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Doomsayer posted:Yeah, although there's a mod that makes it consistent to "blue = single action", "yellow = turn-ending". I don't know if it's that mod where "green = free action" (like hitting an objective or clearing Dazed) or if it's like that in the base game. I hesitate to describe any mod for any game as 'essential' but I really can't imagine playing XCOM 2 without Cost-Based Ability Colors. There are still some tiny edge cases where it isn't 100% consistent (e.g. planting X4 charges) but generally you are right it is green for free, blue for one action, yellow for one action that ends the turn and brown for two actions that end the turn (only snipers get this I think). It's helpful all through the game but doubly so once your troops start getting abilities like Salvo and Quickdraw that let them continue acting after doing something that would previously have ended their turn. I agree with the sentiment that the Chosen Assassin is a pain in the rear end and the default story Chosen Assassin with shadowstep is a double pain in the rear end. On my recent max difficulty runs I am always crossing my fingers for the Hunter on my first retaliation mission, he has the most annoying dialogue but is by far the least threatening and least dangerous of the three. The Warlock is usually pretty manageable but he does have a couple of annoying abilities that shield him until you clear out his summons, and his dialogue is almost as irritating as the Hunter's.
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The Hunter is the best across the board. The Assassin is a whiner complaining about honor and invalidating overwatch, and the Warlock never shuts up ever
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Mar 1, 2020 19:35
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what else would you expect from a katana user
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Mar 1, 2020 19:51
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Just go play. Running into a new enemy for the first time and being unsure of its capabilities is part of the fun. Don't preemptively optimize the fun out of XCOM.
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So I got my hands on a Reaper and drat, this class is super fun. Edit: So I have not touched the campaign yet, the Legacy Operation missions are my preparations for it. I gotta say, they are a blast. The "Avenger Assemble" scenario is so amazingly enjoyable. I like how am I getting a feel for all of the classes and their different specs. Mesadoram fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Mar 1, 2020 |
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Mar 1, 2020 20:17
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Reapers own but I think Skirmishers might be my favorite just for the sheer variety of options they get. The ability to actually mix up the standard move/shoot/item actions is a lot more powerful than I first gave it credit for.
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That reminds me, you don't get a story Templar like the other factions. I wonder why? Too goofy?
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Mar 1, 2020 21:31
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"I did... NOTHING!" is still my favorite line in the game
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Mar 1, 2020 21:34
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Doctor Reynolds posted:That reminds me, you don't get a story Templar like the other factions. I wonder why? Too goofy? the funny thing about that to me is that i find its actually pretty hard to level a babby templar once you've got a bunch of mutons running around but the reaper and skirmisher are pretty easy to integrate from the jump
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Mar 1, 2020 22:01
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Templars go on covert ops until they’re an LT, at least
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Doctor Reynolds posted:That reminds me, you don't get a story Templar like the other factions. I wonder why? Too goofy? It's gotta be a time and budget thing, like the robot faction and explosives Chosen.
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rabidsquid posted:the funny thing about that to me is that i find its actually pretty hard to level a babby templar once you've got a bunch of mutons running around but the reaper and skirmisher are pretty easy to integrate from the jump If you get a templar on gatecrasher (by disabling the Lost and Abandoned mission) they whip rear end from the get go and never stop being useful.
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Had the Hunter trigger blade master immediately after being struck by melee for some reason. Unfortunately for him he was brittle, I had a full sword build and was armed with the katana. 30 damage in one move, rip.
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I feel like templars only need one upgrade to be incredibly useful, if you stand out in the open and parry the enemy seems like it will always shoot you, so being able to always be able to leave one alien alive if you have to and take no damage is incredibly strong even if they barely do any damage I'm doing pretty well in my legend run but I was lucky enough to pull Infiltration I think is the name as my first reaper favor, where you don't start mission timers until you break concealment, which has to be one of the best ones in the game, so that's made it way easier I also got tactical analysis as a continent bonus so I mean it's hard to imagine getting luckier with perk rolls Stefan Prodan fucked around with this message at 06:49 on Mar 2, 2020 |
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Mar 2, 2020 06:47
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Bug Squash posted:Had the Hunter trigger blade master immediately after being struck by melee for some reason. Unfortunately for him he was brittle, I had a full sword build and was armed with the katana. 30 damage in one move, rip. They might have had the 'free move' after taking damage strength Which obviously was not a strength this time 
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My favorite was one-shotting the assassin with a similar setup. She was weak to explosions and Reapers, and decided to hide next to a pile of explosive...something. 1 remote-started claymore later, the little pieces that were left of her teleported back off the map 
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RBA Starblade posted:"I did... NOTHING!" is still my favorite line in the game I am encouraged 
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Icon Of Sin posted:1 remote-started claymore Is this an actual thing you can do, or do you just mean you tossed the Claymore by the other explosives and Remote Started those?
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Hwurmp posted:Is this an actual thing you can do, or do you just mean you tossed the Claymore by the other explosives and Remote Started those? You can't remote start a claymore, sadly. That would be incredible. Edit: I think you can sting a claymore though Assassin seems to love hiding behind explosives though, so it's probably the second. Default assassin is weak to reapers and explosives so I think it's very much the intended way to take care of them.
