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Sigma-X posted:Noah Bradley posted a big version on imgur/reddit: drat i saw the art before the card and i was really hoping this would be a mirari or analogue thereof
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Zoness posted:drat i saw the art before the card and i was really hoping this would be a mirari or analogue thereof If you think about it, it is pretty much the mirari. It gives you whatever you wish for, so long as what you wish for is 1 colored mana
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Sep 14, 2016 19:27
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We get it, you væpe. But seriously they're pushing this invention narrative a little too obviously.
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Sep 14, 2016 19:32
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:We get it, you væpe. I guess their narrative should have been more....inventive.
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Sep 14, 2016 19:34
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Sigma-X posted:Noah Bradley posted a big version on imgur/reddit: Free wallpaper!
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Sep 14, 2016 19:35
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Sigma-X posted:Noah Bradley posted a big version on imgur/reddit:  New desktop background! Also pauper affinity getting blinged out a bit more is nice.
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Sep 14, 2016 19:42
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Zoness posted:drat i saw the art before the card and i was really hoping this would be a mirari or analogue thereof Regardless of the century, plane, or species, developing artificers never fail to invent the mirari
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Sep 14, 2016 20:01
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I must not have been paying attention when Engineered Explosives went to $55. Sigma-X posted:Sometimes dredge mulls badly or casts a conflagrate to dump a single dredger and whiffs on the dredge? I've never seen a Modern Dredge deck that played Voice to begin with, probably because getting it Remanded sucks. (And yes you want your dredge cards in the GY, but the goal isn't just depositing them there and doing nothing.) Maybe getting three draws is enough upside to make it worth it? Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Sep 14, 2016 |
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Sep 14, 2016 20:08
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Guy just loves weaponcraft. I've never seen a Modern Dredge deck that played Voice to begin with, [/quote] 56% 2x Tormenting Voice Snacksmaniac fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Sep 14, 2016 |
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Sep 14, 2016 20:10
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I really want an enthusiast cycle and a card that interacts with them called Enthusiast Enthusiast.
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Sep 14, 2016 20:13
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Pros have meaningless argument because some pros friend didn't get into worlds: Paulo being too tone-deaf to realize he's making a semantic argument that makes him look obnoxious. FWIW I think BBD's argument at least has some merit anyways - he's saying that the performance of the "special invites" shows that basing invites purely on Pro Points isn't necessarily the be-all end-all of ensuring that Worlds players are the absolute best pool of players. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Sep 14, 2016 |
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Sep 14, 2016 20:43
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Wrt the midrange discussion, I don't think that moving most of the game toward (not all the way to) a single archetype ADDS anything. Midrange has been around, big creatures have been around, but beefing those things up to be the best things on Magic means losing whole archetypes in exchange for more variations on one in particular.
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Sep 14, 2016 20:44
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Angry Grimace posted:Paulo being too tone-deaf to realize he's making a semantic argument that makes him look obnoxious. FWIW I think BBD's argument at least has some merit anyways - he's saying that the performance of the "special invites" shows that basing invites purely on Pro Points isn't necessarily the be-all end-all of ensuring that Worlds players are the absolute best pool of players. I love the pros downplaying the significance of these invites. One went to the best performing GP player of the year, the other two went to people who were the best at a given format AT THE PRO TOUR. All three of those invites are difficult to achieve, just ask Tomoharu Saito.
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Sep 14, 2016 20:55
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You'd think they'd be talking about actual poo poo that matters. Like how sick the synergy of Smuggler's Copter in Norin the Wary EDH is.
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Sep 14, 2016 21:00
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Brownhat posted:I love the pros downplaying the significance of these invites. One went to the best performing GP player of the year, the other two went to people who were the best at a given format AT THE PRO TOUR. All three of those invites are difficult to achieve, just ask Tomoharu Saito. Brad Nelson posted:But Hayne in isn't better for the game. It just pushes entitlement. He could have worked harder. He's literally complaining that this guy didn't grind as much as him.
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Sep 14, 2016 21:02
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I think PV makes a reasonable point that's muddled in the language. BBD is trying to say that "I did well as the GP Master so this proves that GP Master is a valid spot" from a logical standpoint this statement is nonsense.
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Sep 14, 2016 21:05
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i think since he won whatever slot he occupied is pretty justified
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Sep 14, 2016 21:09
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Zoness posted:I think PV makes a reasonable point that's muddled in the language. But Ben Stark's original point was that basing it on Pro Points only is what would ensure the best field of players, which is questionable at best. In that sense I think BBD's retort that "well I won, didn't I?" makes at least some sense. The complaint looks really dumb when supported by a person who has a standing invite to every Pro Tour in perpetuity based on performances that happened literally a decade ago. (And yes I am aware PV is still on top of his game, but if he can argue semantics, it would seem to be fair game).
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Sep 14, 2016 21:10
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the issue is that BBD is an instance of a "GP master" who had what it took in terms of skill and luck to come out on top and make the field competitive this doesn't speak anything to the class of players that could be "GP Masters" as a whole.
