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CatstropheWaitress posted:It's still weird they didn't just say "all these cards are preemptively banned in Legacy/Vintage" from the get go. Or use the supplementary products like that 'Unsanctioned' board game box set to publish explicit silver-border-that-actually-work cards with acorns. someone at hasbro probably said early in development "broaden its appeal or we kill it," and making everything legal that could work in the rules was wotc's solution. its appeal to commander players was apparently at the forefront of their minds and they wrote off legacy and vintage by just underpowering everything. and again they probably severely underestimated the amount of effort out would take to implement on modo a lot of this is speculation but I think it's reasonable given what the ban article says and how wotc product design has positioned itself in the last five years
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Its really easy to just say "its all banned" and move on. Its actually really loving lazy too. You can errata sticker goblin to the MTGO version and everyone wins. You can ban cards in legacy and not commander just as you can ban cards in commander but not legacy. The decisions taken seem like they were less time intensive than the time took to write the article. Their product releases have more complexity in "what is legal for which format" than the problems this ban announcement was trying to solve for. ilmucche posted:Just caught the ban list update. Eh, not going to miss stickers/attractions but they weren't the worst thing in the world. If they print name sticker in a future set then whatever.  I am getting really annoyed when they take the "we don't have a choice" line when they absolutely do.
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Yeah they could just print name sticker goblin as it exists on mtgo. There are already cards that roll d20 in paper aren't there? What are the percentages like of mind goblin v name sticker? I've seen mind goblin I think three times in paper
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May 14, 2024 15:17
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Fajita Queen posted:All of the complaints about stickers and attractions basically just boil down to a big ol' "skill issue". Now we've lost a bunch of interesting stuff because so-called pro players can't handle having a few extra cards in their deck boxes. I find the scope increase of needing to bring a bunch of outside game pieces besides a literal deck of cards to be annoying, not solely the unset stuff. For me, it was just a piece of the small annoyance at that. I’m glad to see it gone, but I would like for them to be more mindful about it in general. I am sorry to the people who like it though. It stinks when things you like are banned. In general I don’t find any of this to be that serious and it is funny watching the hot takes pour in
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kalel posted:someone at hasbro probably said early in development "broaden its appeal or we kill it," and making everything legal that could work in the rules was wotc's solution. its appeal to commander players was apparently at the forefront of their minds and they wrote off legacy and vintage by just underpowering everything. and again they probably severely underestimated the amount of effort out would take to implement on modo i think maro has been pretty open that he pushed hard for it, just because the un-cards are his baby and he wanted more people to be able to play with them, and it happened late enough in the process it seems not enough thought went into it. he was moping on his blog about it (but yeah, he was aiming at commander and not legacy, but they don't control the commander ruleset so they cannot say 'its legal in commander but not legacy')
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Man they are REALLY trying to push energy for MH3 huh? edit: notably this is a "may" so you can't force your opponent to discard their hand while you have narset or bowmasters or something out Weird Pumpkin fucked around with this message at 15:24 on May 14, 2024 |
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Time posted:I find the scope increase of needing to bring a bunch of outside game pieces besides a literal deck of cards to be annoying, not solely the unset stuff. For me, it was just a piece of the small annoyance at that. I’m glad to see it gone, but I would like for them to be more mindful about it in general. I am sorry to the people who like it though. It stinks when things you like are banned. Alpha had tokens and counters. Its never been just a deck. The key here seems to be that you had to have a deck for mechanics you don’t even use, just in case.
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May 14, 2024 15:31
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Aphrodite posted:Alpha had tokens and counters. Its never been just a deck. dungeons, stickers, etc mark a large expansion in needing to bring a bunch of stuff that I said I would prefer them to be more mindful about - thats all. im not asking for sweeping changes and i like that they are trying new things
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May 14, 2024 15:39
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They should call the next joke set Unplayable but nothing is acorn stamped
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May 14, 2024 15:47
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They do need a true format with no bans. Just every Magic card allowed, plus other games' cards too if you're not a coward.
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May 14, 2024 15:50
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Khanstant posted:They do need a true format with no bans. Just every Magic card allowed, plus other games' cards too if you're not a coward. This format already exists, you can play it right now
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I don't have any better suggestions, but I really dislike the formatting of "X {E}"
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mossyfisk posted:I don't have any better suggestions, but I really dislike the formatting of "X {E}" Same, I read it as the normal colorless X plus one energy on first pass
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ilmucche posted:Yeah they could just print name sticker goblin as it exists on mtgo. There are already cards that roll d20 in paper aren't there? the dice rolls on name sticker goblin reflect the probabilities of the optimal set of sticker sheets, so 30% for 4 mana, 40% for 5 mana, and 30% for 6 mana
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Aphrodite posted:Alpha had tokens and counters. Its never been just a deck. Some guy on the MTGLegacy subreddit had a good post about it (I'll see if I can dig it up). He runs a deck that run MD Phyrexian Metamorph, and he also runs relatively expensive cards that he would love to be able to ritual in. NSG was popular enough in paper that it put him in a position where he had to present a Sticker deck even though he wasn't running any sticker cards, just in case he wanted to clone one. Normally, if someone did that, you'd just call a judge and get them penalized for slow play, but in this case he had a legitimate case for presenting them. In EDH it's an even bigger problem because almost every tournament deck is running a ton of ways to clone or cast another player's NSG, so you had games where all four players would present sticker decks at the beginning, but there were no copies of any sticker cards in the 400 that were being played in the pod. It's funny that right now EDH is the only format where NSG is legal (for now). I bet sometime in the next two years we get a 3 cmc Goblin that Rituals in a Commander deck as a make good. Time posted:dungeons, stickers, etc mark a large expansion in needing to bring a bunch of stuff that I said I would prefer them to be more mindful about - thats all. im not asking for sweeping changes and i like that they are trying new things Yeah, 100%. I like that they take big swings and are okay with banning a bunch of stuff when it blows up. fadam fucked around with this message at 16:54 on May 14, 2024 |
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Man, I really just exist in my own little Magic backwater, I've never even seen or heard of these sticker cards.
