really wants to get her in that position, or at least within the company. It depends on how two more interviewees pan out, but they did really like her resume. She's doing really well applying for other jobs beyond that, so hopefully we'll see something from that soon.

'Bout it.

I'm a little confused, it's July 6th and you're already working a month ahead on funds as you say. What are you waiting on from June that wasn't already accounted for?

# ? Jul 7, 2015 05:47

SiGmA_X: May 3, 2004; SiGmA_X

IllegallySober posted:

I'm a little confused, it's July 6th and you're already working a month ahead on funds as you say. What are you waiting on from June that wasn't already accounted for?

Yes, I'm confused too. My June amounts were finalized on the 30th, as was my July budget... Sometimes I wait till the first weekend, but not when work and personal life are going to be ridiculously busy (quarter close + Fourth of July).

# ? Jul 7, 2015 06:56

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# ? Jul 7, 2015 08:18

foxatee: Feb 27, 2010; That foxatee is always making a Piggles out of herself.

I assume you've saved up for the vacation. Planned ahead and all that.

I'm also confused on what you're waiting on. You should know what you've spent because you've been tracking it. It can't be money coming in because wouldn't that just go toward the July budget? I mean, it's not like you spent money you didn't already have.

# ? Jul 7, 2015 17:25

Knyteguy: Jul 6, 2005; YES to love
NO to shirts; Toilet Rascal

I'm just being lazy mostly and I'm also waiting for an erroneous charge to be adjusted that is part of June's budget. I do have (within) 2 weeks after the first of the month per the rules.

Bunch of hard credit checks just fell off.

You can see when and what cars we were considering buying right after I got my new job (before the thread). Other notable dealerships included BMW and Audi. :smithicide:

.

foxatee we're adding it as a line item. We're getting an unexpected chance at free child care plus a weekend we actually have off together, and we're taking it. We'll be making a budget, but I'm not sure how much it'll be yet. It'll just be a small road trip, so it won't cost a whole lot. Might even just go to Tahoe or Truckee and just walk around and eat at a cool restaurant or two, and maybe see a show. I'll share it with August's budget. Prob a couple $100, especially if we go to Tahoe and stay at a casino (cheap rooms usually). Just in advance I won't be compromising on whether we take this trip.

Couple more job things I could go into, but I'm not going to. I'll post if anything important happens with anything on my side.

# ? Jul 7, 2015 22:16

foxatee: Feb 27, 2010; That foxatee is always making a Piggles out of herself.

So long as it's not a "we didn't actually save for it, but we're going to make it work" thing, I don't care. Like if you took it out of your discretionary for the next couple of months, I'd see that as okay so long as you don't forget you have no discretionary to spend in the upcoming month or so.

I'm not gonna knock you for taking a break together. The hubs and I took a mini vacation sometime after our daughter was born and all we did was sleep. Glorious, glorious uninterrupted sleep.

# ? Jul 7, 2015 22:27

Knyteguy: Jul 6, 2005; YES to love
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Hey actually!

quote:

[COMPANY] would like to offer you the position for the AX Developer role.

I�d like to discuss the offer with you over the phone.

What number should I call you at tonight?

Woo hoo! Finally getting an offer instead of more interview requests feels great even if I don't take the drat thing.

e: and by actually I mean I just got that e-mail while I was posting the post before this one.

Knyteguy fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Jul 7, 2015

# ? Jul 7, 2015 22:27

Knyteguy: Jul 6, 2005; YES to love
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foxatee posted:

So long as it's not a "we didn't actually save for it, but we're going to make it work" thing, I don't care. Like if you took it out of your discretionary for the next couple of months, I'd see that as okay so long as you don't forget you have no discretionary to spend in the upcoming month or so.

I'm not gonna knock you for taking a break together. The hubs and I took a mini vacation sometime after our daughter was born and all we did was sleep. Glorious, glorious uninterrupted sleep.

Didn't see this when I posted.