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Tossed it next to whatever the explosive thing was, and it went off with the remote-started explosive. The 2 kabooms plus weakness: Reapers finished her off in a single shot  e: explosives are the solution to cover, Chosen or not. 6 heavies on the map is a level of ridiculous that none of the others can aspire to 
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Bug Squash posted:You can't remote start a claymore, sadly. That would be incredible. You shouldn't have to sting claymores, shooting a claymore doesn't reveal the reaper.
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So I don't know if anybody still plays X-Com Enemy Within, but this is the second game I've started where I have yet to get a second assault class by the third month. gently caress.
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Sometimes I forget that cost based ability colors is a mod because it's just so essential to the game.
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I know I am only playing WOTC on the default difficulty and I am still at the start of the game, but I feel like I am dunking on these battles so far.
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Fruits of the sea posted:So I don't know if anybody still plays X-Com Enemy Within, but this is the second game I've started where I have yet to get a second assault class by the third month. gently caress. The game wants you to level every map with rockets. Or to build an army of punch robots.
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Fruits of the sea posted:So I don't know if anybody still plays X-Com Enemy Within, but this is the second game I've started where I have yet to get a second assault class by the third month. gently caress. This is why I am glad you can train solders up in specific classes in the second game.
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FoolyCharged posted:The game wants you to level every map with rockets. Or to build an army of punch robots. Yeah I was all in on rockets on my first try, but it was a problem mid-game when I needed a bunch of UFO parts and realized I blew them all up. Not to mention that it's a pain the rear end capturing aliens without lightning reflexes. It's a really nicely designed risk vs reward system, unfortunately the rng has decided that I should just blow everything to poo poo. Hilariously, my one assault trooper also has close quarter combat, which is an amazing skill, but they keep disintegrating aliens they were supposed to capture 
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Central being sick of the arc thrower is why we get it as the Skulljack in 2. 
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Kind of wish the legacy missions had a baby mode where you could turn off Ironman in exchange for tanking your score or something.
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Hwurmp posted:Kind of wish the legacy missions had a baby mode where you could turn off Ironman in exchange for tanking your score or something. You can restart a mission in exchange for a 5000 pt penalty.
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Kaal posted:You can restart a mission in exchange for a 5000 pt penalty. For the record: This still exists on the first map of each set for some reason and your score can go negative.
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Anyone test if the score variable can underflow?
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Kaal posted:You can restart a mission in exchange for a 5000 pt penalty. Yeah, but sometimes I'd like to be able to just rewind to right before the bad activation that killed everyone.
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also if you dont know if you dont want to play the missions for the unlocks theres a mod that just unlocks them for you and they're just unlocked forever after you run it once
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man so I never used mind shields before playing on commander but I was watching a dude do a playthrough of them on legend and these are actually insane against the chosen? they also let you just put anyone you want into battle whether they're tired or not since it cancels out any effects from being tired, like going panicked or berserk or whatever like just having the ability to make the chosen essentially waste an entire turn throwing a stun grenade or something seems really good, also you don't have to waste turns where your dudes are recovering from being dazed because they can never be dazed in the first place
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Stefan Prodan posted:man so I never used mind shields before playing on commander but I was watching a dude do a playthrough of them on legend and these are actually insane against the chosen? Totally, I think my past few playthroughs mind shields have been the first item I've made. 5 of em, pop pop pop. I think units will still get shaken from losing will though? Then aren't deployable? Honestly haven't tried that aspect
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Yes that's still true
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Stefan Prodan posted:man so I never used mind shields before playing on commander but I was watching a dude do a playthrough of them on legend and these are actually insane against the chosen? Mind shields are ridiculously good and once I get to predator armor 4/6 or 5/6 of my guys will be having them in the second item slot. Having one on whoever is carrying the medkit is a non-negotiable must. It blocks the "dazed" effect, any mind control or induced panic, and I think it even stops the fatigued phobias from triggering too. Also keeps your guy standing and active when a spectre clones them. Maybe I rely on them so much because I typically don't get a psionic soldier till much, much later (personal preference, just think they're super OP when you rush them) so I don't have access to the cleansing aura that would help deal with some of the same maluses.
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rideANDxORdie posted:Mind shields are ridiculously good and once I get to predator armor 4/6 or 5/6 of my guys will be having them in the second item slot. Having one on whoever is carrying the medkit is a non-negotiable must. It blocks the "dazed" effect, any mind control or induced panic, and I think it even stops the fatigued phobias from triggering too. Also keeps your guy standing and active when a spectre clones them. Maybe I rely on them so much because I typically don't get a psionic soldier till much, much later (personal preference, just think they're super OP when you rush them) so I don't have access to the cleansing aura that would help deal with some of the same maluses. I pop them on my psychics until they have Solace just because they're so incredibly dangerous if they get mind-controlled. Ask me about the time my own Psi Op wiped out four of her friends with a single null lance 
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Unless they've changed it, solace doesn't actually protect the psitrooper themsevles and/or people IN it, it only checks when the aura passes over them in a certain direction. Which was an unpleasant discovery. edit: actually yea, it was on my Vanilla 'Why Needs Tygan' run where I had 6 maxed magi and I kept needing to shuffle them about to cancel various effects. edit2: much like Blademaster, its entirely possible there's an undocumented rework in the transition to WotC that buffed it. Blademaster used to be so much less auto-win that it is now, but I'm not complaining! Serephina fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Mar 4, 2020 |
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