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Sickening posted:Imagine spending 3k on your legacy deck only for it to be unplayable. I proxied the city of traitors , but a non-trivial amount of paper players just flipped the table. it always sucks extremely to have your deck blown up but the resticted part of the sol land manabase isn't losing its value/playability in Legacy anytime soon (at least for reasons the goblin would have prevented) they should just print a paper name sticker goblin though
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Stickers are a problem in a way dungeons aren't, because if you steal an opponent's creature that ventures into the dungeon, you could just call a judge, or borrow your opponent's dungeon cards or something. The cards are technically just reminders, you could play without them if you had them memorized. Stickers, you need to own the sheets, and randomize them and present your sticker deck and they have a bunch of other rules.
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LGD posted:it always sucks extremely to have your deck blown up but the resticted part of the sol land manabase isn't losing its value/playability in Legacy anytime soon (at least for reasons the goblin would have prevented) While that is true, the difference between goblins and the other sol decks is a big difference in playstyle. I can say that a person that would drive someone to play goblins is a good chance to maybe not drive them to play the other kind of decks. I can't highlight enough that goblins as a legacy deck has had a cult following for as long as legacy has been a format. Its a very special case. Sickening fucked around with this message at 19:00 on May 14, 2024 |
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A Moose posted:Stickers are a problem in a way dungeons aren't, because if you steal an opponent's creature that ventures into the dungeon, you could just call a judge, or borrow your opponent's dungeon cards or something. The cards are technically just reminders, you could play without them if you had them memorized. it also could have just been a part of the companion app! We can't have nice things.
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Wasn't gobbos pre mind goblin just a regular stompy deck?
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ilmucche posted:Wasn't gobbos pre mind goblin just a regular stompy deck? Yes. I feel like its still just a stompy deck with mind goblin, just faster goblins.
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Sickening posted:it also could have just been a part of the companion app! We can't have nice things. it probably is somewhere on there, its just a pain to find
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AcidCat posted:Man, I really just exist in my own little Magic backwater, I've never even seen or heard of these sticker cards. Patrick Sullivan is that you????  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Go3yByhL8&t=2668s Mind Goblin will have an eternal pass from me just because it broke Patrick's brain, and Cedric was just drawing a complete blank the whole time. Jiro fucked around with this message at 21:20 on May 14, 2024 |
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Jiro posted:Patrick Sullivan is that you???? Patrick's incredulity and outright contempt is so loving funny.
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     also gavin wants to know if you think they should ban artifact lands from pauper (optionally the bridges) https://twitter.com/GavinVerhey/status/1790782067615449268
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No idea where "Pauper people love artifacts lands" comes from, they've always just been the lands that go in the artifact decks because they're synergistic. That sounds like something someone made up to talk themselves out banning artifact lands, Seat of the Synod ain't Brainstorm, no one thinks it's a staple.
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Cactrot posted:No idea where "Pauper people love artifacts lands" comes from, they've always just been the lands that go in the artifact decks because they're synergistic. That sounds like something someone made up to talk themselves out banning artifact lands, Seat of the Synod ain't Brainstorm, no one thinks it's a staple.
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Boco_T posted:I quoted that post to reply to him that Tron has needed to be banned for a decade so I have no opinion on other Pauper bans until that happens Tron is ~2% of the Pauper meta these days.
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Boco_T posted:I quoted that post to reply to him that Tron has needed to be banned for a decade so I have no opinion on other Pauper bans until that happens Tron has been quite firmly powercrept out of the format as it has gotten much faster.
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Boco_T posted:I quoted that post to reply to him that Tron has needed to be banned for a decade so I have no opinion on other Pauper bans until that happens Tron isn't even good in pauper any more Glint Hawk needs to catch a ban imo
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https://x.com/jimtsf/status/1790743232055578853?s=46 Stickers are going to remain legal in EDH 🙏
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fadam posted:https://x.com/jimtsf/status/1790743232055578853?s=46 Should have stayed in legacy, but they're cowards
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To be fair, stickers should've always been permanent changes to the card. It was absurd to call them stickers when they barely stuck and were meant to be removed and in practice barely-cling to things you don't want. It was like they wanted to try the sacrilegious defacing a card as a mechanic and making it technically not-defaced, which is rad, but then couldn't do it and settled for something worse.
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do you realize how much of a trainwreck stickers persisting between games would be
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Khanstant posted:To be fair, stickers should've always been permanent changes to the card. It was absurd to call them stickers when they barely stuck and were meant to be removed and in practice barely-cling to things you don't want. Sounds like you want a legacy cube (not to be confused with a cube made of legacy cards)
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Khanstant posted:To be fair, stickers should've always been permanent changes to the card. It was absurd to call them stickers when they barely stuck and were meant to be removed and in practice barely-cling to things you don't want. I get what you're saying, but this would have been unenforceable in practice. You would cycle in ______ Goblins from game to game until the right sticker landed. "Oh yeah this Facetious Goblin came to be three months ago, in Canada. The opponent? You've never met them."
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 Straight up this would be life changing to open as a twelve year old.
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