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Sickening posted:Its giving me the old Mycosynth Lattice combo vibes. The lock applies to both players though , but if you are already winning onboard and your opponent is playing any creature lands, you are doing pretty well. you both get locked, but karn can grab artifacts in exile so you'll be able to put any cards exiled by omen machine into your hand.. or at least once every 3 turns after you tick karn down to 1. but you can also use liquimetal coating to start bombing out their lands. so unless they have an answer in hand it's simply a matter of time.
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AlternateNu posted:You mean except all the masters sets its been reprinted in that already have foil prints? he's wrong in that it's actually 2 foil printings... but it's only ever been in 1 masters paper set: iconic masters.
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Strong Sauce posted:he's wrong in that it's actually 2 foil printings... but it's only ever been in 1 masters paper set: iconic masters. It was also in Modern Horizons 1.
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AlternateNu posted:It was also in Modern Horizons 1. it was as a buy-a-box promo that's non-foil. it's also not a masters set.
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Strong Sauce posted:you both get locked, but karn can grab artifacts in exile so you'll be able to put any cards exiled by omen machine into your hand.. or at least once every 3 turns after you tick karn down to 1. but you can also use liquimetal coating to start bombing out their lands. so unless they have an answer in hand it's simply a matter of time. you have to cast with omen machine, those artifacts wont be in exile they'll be in the graveyard
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Strong Sauce posted:he's wrong in that it's actually 2 foil printings... but it's only ever been in 1 masters paper set: iconic masters. oops, forgot about that one. those go for ~100 usd so my point still stands the judge promo is a judge promo and is at ~170 good value for whoever gets that topper
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A big flaming stink posted:you have to cast with omen machine, those artifacts wont be in exile they'll be in the graveyard ah i thought the cast was optional. well i guess play rest in peace and then it kinda works?
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The combo isn't particularly good because it doesn't stop your opponent from doing anything with cards they already have in hand. Lattice works because once you play the lattice then they can't play anything from their hand any more, and also can't use any on board activated abilities that could kill a lock piece.
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The biggest thing about Karn/Lattice was that it was a one card combo. You play karn, and it came with the lattice.
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It doesn’t solve hands or the board but the cost for the combo lock is so low I think it’s still super strong. You’re only giving up a sb slot, the rest of the cards you want to play anyway. Karn + Urza’s Saga + Freestrider Lookout + Relic of Progenitus is a hell of a core that already wants you to play at least one copy of Vexing Bauble to force decks to play the fair game. If it has the opportunity to just plain win in a lot of lower resource game states that seems like a powerful addition.
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I would have thought the combo costing 10 mana would be too much for the faster formats. What deck plays that?
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Aphrodite posted:I would have thought the combo costing 10 mana would be too much for the faster formats. What deck plays that? Karn decks already just play karn. The 6 cmc artifact would be a 1 of in the sideboard. The 1 cmc enabler is already a potentially maindeck playable card because it cycles and a ton of powerful staples don't cost mana in modern. Its not karn lattice, but it has potential and it only costs you a single sideboard slot or maybe 2. If I had any doubts that it wouldn't be good is because it would be that the card isn't completely bought out when its like 50 cents.
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Okay hear me out: What if we put this in Lantern Control
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Interesting interview with Garfield and brief retrospective on his work and life, and the origins of Magic. I can absolutely believe Hasbro was stupid enough to chase Garfield out after he offered to make a 'good, instead' online computer version of Magic, plus barred him from working on any game ideas besides Magic. Toy company executives have got to be some of the most cynical, myopic, and joyless people around. https://defector.com/the-creator-of-magic-the-gathering-knows-exactly-where-it-all-went-wrong quote:After meeting with Adkison, Garfield went for a hike near Multnomah Falls, a 500-foot column of water pouring through the Pacific rainforest close to his childhood home in Portland. There a new idea washed over him: What if the variety and craziness in a card game didn’t have to come from the same deck of cards? What if you could choose which cards you put in your deck—or choose which pieces you used when playing any game for that matter, like chess? And what if, when you were bored with what you had, you could buy new game pieces from the store? quote:“I started whooping and hollering and yelling, because I knew at that moment that we had an idea that would add a whole new dimension to gaming, and if executed properly, would make us millions,” wrote Adkison on Usenet about the moment Garfield told him this idea. quote:When Garfield first began working on the game, one concern replayed through his mind: If every card had wildly different effects, why would anyone ever want to play with ones that were obviously weaker? What would prevent some rich kid from simply buying 10 sets of the game and creating an unbeatable deck? The title lead me to believe the article might go in-depth on all the things Garfield thought was wrong with today's magic, but there's not much dedicated to it, but what is there is obvious what the problem is and basically always has been, with the balance now fully tipped and pouring like an avalanche on one end. quote:“You know what that is?” Everingham remembered the sales rep asking. “That’s our prison. We send all the flattened Magic packaging and booster packs to the prison and the inmates do the product fulfillment.”