Yes I'll definitely consider taking it from discretionary. I was actually thinking we could take $X from flexible spending every month for an actual vacation fund, because I feel we actually could use that. I'd really like to road trip down to the Grand Canyon for example. I think we could pull something like that off once or twice a year if we just sacrifice a little in our other spending.

# ? Jul 7, 2015 22:41

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Congrats on the offer, KG- just make sure to actually determine it's worth it before you pull the trigger.

# ? Jul 7, 2015 23:36

Colin Mockery: Jun 24, 2007; Rawr

Remember: "I have to discuss it with my wife" if you start feeling pressure from them to make a decision immediately.

# ? Jul 7, 2015 23:40

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Horking Delight posted:

Remember: "I have to discuss it with my wife" if you start feeling pressure from them to make a decision immediately.

Firstly, if there's pressure to accept it on that spot that's a BIG red flag to me. Secondly, it doesn't really matter if it's your wife or your life partner or your goldfish, or if you just want to consider your career trajectory, there are factors to consider. When you say "yes" (edit: or "no") you have to mean it and have no doubt that you're going to follow through. Just ask for 24 hours to think about it or whatever time frame you feel is appropriate. No need to make excuses.

# ? Jul 8, 2015 00:48

Knyteguy: Jul 6, 2005; YES to love
NO to shirts; Toilet Rascal

^ thanks guys will do.

I just got the offer this morning (verbal/via email). $72,496 + 6% Yearly Bonus + $10,000 Sign on Bonus. So $76,845/yr, plus better insurance than we have now and a 401k. Currently making a hair above $62,000. So over a 20% increase.

It's that West Virginia job I've been talking about. Unsure if it's remote or not yet. I'm thinking that I'll try to leverage this into a raise at work instead. Should I go through a couple more steps to try to secure a written offer to do that (involves a call with HR), or should this be enough? I'm not going to say it's out of state unless it's asked is what I'm thinking if I negotiate this with my boss. Definitely open to tips here. Should I bring this up to my boss before declining just in case?

e: lower cost of living there, too.

82 vs 94 using a cost of living index thing.

Knyteguy fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Jul 8, 2015

# ? Jul 8, 2015 17:31

Bugamol: Aug 2, 2006

Personal Advice? Don't leverage an offer into a raise. It's an "all in" move.

Best case scenario you get a raise and set the precedent that every time you want a raise you need to go get a competitive offer first.

Worst case scenario is he calls your bluff and you're forced to take the job or give up any and all power you have at your current job.

Either man up and have a serious talk about a raise based on merit or find a new job and leave.

Others may disagree.

EDIT: Is the bonus guaranteed? Is it a cash bonus or 401k bonus? Either way it's a pay decrease for your family even ignoring all the potential moving costs.

# ? Jul 8, 2015 17:48

Knyteguy: Jul 6, 2005; YES to love
NO to shirts; Toilet Rascal

Bugamol posted:

Personal Advice? Don't leverage an offer into a raise. It's an "all in" move.

Best case scenario you get a raise and set the precedent that every time you want a raise you need to go get a competitive offer first.

Worst case scenario is he calls your bluff and you're forced to take the job or give up any and all power you have at your current job.

Either man up and have a serious talk about a raise based on merit or find a new job and leave.

Others may disagree.

EDIT: Is the bonus guaranteed? Is it a cash bonus or 401k bonus? Either way it's a pay decrease for your family even ignoring all the potential moving costs.

Well just to add in one more thing here - the precedent is already set by other guys in IT at the larger company, and my boss has basically told me to come to him with such a thing if I get one and they'll try to deal. I'd likely not have pursued so far in those far out places otherwise.

e: guaranteed cash from what I gathered in earlier conversations.

# ? Jul 8, 2015 17:51

SolTerrasa: Sep 2, 2011

Knyteguy posted:

Should I bring this up to my boss before declining just in case?

Common wisdom says only do that if
a) you're going to move on regardless
b) you're just looking to improve your situation until you get a great offer elsewhere
c) you have a good relationship with your boss and trust him/her not to gently caress with you.

