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Someone else asked a page ago, but what is the general gist of the FREEDOM Act? Is it basically just the same thing as the PATRIOT Act, except with one or two things tweaked, or does it actually have any meaningful reforms/less 1984-ness than the PATRIOT Act?
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SgtScruffy posted:Someone else asked a page ago, but what is the general gist of the FREEDOM Act? Is it basically just the same thing as the PATRIOT Act, except with one or two things tweaked, or does it actually have any meaningful reforms/less 1984-ness than the PATRIOT Act? The main gist is that it would require telecom companies to store all metadata for a certain amount of time so they can turn it over to the government when a court approves it, rather than the government mass collecting it and getting a rubber stamp to search what they already have on NSA servers.
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Jun 1, 2015 03:24
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Internet Webguy posted:The main gist is that it would require telecom companies to store all metadata for a certain amount of time so they can turn it over to the government when a court approves it, rather than the government mass collecting it and getting a rubber stamp to search what they already have on NSA servers.
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Jun 1, 2015 03:32
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Grouchio posted:What kind of difference does that make!? It's still rather Big brotherish imo. The telecoms basically already do this, just for marketing and operations purposes. Now instead of any NSA smuck who wants to stalk their ex being able to do so by searching a database, they'd have to make a request with AT&T and create a paper trail. Also makes it way harder to "accidentally" spy on Americans then pass said info to the DEA.
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Jun 1, 2015 03:35
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Grouchio posted:What kind of difference does that make!? It's still rather Big brotherish imo. Honestly, not much, which is why most people opposed to 215 still don't like the freedom act. Basically the fight between people who want the program unchanged and people who think support for the slightly more watered down freedom act will help them get reelected are at odds so until they make a compromise the whole thing is expiring.
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Jun 1, 2015 03:37
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Internet Webguy posted:Honestly, not much, which is why most people opposed to 215 still don't like the freedom act. Basically the fight between people who want the program unchanged and people who think support for the slightly more watered down freedom act will help them get reelected are at odds so until they make a compromise the whole thing is expiring.
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Jun 1, 2015 03:39
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This is going to end horribly and get cancelled when one of the show's guilt trips causes someone to attempt suicide.
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Jun 1, 2015 03:42
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Trabisnikof posted:Also makes it way harder to "accidentally" spy on Americans then pass said info to the DEA. If I remember right, the DEA programs are separate from the NSA ones, which is mostly why there is suspicion that just because this isn't legal on paper anymore doesn't guarantee that it won't still be happening. Pretty sure the FBI has similar programs, not to mention the CIA, but it's legal to spy on foreign entities and I doubt the freedom act will change any of that.
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Jun 1, 2015 03:42
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Trabisnikof posted:The telecoms basically already do this, just for marketing and operations purposes. Now instead of any NSA smuck who wants to stalk their ex being able to do so by searching a database, they'd have to make a request with AT&T and create a paper trail. It's cute that you think there will be a paper trail, and that the agent would only request info on the person they're after instead of huge blocks of people at once. And no, it doesn't, especially since courts are likely to rubber stamp poo poo in the first place.
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Jun 1, 2015 03:47
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Tengames posted:This is going to end horribly and get cancelled when one of the show's guilt trips causes someone to attempt suicide. Are you kidding, that'd be their highest rated show ever. Can you imagine them doing the ads and press for this? You'd have "Next week: On a Very Serious And Special Episode Of..." teasers, a guest-spot on whatever feel-good-afternoon-smarm CBS is airing the day of the episode; and the whole thing presented "With Limited Commercial Interruption By Cadilac: Who understand the True Pains Of Americans." and they'd give the poor bastard who tried to snuff themselves a new Microsoft SurfacePro 3, with a year's subscription to Hulu, to help pass the time while they recovered from the self-inflicted gunshot-wound, in the hospital, as part of the show.