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Vexing Bauble seems like it's on the fast track to the restricted list. Won't be as warping in legacy but should do some damage there as well.
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Aphrodite posted:I would have thought the combo costing 10 mana would be too much for the faster formats. What deck plays that? The decks that play Karn in faster formats cheat out mana: tron, coffers, devotion etc. They already play a handful of expensive situational wish targets SB. Tom Clancy is Dead fucked around with this message at 18:59 on May 20, 2024 |
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Khanstant posted:Interesting interview with Garfield and brief retrospective on his work and life, and the origins of Magic. I can absolutely believe Hasbro was stupid enough to chase Garfield out after he offered to make a 'good, instead' online computer version of Magic, plus barred him from working on any game ideas besides Magic. Toy company executives have got to be some of the most cynical, myopic, and joyless people around. Sounds like the same kind of logic from executives at movie companies that decide not to release a movie to get a tax write-off and no, they won't sell the movie rights for a greater sum of money than the tax write-off because it would be embarrassing if the people that bought the movie ended up making more money than them.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:The decks that play Karn in faster formats cheat out mana: tron, coffers, devotion etc. They already play a handful of expensive situational wish targets SB. Yeah. Spike just put out a 5-0/10-0 league with b/g coffers using Freestrider Lookout and Pillage the Bog. Karn did so much work for him, was really cool to watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpdbFHNfMFc Decklist: 1 Forest 4 Swamp 4 Fatal Push 4 Mishra's Bauble 4 Cabal Coffers 4 Relic of Progenitus 4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth 1 Overgrown Tomb 4 Marsh Flats 4 Verdant Catacombs 4 Karn, the Great Creator 4 Thoughtseize 4 March of Wretched Sorrow 3 The One Ring 3 Underground Mortuary 4 Freestrider Lookout 4 Pillage the Bog SIDEBOARD 1 Pithing Needle 1 Liquimetal Coating 1 Engineered Explosives 1 Nihil Spellbomb 1 Sundering Titan 1 Ensnaring Bridge 1 Jegantha, the Wellspring 1 The Stone Brain 1 Cityscape Leveler 1 Haywire Mite 1 The One Ring 1 Tithing Blade // Consuming Sepulcher 3 Pick Your Poison
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https://x.com/SaffronOlive/status/1792661046056091703 Times are rough at WOTC hq. Is a playset really 200$? 
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You can just craft em though, this is only gonna hurt for people who don't actually play that often. Also no, a playset of every enemy fetchland is $40, I don't know where you got $200 from.
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Oh no wonder it's Saffron Olive, guy who totally doesn't have an axe to grind about MTGA He cropped the image to make you think that you have to buy it multiple times, here's the actual image  So it's about 2k gold per Fetchland, which is equal to opening 2 packs. Basically trading in 2 random rares for one guaranteed good card.
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Eej posted:Oh no wonder it's Saffron Olive, guy who totally doesn't have an axe to grind about MTGA does he? he seems like he makes a lot of content on it
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And even if you do straight "one thing in the shop for another" math, the $100 gem pack has you spending $40 of the gems on the lands, and if you instead bought 20 rare wildcards, you'd spend $50 because 4 rare wildcards costs $10. It's fine, it's in line with the existing economy. Almost zero people who care are going to do anything other than craft the lands they need with their rare wildcards. Most people aren't going to need Arid Mesa AND Misty Rainforest on day one. Especially if you already have the Khans ones.