Reasoning goes that once a place knows you're looking, they won't keep you around for much longer. If your boss knows that those days off for personal time are really for interviews, he/she might be less accommodating. If your company knows they have to replace you sooner or later, they can hire a junior employee, have you train them, then give you the boot sooner instead of later.

Basically, it's a risk.

# ? Jul 8, 2015 17:53

Bugamol: Aug 2, 2006

I personally would not want to work for a company where my worth was based on what offers I could get at other companies. That's a horrible way to manage someone's pay. Just get a new job locally or via remote work like everyone has been saying for 50 pages.

That offer isn't nearly enticing enough for you to leave your job in my mind. Unless it's remote and you can keep your status quo living situation.

# ? Jul 8, 2015 17:54

KYOON GRIFFEY JR: Apr 12, 2010; Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

I like how you counted the bonus as a guaranteed payment.

# ? Jul 8, 2015 18:13

Hawkperson: Jun 20, 2003

Knyteguy posted:

e: guaranteed cash from what I gathered in earlier conversations.

:/ This sounds like old thought patterns to me. You didn't get a no so you assume the best, but it sounds like you didn't ask them directly either. And they want you to accept their offer, so of course they're going to try to make it sound as appealing as possible without lying.

I think I would tell the new company that you are on the fence - it's not quite enough money to up and move across the country without giving it a lot of thought first. Maybe they''ll offer you more. And YES, get it all in writing before talking about it to anyone. (!!! That is another red flag to me - that you are thinking of progressing with anything, whether it's accepting the job or negotiating in your current job, without getting the offer in writing.) Tell them you need it in writing so you can have a conversation about it with your wife.

# ? Jul 8, 2015 18:30

Knyteguy: Jul 6, 2005; YES to love
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Hawkgirl posted:

:/ This sounds like old thought patterns to me. You didn't get a no so you assume the best, but it sounds like you didn't ask them directly either. And they want you to accept their offer, so of course they're going to try to make it sound as appealing as possible without lying.

I think I would tell the new company that you are on the fence - it's not quite enough money to up and move across the country without giving it a lot of thought first. Maybe they''ll offer you more. And YES, get it all in writing before talking about it to anyone. (!!! That is another red flag to me - that you are thinking of progressing with anything, whether it's accepting the job or negotiating in your current job, without getting the offer in writing.) Tell them you need it in writing so you can have a conversation about it with your wife.

They want me to have a long phone chat with HR to explain benefits and do a Q&A before the written offer, so I didn't want to waste my time or theirs if I could simply proceed without that session. If I do proceed with this session then I will bring up your point.

I'm taking in everyone's posts in consideration. I do understand a negotiation is potentially a risk, however one of the reasons I've been wanting to get my finances in order is to try to allow me to explore risks like these. That doesn't mean I will explore a negotiation however, as I'm simply mulling it all over.

Thank you for the input.

# ? Jul 8, 2015 19:53

Droo: Jun 25, 2003

I don't understand - you aren't sure if you can take the job without relocating to WV, but you are considering blowing off a detailed conversation about the job with HR because you think it's a waste of time?

# ? Jul 8, 2015 21:31

Knyteguy: Jul 6, 2005; YES to love
NO to shirts; Toilet Rascal

Droo posted:

I don't understand - you aren't sure if you can take the job without relocating to WV, but you are considering blowing off a detailed conversation about the job with HR because you think it's a waste of time?

Well even if it is 100% remote work I'd still rather stay where I'm at. It's comfortable, I have a routine and my own office, etc. I just want to continue to work here and get paid more, basically (for now), as the work I'd be doing there is kind of boring.

But no I'm no longer considering blowing it off. I'm scheduled for a phone call tomorrow morning which should lead to the written offer and clarifications.

# ? Jul 8, 2015 21:37

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# ? May 24, 2024 19:41

Rudager: Apr 29, 2008

Knyteguy posted:

Well even if it is 100% remote work I'd still rather stay where I'm at. It's comfortable, I have a routine and my own office, etc. I just want to continue to work here and get paid more, basically (for now), as the work I'd be doing there is kind of boring.

So what's all this job searching about then?

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