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Jun 1, 2015 04:17
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Bassetking posted:Are you kidding, that'd be their highest rated show ever. That's how Extreme Makeover got cancelled.
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Jun 1, 2015 04:23
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Yoshifan823 posted:This is worse than Duck Dynasty and Keeping up with the Kardashians combined. Right at the top of my poo poo list, alongside Undercover Boss and Mystery Diners and its ilk. Ugh. Mystery Diners did an episode at a place I was working a couple years ago and I've been too embarrassed to actually watch it.
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Jun 1, 2015 04:27
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Republicans posted:Ugh. Mystery Diners did an episode at a place I was working a couple years ago and I've been too embarrassed to actually watch it. I had to look up Mystery Diners since I'd never heard of it and I still don't fully understand it. Is the show really just some restaurant employer saying "hey, come spy on my employees and rat them out anytime they misbehave so I can fire them" or am I missing some crucial aspect?
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Jun 1, 2015 04:51
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InequalityGodzilla posted:I had to look up Mystery Diners since I'd never heard of it and I still don't fully understand it. Is the show really just some restaurant employer saying "hey, come spy on my employees and rat them out anytime they misbehave so I can fire them" or am I missing some crucial aspect? No that's it, it's literally Snitchin The TV Show, and it included such offenses as 'on their break, away from the customers, complained to another worker about their job' and poo poo.
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Jun 1, 2015 04:58
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InequalityGodzilla posted:I had to look up Mystery Diners since I'd never heard of it and I still don't fully understand it. Is the show really just some restaurant employer saying "hey, come spy on my employees and rat them out anytime they misbehave so I can fire them" or am I missing some crucial aspect? No, the producers solicit restaurants to let them do an episode at their location. They shoot some footage of real employees making food for establishment purposes but the meat of an episode is all made up and performed by actors. Tatum Girlparts posted:No that's it, it's literally Snitchin The TV Show, and it included such offenses as 'on their break, away from the customers, complained to another worker about their job' and poo poo. If that's what's been bothering you about the show, don't worry about it for reasons I just covered.
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Jun 1, 2015 05:01
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Republicans posted:No, the producers solicit restaurants to let them do an episode at their location. They shoot some footage of real employees making food for establishment purposes but the meat of an episode is all made up and performed by actors. I'd argue it's still pretty lovely in the cultural sense to have a show where 'HOW CAN I FIRE AND PUNISH MY EMPLOYEES AS SWIFTLY AS POSSIBLE' is the goal.
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Jun 1, 2015 05:16
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InequalityGodzilla posted:I had to look up Mystery Diners since I'd never heard of it and I still don't fully understand it. Is the show really just some restaurant employer saying "hey, come spy on my employees and rat them out anytime they misbehave so I can fire them" or am I missing some crucial aspect? It's an attempt to further dehumanize restaurant workers by showing how terrible they can be, and how they can steal from honest, hard working business owners and break all sorts of laws and act like shitheads. Never mind that the incidents are entirely made up and those people aren't actual food service employees, just actors getting paid poo poo to sell out their own (because let's be honest, any actor is one bad job away from food service) by rich fuckers who I would be willing to be have money tied up in the restaurant industry.
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Jun 1, 2015 06:31
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I think the gist I am getting here is we need to round up all the reality show producers and put bomb collars on their necks, stick them on a island with medieval weapons and then film it while telling them they volonteer one of their own who they can all murder, every 7 days with a secret rule where if they all agreed this was stupid they could live.
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Jun 1, 2015 07:14
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Cythereal posted:I'm surprised we haven't had a major political figure outright call public education socialism. It's not exactly a "major" political figure, but in 2011, Texas State Rep. Debbie Riddle was pretty candid: "Where did this idea come from that everybody deserves free education, free medical care, free whatever? It comes from Moscow, from Russia. It comes straight out of the pit of hell."
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Jun 1, 2015 07:33
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Put that and any footage thereof in the OP.
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Jun 1, 2015 07:47
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June thread is here.
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