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Sep 14, 2016 21:12
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Zoness posted:I think PV makes a reasonable point that's muddled in the language. How so? Logically speaking, the only sensical complaint about having "lesser" players at Worlds is that you get lower quality play from the people who got in that way. His win proves that is not the case. Being good at Grand Prixes is a different style of being good at magic same as winning the MTGO championship is. At a Grand Prix your more likely to run into rogue brews, have to play multiple formats, and the overall experience is expensive and exhaustive. MTGO you have to play at a lot faster pace. Here's a secret. Magic is a highly luck based game, and there's a reason it's called grinding (cause you can be on the best deck and make the optimum plays and still lose), so many pros get caught cheating, and there's an old boys network of friends who run things. Edit: Zoness posted:the issue is that BBD is an instance of a "GP master" who had what it took in terms of skill and luck to come out on top and make the field competitive Do we have data on how past GP Masters have done in Worlds?
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BBD doing well proves that BBD is a good player, not that anyone who spikes GPs can stand toe to toe at that level, which is what the slot means.anglachel posted:Do we have data on how past GP Masters have done in Worlds? No because it is a new slot and the debate is on the a priori virtues of having had such a slot, which, I think the format experiment and broadcast storyline reasons are good enough, but I can see some pros being dissatisfied with this. Zoness fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Sep 14, 2016 |
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Zoness posted:BBD doing well proves that BBD is a good player, not that anyone who spikes GPs can stand toe to toe at that level, which is what the slot means. sooooooooo we should keep the slot around and see what the data says, good idea zoness, guess we'll pick up this convo in 10 years
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All I read in that convo is Ben Stark looking like a loving dick.
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mandatory lesbian posted:sooooooooo we should keep the slot around and see what the data says, good idea zoness, guess we'll pick up this convo in 10 years well sure BBD's poor logic aside the slot is fine like MOCS champion slots in previous world champs by large did awfully, but that slot was good for making the MOCS actually worth something.
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Cernunnos posted:He's literally complaining that this guy didn't grind as much as him. He's telling the people complaining that if you want to make it to Worlds based on pro points, then get enough pro points to make it to worlds. Otherwise get over the fact that there are slots not based on pro points.
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Zoness posted:well sure BBD's poor logic aside the slot is fine no zoness, i wanted to get drunk and argue about this ultimately meaningless thing, dammit, stop agreeing with me
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Trying to reduce the argument to "logic" is the kind of shitlord nerd nonsense I'd expect from people who make the exceptionally poor decision to play Magic as a career. You could just as easily argue Hayne isn't deserving over BBD because he didn't win GP Master. Because its dumb to try and quantify how qualifying through any particular method is "more deserving" unless your argument has to do with field quality, in which case BBD has a valid point.
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Sep 14, 2016 21:39
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Angry Grimace posted:Trying to reduce the argument to "logic" is the kind of shitlord nerd nonsense I'd expect from people who make the exceptionally poor decision to play Magic as a career. You could just as easily argue Hayne isn't deserving over BBD because he didn't win GP Master. Because its dumb to try and quantify how qualifying through any particular method is "more deserving" unless your argument has to do with field quality, in which case BBD has a valid point. how does bbd (one instance of this) winning mean anyone who spikes gps deserves the slot and is definitely a player on caliber with everyone else, aside from wotc mandating it, which is fine "reduce to "logic""  anecdotal examples are exactly the worst kind of reasoning
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mandatory lesbian posted:sooooooooo we should keep the slot around and see what the data says, good idea zoness, guess we'll pick up this convo in 10 years They have already removed the GP Master invite for the next World Championship. http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/pro-tour-eldritch-moon-organized-play-announcement-world-championship-pro-tour-2016-08-02 The 24 invites will be given to: 4 Pro Tour Champions 1 Magic Online Champion 1 Standard Master 1 Draft Master 4 Regional Champions 13 Top-Ranked Players Applebees fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Sep 14, 2016 |
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Sep 14, 2016 21:46
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I like to argue about the pro tour while organizing a rare redraft of cards on the reserve list then I map some boxes and sell the rest of the packs on ebay. After I'm done I respond to a Mcmagic post.
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people are mad about ladies night and called it sexist??? lmao
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awesomebrah posted:After I'm done I respond to a Mcmagic post. This makes you the monster.
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Sep 14, 2016 21:54
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This card may get ridiculous. Especially at common.
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Zoness posted:how does bbd (one instance of this) winning mean anyone who spikes gps deserves the slot and is definitely a player on caliber with everyone else, aside from wotc mandating it, which is fine
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Sep 14, 2016 22:00
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the real problem is that these magic pros who are arguing "logic" are really arguing their feelings based on how this affects them personally, or their friends
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Sep 14, 2016 22:02
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 There are a fair number of Cheerios in Standard right now, as well as this bad boy:  Might be on to something...
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rabidsquid posted:people are mad about ladies night and called it sexist??? lmao It's about Ethics in Card Games Journalism.
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rabidsquid posted:people are mad about ladies night and called it sexist??? lmao link?
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Logicblade posted:
I count two outside of Kaladesh: Bone Saw, Cathar's Shield. Spidersilk Net will rotate out.
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Yeah I thought spidersilk net was sticking around. Maybe not quite a critical mass yet, but there are still some cheap artifacts laying around you can use, even if you can't quite wombo combo off. The Black puzzleknot draws a card on etb, the recently spoiled Foundry Inspector makes your artifacts one less to cast...
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