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ilmucche posted:does he? he seems like he makes a lot of content on it Woops I might be conflating him with the other guy who got mad about getting his spot "stolen" by a woman
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also most of the anthologies cards were bad/commons
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Eej posted:Woops I might be conflating him with the other guy who got mad about getting his spot "stolen" by a woman Now I want to know who
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Sickening posted:https://x.com/SaffronOlive/status/1792661046056091703 200 bucks? You can get 4wc for ten can't you?
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HootTheOwl posted:Now I want to know who iirc it was jeff hoogland, though i think it was less directly complaining about 'women taking his spot' and more that he went on a rant about not being invited to a thing and managing to only name women in all his examples until called out on it
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idk, I also think it's lovely. At least Special Guest and the Remastered sets encourage you to *play the game* to get the pieces. Tangentially, sure you could buy these with gold, or craft em', but it's priced high enough that only a sliver of people are going to do that.
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flatluigi posted:iirc it was jeff hoogland, though i think it was less directly complaining about 'women taking his spot' and more that he went on a rant about not being invited to a thing and managing to only name women in all his examples until called out on it Yeah hoogland is the first name that came to my mind as well. Can't remember specifics though
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Yeah I was thinking of old BoohooglandCatstropheWaitress posted:idk, I also think it's lovely. At least Special Guest and the Remastered sets encourage you to *play the game* to get the pieces. Tangentially, sure you could buy these with gold, or craft em', but it's priced high enough that only a sliver of people are going to do that. I dunno, this is purely for constructed Timeless which is already a smaller slice of MTGA. Allied fetches are in MH3 but enemy ones aren't so they bundled them into an expensive bundle and also made them craftable. You could argue that they could be cheaper but I don't think it's really that lovely.
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so the bundle is a 'better deal' than buying the rare wildcards directly -- $50 gets you 5x of the 4 rare wildcard bundle or 9.2k gems, which leaves you with 1.2k gems surplus after getting the bundle -- but because it's funny money you can't actually just buy the 8k gems and save the actual dollars. i'd put it firmly in the same category as the wildcard bundles themselves, which is that they're meant to just be for people who 'need' to make constructed decks and don't want to bother with playing limited/buying packs.CatstropheWaitress posted:idk, I also think it's lovely. At least Special Guest and the Remastered sets encourage you to *play the game* to get the pieces. Tangentially, sure you could buy these with gold, or craft em', but it's priced high enough that only a sliver of people are going to do that. the fetchlands are in the mh3 set proper, so you should be able to pick up the fetchlands when you play modern horizons 3 limited (or just buying mh3 packs directly). i'd recommend just doing that and crafting the ones you need as you go edit: oops did i get that wrong entirely edit2: yeah i'm a dumbass, the bundle is the enemy fetchlands and mh3 has the ally fetchlands, which are already on arena. guess you're spending that money lmao flatluigi fucked around with this message at 23:39 on May 20, 2024 |
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Fetchlands are only playable in timeless and brawl so it is a pretty heinous mark up not matter how you cut it
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They'll be in whatever form of 4p commander that's coming to arena too They've been kinda dropping hints to it coming with that alchemy card that refers to the player to your right, and having to manually click a target with cards that say Target Opponent, when for the longest time they auto targeted your opponent
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Even if you're both a die-hard Timeless player and a die-hard Brawl player, I don't see you realistically needing to spend more than, idk, 11 wildcards on these fetchlands. 40 current-set packs gives you probably 11 rare/mythic wildcards, in addition to also opening a whole bunch of cards
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kung fu jive posted:Are they setting the stage to bring modern to arena? modern horizons 3 is literally coming to arena, and they implemented a format called timeless explicitly so that the most powerful cards on arena can hang out. it's already got channel, natural order, mana drain, reanimate, and show and tell
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flatluigi posted:modern horizons 3 is literally coming to arena, and they implemented a format called timeless explicitly so that the most powerful cards on arena can hang out. it's already got channel, natural order, mana drain, reanimate, and show and tell and it owns (other than being an insane buy-in)
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Jabor posted:Magic: the Gathering: it owns (other than being an insane buy-in)
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kung fu jive posted:Are they setting the stage to bring modern to arena? As much as it'd rule, they're still so far away from that. Modern now has more sets than the whole game had when the format was invented.
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